Iraq War

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Good solution. Abolish all militaries, lets ask iran and north korea to go first.
Donate heh?, U.N. military. Now theres and effective force, just ask all the women and children saddam had gassed over 20+ years.
75% of the defense budget to education because moneys the answer to learning, healthcare(free doctors), fighting poverty( free money), environmental cleanup, I didnt know it was dirty.
And ask the U.N. (aka france and Germany) for permission to defend our country.
Nuclear weapons Illegal for every country with ultimate government replacement for not complying?.Relacement by whom?It'll never come to that though, We'll just say pretty please and they'll pack their nuclear weapons and go.
Or why dont we just stick flowers in the muzzles of theyre AK47s, that oughta do the trick.
 
Maybe we'd feel better if we handed over control of our troops to the U.N.> And while we're at it let's let the blue helmets come into the U.S. to protect us from terrorists.
 
Good solution. Abolish all militaries, lets ask iran and north korea to go first.
Donate heh?, U.N. military. Now theres and effective force, just ask all the women and children saddam had gassed over 20+ years.
75% of the defense budget to education because moneys the answer to learning, healthcare(free doctors), fighting poverty( free money), environmental cleanup, I didnt know it was dirty.
And ask the U.N. (aka france and Germany) for permission to defend our country.
Nuclear weapons Illegal for every country with ultimate government replacement for not complying?.Relacement by whom?It'll never come to that though, We'll just say pretty please and they'll pack their nuclear weapons and go.
Or why dont we just stick flowers in the muzzles of theyre AK47s, that oughta do the trick.

Afraid that North Corean Troops could invade the U.S. ? That's ridiculous...
Attacking another Country that has not attacked before ( or even intended to do so ) is not defending your Country. It's an attack war! The U.S.A. were not threatened at all by Iraq. Free Doctors would be a good Idea as about 40 Million U.S. Americans have no Health Insurance... No one asks for free money, but a job that pays the rent for everyone would be nice... So you think our planet is fine as it is? Just wait 50 years and see what mankind has done (and is doing) to it... There are international Laws,you know. But they can only work if every Country obeys them. If not they're useless. Yes my Country and France opted against an illegal Attack war on Iraq, and rightly so. Again: That was NOT self defense!

Everyone means every one. And who has the most nukes? Not "they" (whoever you're referring to) but The United States of America!

Ps: Who gave the weapons to Saddam Hussein?
 
Afraid that North Corean Troops could invade the U.S. ? That's ridiculous...
Attacking another Country that has not attacked before ( or even intended to do so ) is not defending your Country. It's an attack war! The U.S.A. were not threatened at all by Iraq.

We weren't threatened by an invasion of the Nazis in Germany either.
The odds of any country ever invading the US by conventional warfare methods is very unlikely.
That doesn't mean there isn't a threat. There are plenty of ways to inflict harm/damage against us and our allied without an enemy ever leaving their home soil.
Then there's the fact that, even though our interests are in part selfish/self-serving we are making great efforts to help a country that was in serious need of help. Nobody else was willing to step up to the plate so it ended up being us. Once that country is stabilized you will no doubt see a lot of other countries trying to reap the benefits there.
The notion that we made things worse there... worse than what? People are dying in greater numbers but not because of a tyrant, because there are people that would rather see that country in a complete state of chaos.
 
What if the war was to liberate the people in Iraq in order for them to be able to look at porn? Then would it be more palatable?

Everything is more palatable with porn. Just put Chelsea Charms in a camouflage 2-piece and we automatically win. :2 cents:
 
We weren't threatened by an invasion of the Nazis in Germany either.
The odds of any country ever invading the US by conventional warfare methods is very unlikely.
That doesn't mean there isn't a threat. There are plenty of ways to inflict harm/damage against us and our allied without an enemy ever leaving their home soil.
Then there's the fact that, even though our interests are in part selfish/self-serving we are making great efforts to help a country that was in serious need of help. Nobody else was willing to step up to the plate so it ended up being us. Once that country is stabilized you will no doubt see a lot of other countries trying to reap the benefits there.
The notion that we made things worse there... worse than what? People are dying in greater numbers but not because of a tyrant, because there are people that would rather see that country in a complete state of chaos.

After Pearl Harbor Hitler declared war on the U.S.A. ...

Is there a Threat ? Yes, there is. But Terrorists are not Nations - I don't think any Nation in the last 20 years has even thought of attacking the U.S. International Laws say it's illegal to start a war - whatever the reason! You're very optimistic thinking that Iraq will be stabilized... I don't see that coming. I think the Iraq war has destabilized the whole Middle-East and probably spawned a new generation of Terrorists.

If things don't change dramatically in the near Future there might be a Civil War which could really bring Chaos...


It's good Saddam is gone, but the United States should have done it after the first Gulf War, when the Schiites were ready to stand up against him. But instead they were left alone and many were killed.:(
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Intelligent opposition to the situation in Iraq, cool.
its true Germany declared war on the U.S.4 days after pearl harbor.
It may be true that Iraq may never be able to have a functioning non dictatorship/totalitarian government that is not a threat to everybody near and far. Nobody knows at this point in time. I think the people of Iraq and anybody who wants peace in the world want that.
And your saying that taking out saddam and staying in iraq long enough for the country to be able to defend itself is actually promoting or provoking terrorism?.....spawning new terrorists?...what can be done to prevent that? surrender? i dont know how to avoid that.
Its your last paragraph wolf that bothers me though. Its implying that its the U.S's fault that saddam continued to kill his own people after the gulf war.
If I recall the agreement with the United Nations was that the coalition forces were to only remove Saddam from Kuwait and cut out, which is what they did. So maybe the blame is partly on the U.N. Buts its really only on Saddam himself.
 
staying in iraq long enough for the country to be able to defend itself is actually promoting or provoking terrorism?.....spawning new terrorists?...what can be done to prevent that? surrender? i dont know how to avoid that.

There is only one way, but I don't think DoD has access to a time traveling Delorian at the moment so we have to deal with what we have. Leaving would only make things exponentially worse, but not only pissing off Iraq (they already blame us for cutting out to early in DS1) but putting a big bullseye on the US for future terrorist attack with the preconception that we will just take it.
 
I've been hearing it compared to Vietnam. Just as bad if not worse that that war...and like that war...we'll never win :mad:


I think that you will lose this one too. But then again, I've never heard Bush formulate any war aims, so maybe you can define your way to victory. :1orglaugh

In the end it all boils down to that you are not prepared to do what it takes, namely massive retaliation against the civilian population whenever they allow an attack to take place without notifying you. Seriously, how many think that you can set up an IED and prepare an ambush in downtown Bhagdad without being spotted by the civilians? And yet, they choose to keep quiet and let US forces walk straight into the fire.

Modern warfare is all about securing the political control over the civilian population. As long as you do not have that, you are losing the war. All you are doing it to give your enemies something to shoot at.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
this is starting to sound like whos on first, who, i dont know, i dont knows on third,whos on first.thats what im trying to find out.
 

Philbert

Banned
this is starting to sound like whos on first, who, i dont know, i dont knows on third,whos on first.thats what im trying to find out.

Actually, I find the classic routine by Abbott and Costello (Who's on first?) to be a perfect example of Middle Eastern politics, for "outsiders".
If one was to actually read my link, and then listen to Abbott and Costello do their thing...the perfect similarity would be amazing!:D


http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1255

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IEaKjRyPjVY
 
Intelligent opposition to the situation in Iraq, cool.
its true Germany declared war on the U.S.4 days after pearl harbor.
It may be true that Iraq may never be able to have a functioning non dictatorship/totalitarian government that is not a threat to everybody near and far. Nobody knows at this point in time. I think the people of Iraq and anybody who wants peace in the world want that.
And your saying that taking out saddam and staying in iraq long enough for the country to be able to defend itself is actually promoting or provoking terrorism?.....spawning new terrorists?...what can be done to prevent that? surrender? i dont know how to avoid that.
Its your last paragraph wolf that bothers me though. Its implying that its the U.S's fault that saddam continued to kill his own people after the gulf war.
If I recall the agreement with the United Nations was that the coalition forces were to only remove Saddam from Kuwait and cut out, which is what they did. So maybe the blame is partly on the U.N. Buts its really only on Saddam himself.


I think many in the Arab World feel mistreated or even attacked by the United States - especially if the U.S.A. attack Arab Countries without the cover of international laws. They feel like the "West" has no Respect for them and their Religion. So some of them (especially Palaestinians who feel they've got nothing to loose) want to "show those non-believers" and become Terrorists. And the Iraq War has probably doubled the number of people who are willing to blow themselves up...I personally think that not only the War on Iraq, but also the attack on Afghanistan were illegal.

A Solution to the Israel/Palaetine Problem is the Key. If that could be done a lot of young Arabs would not listen to People who call for the extinction of Israel and their Allies.

President George Bush Sr. had agreed to back the Schiites with Supplies and weapons - but later the U.S. opted out and the Rebels had no chance.
 
I'm more inclined to believe Israel/Palestine was the key. Things may very well have gone too far for that by now. It should've been resolved decades ago.
 
I'm more inclined to believe Israel/Palestine was the key. Things may very well have gone too far for that by now. It should've been resolved decades ago.

True enough, but that is the only hope I have left...
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
yes but we didnt "attack" to take their land or there freedom. It was to give it back to them if anything, plus remove a threat to us(the U.S.).
Otherwise ,Excellent points wolf, I understand and agree.
 
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