Iraeli attacks justified?

[Facetious]

How does that work?

Hezbollah in particular has a long history of conducting this type of visual effect warfare. Take for example, Hamas or Hezbollah begin launching an assortment of mobile missiles at Israel from site "A" - You can damn well be sure that site "A" is also a home or encampment to a mass number of civilians. You see, or maybe you don't, in this culture, civilians are used as human shields. Wherever a rocket is launched, point "A" in this case, Israeli armed forces have the ability to strike back, with near pinpoint accuracy, at the exact point "A".

In any other civilized culture, the "civies" are no where near the point of where defensive or offensive military hardware is activated. It's not Israels fault if their aggressor decides to infuse their civilian population in with their mobile rocket launching hardware. I mean, what are you gonna do ? continue to take it up the ass day after day after day ?
Again, I have no dog in the hunt, it's just that Israel is a sovereign nation and I would expect no less from them.

 

[Dawn]

Why are the Palestinians launching rockets into Israel from the Gaza strip? Oh, that's right ... Israel GAVE it to them as a gesture of peace. Yeah, that worked out well.

The Palestinians could work together to try to better their lives ... but they don't. It's better that they fill their lives full of hatred and try to kill as many Jews as possible.

Other Muslim countries could lift the Palestinians out of poverty with the stroke of a pen with 0.01% of their oil revenue ... but, nah ... better to leave them miserable and angry so they'll kill more Jews.

The Palestinian's number #1 source of aid used to be (and still is, I believe) the United States.

And yet they cheered in the streets on September 11, 2001.

Wish it was 2,000 dead Palestinians. They only live for death ... the sooner it comes to them, the better

I already commented your argumentation here.

 

[assholebythedoor]

this thread Mostly only stirrs up hate.

 

[georges]

Ok, let me chime in with my two cents. Since 1948 Israel has been constantly harassed and attacked by its Arab neighbours. In their first against the Arabs in 1956, the Israelis won. In 1967 during the six days war, the Israeli pilots flying the Nesher a modified Mirage III by IAI was destroying almost the entire aviation of the Syrian airforce and the Super Mystere were destroying tanks. In 1973 during the Yom Kippour War, Israel showed again its dominance in the air with the Nesher and with its highly experienced troops, the Sayeret Mektal.
In 1982, Israel went in War against Lebanon. In 1997, operation grapes of wrath happened for killing the highest leaders of the PLO. Israel suffered during its whole existence by suicide bombings threats from countries like Iran or Irak. Diplomacy is not always working with radical islamists and djihadists, give them an inch and they will take a mile.

 

[georges]

Jews killing muslims and vice versa.. win/win?

haven't you got something more clever to say? :wtf:Think before you speak, thank you

 

[LBP 76]

Wish it was 2,000 dead Palestinians. They only live for death ... the sooner it comes to them, the better

You call them animals in another thread. Now you literally wish them dead in this thread.

Man, what a complete waste of space you appear to be Voyeur De Jour.

 

[Spleen]

Keep it up until they are all dead then none of us need to worry.

Oh, did I cross the line? Boohoo.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Reading some of these posts it sounds like the only solution would be to NUKE everybody.
That's the inevitable outcome of continued cycles of violence and demonization of whole groups of peoples.Eye for an eye as they say will eventually lead everyone to be blind or in the modern world, dead.
Neitheir side is some sort of demonic thing or animals,they are all humans in the great tradition of humans and humanity or a lack there of.

 

[Spleen]

Reading some of these posts it sounds like the only solution would be to NUKE everybody.

I dunno if that would be the best solution. What about all the animals who havent taken their lives for granted? They still deserve to be here.

I think the best solution would be for all humans to hang themselves.

 

[Dawn]

Since 1948 Israel has been constantly harassed and attacked by its Arab neighbours.

Everything you written is true, georges.

But, as far as i know, the pre-1948 events should be taken into consideration to understand the big picture. The pre-1948 decisions that build the setting in which all this mess is happening. I copy/pasted the wikipedia resume in the other thread but i'm sure you are already aware of the whole story.

When we start the history of the conflict with the creation of Israel, we are leaving aside where the arab motives comes from.

Of course, zealots are zealots, fanatics are fanatics. They use the conflict for their agenda - and the opposite faction, use those zealots agenda to justify their own.

The conflict is larger than this. The irreversibles mistakes which happened prior to 1948 were not of arab or semitic nature... even if, nowadays, its an arab-jewish conflict. :2 cents:

 

[Voyeur De Jour]

"You call them animals in another thread. Now you literally wish them dead in this thread. Man, what a complete waste of space you appear to be Voyeur De Jour."

Yes, I am a terrible person. :uohs: All those murdering extremists taken out in the prime of their lives.

Actually, I didn't make the Palestinians act like animals ... their actions speak for themselves (loudly and unequivocally). All I did was (properly) label them. You could, I suppose use another label like 'savages' or 'uncivilized people.' Not sure it matters as we are still talking about people who cannot govern themselves and spend an inordinate amount of time and energy strapping explosives to themselves, their wives and even children.

I'd be perfectly happy if all concerned could just behave themselves and learn to live in peace with their neighbors they aren't particularly fond of. Problem is, Hamas only exists to cause death. :ak47:

No matter how many olive branches Israel extends to their fanatical neighbors, those branches are sharpened and sent back as spears. Then people around the world say that BOTH sides are at fault.

There are probably thousands of people on death row all over the United States. Is it wrong to wish their sentences are carried out too?

 

[Facetious]

Some of the fondest memories that I have of my late father were times in front of the TV set and when Yasser Arafat's mug came onto the screen, which would often be the case on late afternoons, my papa would make a face like a cross eyed crazy whilst making the sign of the devil with his hand as he said "bad guy". I'd intervene and say "smiling" or "happy bad guy" and dad would explain that, every time Arafat wanted money, he acts up . . . and sure enough, whether it was Jimmah Carter, Reagan, Bush # 41 . . . whoever, Arafat would somehow get his loot and everything would be peaceful . . . until the next time.

 

[Friday on my mind]

"You call them animals in another thread. Now you literally wish them dead in this thread. Man, what a complete waste of space you appear to be Voyeur De Jour."

Yes, I am a terrible person. :uohs: All those murdering extremists taken out in the prime of their lives.

Actually, I didn't make the Palestinians act like animals ... their actions speak for themselves (loudly and unequivocally). All I did was (properly) label them. You could, I suppose use another label like 'savages' or 'uncivilized people.' Not sure it matters as we are still talking about people who cannot govern themselves and spend an inordinate amount of time and energy strapping explosives to themselves, their wives and even children.

I'd be perfectly happy if all concerned could just behave themselves and learn to live in peace with their neighbors they aren't particularly fond of. Problem is, Hamas only exists to cause death. :ak47:

No matter how many olive branches Israel extends to their fanatical neighbors, those branches are sharpened and sent back as spears. Then people around the world say that BOTH sides are at fault.

There are probably thousands of people on death row all over the United States. Is it wrong to wish their sentences are carried out too?

Yes its wrong to wish that all the people on death row are executed given how many have been proven innocent and released.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/

And I think its almost funny to say how barbaric one group of people is compared to another.Were muslims responsible for all the carnage and world wars in the last century? And who is the country in the world with the most weapons of mass destruction and who spends more on the military and weapons than almost the whole of the rest of the world combined,why that would be the US of course.
Reminds me of the old saying that goes "when you point fingers,remember there are 3 pointing back at you".

 

[titsrock]

Look at the timing. These attacks are taking place during the U.S.'s administration "dead period." Dubya ain't going to do shit about this. Obama is powerless to do anything.

I really don't see a solution here until the Arab Nations pressure Palestine and Iran to be realistic. Israel is far too "advanced" to just up and leave. Seriously. Clearly the inherent "class divisions" between all these different Arab countries have prevented them from doing anything jointly to "help" the Palestinians. Therefore, the Palestinians have 2 choices--either negotiate a peaceful existence side-by-side with Israel--and pressure Israel to concede human rights issues (water access, land settlement construction) or negotiate with Arab countries to basically "buy" land from them and construct their own country without any assistance from Israel.

That's really it.:dunno:

 

[Facetious]

^ ^ Yeah, and what country is it that provides the most flexibility for the people to speak their minds ? !

Cheers to our nations defences !:hatsoff: :tongue:

Also, I think that your "innocence project" example is yet another non profit political activist campaign, not much different than the likes of . . say the splc.

 

[Voyeur De Jour]

In this day and age, I'm willing to bet the death row denizens have earned their place on death row.

"And who is the country in the world with the most weapons of mass destruction and who spends more on the military and weapons than almost the whole of the rest of the world combined,why that would be the US of course."

And I'm proud of the US, the Military included. Having weapons does not make one bad. In fact, since the US has kept up its military following WWII, we have not had another major military conflict that has killed tens of millions of people. God bless the USA ... and girls with really big boobs.

Communism (Russia, China and other Asian nations), Fascism (Germany) and imperialism (Japan) were responsible for most of the killing in the 20th Century.

Hamas is a fascist organization ... and they are acting accordingly. :thumbsup:

 

[Marlo Manson]

They have virtually no choice.

The Gaza Strip has over 1.5 million people squeezed into 360 sq. kilometres. That's over 4,000 people per square kilometre.


Btw, death toll so far: Palestinians over 300 killed. Israel 1(?).

So much for eye for an eye.

This is definitely an endless debate over who deserves the land Israel occupies along with the Gaza strip which is claimed by both so who's is it?? who deserves it?? who initiates who?

The Palestinians indiscriminately launch missiles into a non-terrorist state /country!! like the Palestinian don't think Israel will retaliate if attacked?? the Palestinians KNOW damn well military retaliation is inevitable guaranteed yet they initiate the violence!! Palestine deserves no remorse!! the only people that deserve remorse are the innocent Palestinian victims trapped by a terrorist regime that uses them as pawns, Shields and don't give a flying fuck about their welfare!

Aside from being guilty of terrorist acts people defend the Palestinians like they are the poor, taken advantage of people.. Israel has every right to respond with deadly force when their countries CIVILIANS are intentionally killed as the sole intent and purpose of the PALESTINIAN attacks against Israel!!

Also keep in mind someone mentioned "if 1 of the billion dollar Arab states / countries in the region supported the Palestinian people they would not feel that Israel has raped them of their land and hate Israel instead blaming their own Arabs states in the region!!"

Except for ISRAEL that whole region is ARAB states and countries!! Israel is undeniably surrounded by Arab states and countries and yet they are still hated cuz they have a little piece of the land in the region!! Israel has the right to have its land and defend it!!

The people who defend Palestine and all other TERRORIST states are ASS-CLOWN'S!!! they are terrorists!! and you defend them and say its OK to attack people and not be held accountable??? that's and anybody who thinks that way needs to take their heads out of their asses!!

p.s. this is not directed @ any 1 poster.. just the people that defend and justify Palestine they are terrorists killing JEWS just cuz their OWN people in the region don't aid them!!

 

[LBP 76]

All I did was (properly) label them.

No. You also wished them dead.

You could, I suppose use another label like 'savages' or 'uncivilized people.'

Or you could say they are people that have had no country for 60 years, have been occupied and controlled by Israel and are now being starved by Israel.
I am quite sure that if any of us were in their shoes since birth that we would act similarly.

But you choose to classify them as unhuman (animals) and wish death upon them.

If this is how you will feel about 'problem' people for the rest of your life then you are, imo, a waste of space. For anyone that degrades and condemns groups of human beings that they have never even met is merely spreading hatred and ignorance.

But you are not alone. There are many others on this board that undoubtedly share your feelings. Only you have the strength to admit them freely.

And for that I sincerely commend you.

 

[georges]

No. You also wished them dead.Or you could say they are people that have had no country for 60 years, have been occupied and controlled by Israel and are now being starved by Israel.
I am quite sure that if any of us were in their shoes since birth that we would act similarly.

But you choose to classify them as unhuman (animals) and wish death upon them.

If this is how you will feel about 'problem' people for the rest of your life then you are, imo, a waste of space. For anyone that degrades and condemns groups of human beings that they have never even met is merely spreading hatred and ignorance.

But you are not alone. There are many others on this board that undoubtedly share your feelings. Only you have the strength to admit them freely.

And for that I sincerely commend you.

Ok, it is time for me to be more clear. Palestinians as a people never existed, they are mainly migrants from Jordan and other neighboring countries. Palestine was at that time occupied by the Brits till 1947. I challenge anyone on this board saying to me that Palestinians is a people that always existed because it is not the case. Also, Palestinians have backed up Arafat's policy against Israel and also they were happy of what happened during Munich Olympic Games in 1972 as well as when a plane was hi jacked and finally rescued by the Israeli in 1975. During the rescue of the plane, the brother of Benjamin Nathanyahu, the colonel Yeonathan Nathanyahu died. I have no problem with anyone on that board but I have some very serious beef against people who forget that Israel has to fight for its existence and it has been attacked 3 times in big wars.Also, I have seen a documentary where it was shown what the Palestinians kid were taught, Palestinian kids were taught to hate Israel and accuse it as the source of all their Problems. The thing is that the source of all the problems of Palestinians has been Arafat that stole their money and rival factions killing each other and which are unable to lead and create an unity in the government adds more fuel to the fire and fucks up the situation for Palestinians. You can't have it both ways, you are either with terrorists and radical islamic zealots or you are against them, there is never and there is no possible in between. Don't get mad on me because I expressed my very honest and my very personal opinion.

 

[eidetiker]

Most of us can agree that war is bad. You cannot justify a bad action with a bad action. I know, that is theory and cannot be applied, but we MUST apply it. Sure, Hamas, media say, is a terrorist group, and they've attacked Israel, so in that sense Israel has a duty.

Gandhi and other peace activists are right. War is bad. Everyone leave everyone alone. Either that or we assassinate every world leader with whom we disagree and drop nuclear bombs on Iran, N Korea, Pakistan and other "terrorist" countries and start afresh. Yes, millions of people will die, but principles are more important than life.