Iraeli attacks justified?

[ajitpd]

Given the death toll on both sides after the end of cease fire, are the recent Israeli attacks justified?

Yes, I know there is another thread on the same topic but I wanted to attach a poll in case someone did not discuss.

No, I am not trying to start a thread with any mindless bickering or religiopolitical throat grabbing. I am only interested in general opinion of board members.

My opinion:

Death doesn't see religion, country or any political affiliations. A 2-year-old child's life is as precious as a 72-year-old adult's. Murdering hundreds as revenge for not even a dozen is not up to the dignity of humanity. Being a victim doesn't justify aggression.

 

[BlueBalls]

You can read my overall opinion in the other thread on this, but in answering this question, I think that the retaliation attacks are totally unjustified, but even in a world where I saw them as justified I would still, say that blindly shooting missiles over Gaza is totally immoral and it makes them exactly the same as the people who fire from Gaza itself.

Israel is supposed to be the bigger nation, the more stable nation but todays actions and their actions in the past have shown they are no better than the Palastinians and they should not be treated any different, both nations are run by terrorists and the only reason Israel gets away with it is because its the US's pet.

 

[prof_porn]

A war crime by an illegitimate entity. Israel doesnt have peace as it doesnt seek it.

 

[kaliforniacatio]

Thanks to its diplomatic cushion from the US, Israel is routine in its disproportionate responses--it's pathetic.

 

[prof_porn]

Frankly, an equivalent response is a legitimate one from the Pals.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

These attacks aren't justified, and I'm hoping the Pals show Israel that. It is an unstable region, and trying to stop that by blowing some buildings up is stupid.

 

[Dawn]

Not Justified.

But is someone really surprised?

 

[titsrock]

Israel's response in this instance is over-the-line. However, Palestine will retaliate and that will provoke another round of attacks from Israel...and the cycle of violence continues.

Does Palestine even want peace? I don't think Israel cares for peace anymore.

 

[Facetious]

I have no dog in this hunt but I find it amazing how Israel's foes have a knack for stacking their women and children like cord wood, in on and around their points of fire. No kidding Israel is going to match the shot at the point of origin ! Get the CNN cams rollin . . . blood !! guts !! women !! children !! civilianry !!

If that isn't dedicated martyrdom :dunno:

 

[maildude]

As long as Hamas keeps launching rockets into Israel, Israel will strike back. How can we wage a "War On Terror" and then say Israel can't defend themselves? Innocent victims? You bet there will be. Show me a war without them.

 

[ajitpd]

As long as Hamas keeps launching rockets into Israel, Israel will strike back. How can we wage a "War On Terror" and then say Israel can't defend themselves? Innocent victims? You bet there will be. Show me a war without them.

I am more interested in the comparison of number of "innocent victims" on both sides. Counting the "innocent victims" on both sides was it revenge or aggression?

I am not questioning Israel's retaliation but just wondering about the magnitude of force used and its result in deaths compared to those caused by Hamas in Israel. Numbers kinda seem to be at odds.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Everybody obviously has their own opinions about the subject but I think IMO the difference is the Palestinian attacks are aimed @ killing as many JEWS as possible whether its military or civilians!! the difference is!!

I have no dog in this hunt but I find it amazing how Israel's foes have a knack for stacking their women and children like cord wood, in on and around their points of fire. No kidding Israel is going to match the shot at the point of origin ! Get the CNN cams rollin . . . blood !! guts !! women !! children !! civilianry !!

If that isn't dedicated martyrdom :dunno:

When Israel retaliates just like facetious pointed out the Palestinians USE CIVILIANS, WOMEN AND CHILDREN too shield themselves!! they put all the women and children in the line of fire just too make Israel look unjustified in their attacks!!!

ISRAEL HASN'T NOR EVER WOULD PUT ANY OF ITS NON-MILITARY CITIZENS IN THE LINE OF FIRE!! so I am sorry I have too side with ISRAEL with this in mind!! it only looks like ISREAL is unjustified cuz thats who the palestinians intentionally make there victims and casualties!!!

All those Arab states have diplomacy and relations with RUSSIA AND CHINA!! who will both defend, trade, provide, back, communicate with terrorist states!! so whats wrong with Israel having the USA as its Allie!!

All the people who claim the USA and ISRAEL are in cahoots and unfair too the rest of the world.. consider RUSSIA, and CHINA not to mention any of the worlds other super powers that don't mind that Arab states involved or tied too are terrorists, and or participate in terrorism!! :2 cents: :hatsoff:

 

[D-rock]

I am more interested in the comparison of number of "innocent victims" on both sides. Counting the "innocent victims" on both sides was it revenge or aggression?

I am not questioning Israel's retaliation but just wondering about the magnitude of force used and its result in deaths compared to those caused by Hamas in Israel. Numbers kinda seem to be at odds.

To play the devil's advocate here I could say that just retaliating while trading pot shots does absolutely nothing to deter the other side from attacking you. (Of course with those people even overwhelming force doesn't deter them so maybe it won't work either way.) If somebody came up and slapped me in the face, if I could get away with it, I wouldn’t just slap them back I would beat them within an inch of their life so the next time they don't even think of crossing me. But like somebody else said Palestinians don't want peace, and Israel just doesn't care anymore. They both have done things they shouldn't have in the past, but at least with Israel they aren't the aggressors or the ones that start it most of the time.

 

[jamrak]

Being a victim doesn't justify aggression.

I disagree entirely. Revenge is a must. No matter whether it is about the whole country, or about a fight between two individuals.

There are some situations, when only FORCE can help you. If you do not use force, you will be fucked/killed/etc.

When your opponent just hate you, and want you to be dead, there is no place for bullshit morals: all you need is to kill him. Do or die situation. It is far below the line of "negotiations". What negotiation can it be, if the aim of one side to destroy the other side? All it can bring are only temporary tricks and delays, but in the mind the desire of your emeny will remain the same: to dance on your grave.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

All those Arab states have diplomacy and relations with RUSSIA AND CHINA!! who will both defend, trade, provide, back, communicate with terrorist states!! so whats wrong with Israel having the USA as its Allie!!

Lots of countries have diplomatic relations with Arab states. :dunno: Calling all Arabs terrorists, like what you are saying, is rather offensive. There are many Arab states, like the U.A.E. that have nothing to do with terrorists. And not to mention that Israel has a sizable Arab population itself. There are some Arab states that support terrorism, yes, but not all of them do, and certainly not every person of Arab ethnicity.

 

[assholebythedoor]

First and foremost there is a lot that can be said about the Wars and politics, what is misguided is the intellegence of ones self. Being able to hold a clutch on another country is politically incorrect and should not be taking as an insult or minor altercation. If we had the resources and right to invade another country then why does that country continue to search for a meaning of uncertinty. As we stand as indivisuals, there is not a reason why by all means is this war unjustified and should of not taken place. If other counties thought it was a mistaken to be a War and not a civil movement they would take place in the Actions at hand. One or Two things will be done in the future. The Rich will continue to take from the poor. Or they will stand up against humility and injustice and decreedence to fight the fight that their ancesters withstoed apon them. I am only saying this because people are over there heads in politics. Should be addressed by our four fathers. What will be determinded as treason will set aside for future events to dissarray the truth. Only to continue to terrorise the woman and children who lay gallently streaming. Wondering what will happend next, being judged and critized by the terroriset who in which theey had not taken action in any civilzed manner and have been throwed into a world of cheating, lies, disruption, unconstitutional bigitry.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Who cares? If the jews and muslims wipe each other out there will be that much more for the rest of us.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Lots of countries have diplomatic relations with Arab states. :dunno: Calling all Arabs terrorists, like what you are saying, is rather offensive. There are many Arab states, like the U.A.E. that have nothing to do with terrorists. And not to mention that Israel has a sizable Arab population itself. There are some Arab states that support terrorism, yes, but not all of them do, and certainly not every person of Arab ethnicity.

Indeed you are correct! I said Arab states / countries that ARE and HAVE any ties, fund, and are known terrorist states!!

I didn't include United arab emrates, saudi arabia, kuwait, egypt, turkey, jordan, sudan..etc..and other peaceful Arab states / countries in the region!! did I?? so I am sorry but you are mistaken! I am sorry if you misunderstood or I wasn't clear enough!!

I wasn't nor would I ever naively accuse or say all Arabs are terrorists!! I was not refering to all Arabs!! I am refering ONLY too the Arabs that are involved in terrorism IN ANY CAPACITY in any country or state!!

 

[assholebythedoor]

Who cares? If the jews and muslims wipe each other out there will be that much more for the rest of us.

Who cares? We are the breeding grounds for the next civil war. Once, their is not justice and people stop caring, they decide to take revenge. Even if for one second someone could say, Everything is going to be alright, don't worry this is under control. Then the world will be at peace, but what you have is people with education who have not the slightest idea in what they are talking about. Leading others down the wrong path. We are already being taken over as a country, we just don't know it yet.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Who cares? We are the breeding grounds for the next civil war. Once, their is not justice and people stop caring, they decide to take revenge. Even if for one second someone could say, Everything is going to be alright, don't worry this is under control. Then the world will be at peace, but what you have is people with education who have not the slightest idea in what they are talking about. Leading others down the wrong path. We are already being taken over as a country, we just don't know it yet.

Don't take this personally but wtf are you talking about?