Indy Mac Bank goes down the shit hole

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Ive been watching this on the news all week and it is sad, these people can't even take their money out from the ATM. The Washington Post's headline today read "An Economy Thrown Into Turmoil." It is unbelievable how a legitimate bank can go bankrupt, but with these goddam house foreclosures it was only a matter of time. I do not understand the mentality of people who move into a home, and then realize they can't afford it. :dunno:

Anybody here a Indy Mac customer?

Dont fuck with this lady
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5AfVVk8KJk
 
The Bank is also being investigated for Fraud.And I just heard how "countrywide" another huge mortgage company approved an 85 year old vet for a mortgage they knew he would not be able to handle.No ethics at all and little regulation are going to take us to economic oblivion.Thanks to all those right wing preachers of deregulation and such like the great Ronald Reagan:rolleyes:.:thefinger
 

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All of the subsidies don't help either.



What the fuck is it with all of these "cute" names.

fanny, freddie and who the fuck is "mac" :thefinger:thefinger
 

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I never even heard of this bank until the news broke out. So the FDIC automatically insures you for up to $250,000, but what if you have well over that amount in your account?
 

Facetious

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I never even heard of this bank until the news broke out. So the FDIC automatically insures you for up to $250,000, but what if you have well over that amount in your account?

It's $100,000 last I checked. This is getting scary ! Very much similar to what happened in '29 with people lined up outside their banks.

My question remains . . . who underwrites the feds ability to underwrite the bank :confused:

Never place more than the $100k (fdic ins.limit) in one institution . . .mix 'em up. :thumbsup:

or under mattress
 
It used to be ...

The Bank is also being investigated for Fraud.And I just heard how "countrywide" another huge mortgage company approved an 85 year old vet for a mortgage they knew he would not be able to handle.No ethics at all and little regulation are going to take us to economic oblivion.Thanks to all those right wing preachers of deregulation and such like the great Ronald Reagan:rolleyes:.:thefinger
You can't regulate people not to be stupid.
If people are stupid, then we've got far worse things to worry about.

I've been arguing this since 2005 -- people argued with me that it wasn't wrong to do this, it was "healthy for everyone."
Now, 3 years later, all-of-the-sudden it's "wrong" and the professionals were stupid to do it.

In general, because people suck so bad at math in this country, they just take anyone's word for it.
It used to be that "common sense" came into play when basic amortization table concepts were well understood.

Nowdays, over 95% of Americans don't even know what buttons to use on their calculator to do them (if they have one), much less basic, exponential rates for amortization.
Just a "ballpark guess" would save a lot of stupid people, but it didn't, and that's why when the professionals break their own ethics, we're all fucked.

It's hardly regulatory issues, it's a total breakdown of many, many other things.
One of the biggest ones being that even the average realtor sucks at math as well.

I mean, if I was arguing this with the average business major back in 2005, it shows were pretty much fucked.
The only other people I actually saw pointing this out were my fellow, traditionally educated engineers here in the US, and we're a pretty rare breed since the '70s.

As my best friend used to say when he saw my Engineering Management's first chapter with the proof of most of these formulas, "why would you want to know that?"
I don't know how many times he put the wrong values into his calculator, although at least he know (back in college) that he was getting the wrong numbers.

In all honesty, just knowing the basic fundamentals and being able to look at a chart and see if it was correct would be enough.
But we have kids graduating from high school that are confused by charts, tables and graphs these days, so it doesn't surprise me.

Generation "math sucks."
 

Facetious

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The Bank is also being investigated for Fraud.And I just heard how "countrywide" another huge mortgage company approved an 85 year old vet for a mortgage they knew he would not be able to handle.No ethics at all and little regulation are going to take us to economic oblivion.Thanks to all those right wing preachers of deregulation and such like the great Ronald Reagan:rolleyes:.:thefinger

I would have thought that you would have been elated with this news :dunno:
Thanks to all of those right wing preachers . . .
Yeah ! they set the table for you . . what's the prob ? :dunno: :)
 
I would have thought that you would have been elated with this news :dunno: Yeah ! they set the table for you . . what's the prob ? :dunno: :)


What ya talking about, its all your side of the political spectrum that is the culprit here.Happy we are headed for depression because of little rich boys who have no morals, and lack of resources and enviormental calamity could only be the trait of a madman but that would be something you know about now wouldn't it.:eek:
Man some of your posts the last few days have really been fun to read ,they are like the ravings of someone on acid transported back 50 years ago.Like that commie link you posted again from 1963 but I guess I should go over there to comment.;)
 
Well, FDIC is paid for by all the banks being protected by it. So in essence, all the banks are subsidizing the payout of IndyMac's customers.

The rule is still $100k per titling per bank. That means that if I have an account by myself, I am insured to $100k. If I have an account with both a husband and wife under joint tenants with rights of survivorship, the account is covered to $200k. It gets complicated, but you get the jist of it.
 
If I have an account with both a husband and wife under joint tenants with rights of survivorship, the account is covered to $200k.

Wait...did you just insinuate that you have both a husband and a wife? Damn, you've got it figured out! :D ;) j/k

Anyway, despite what that dude said, you're right about the joint account being insured to 200 K, I read that in the paper this morning. :thumbsup:
 
Technically it is only up to the $100,000 per individual per account that is insured.But they have already said they will consider more if someone loses more.Maybe not the full amount and it might take a while but they have to stand behind the banks or the banking system and the economy of the country will be in deep trouble.As long as the govt can absorb the loses and borrow what they need to fund their defecit spending from other nations were ok.
 
So ...

What ya talking about, its all your side of the political spectrum that is the culprit here.
So when the tech burst started and the market was crapping in 2000, that was 100% Republican as well?
 
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So when the tech burst started and the market was crapping in 2000, that was 100% Republican as well?

Never mentioned "republicans" as actually there are some democrates who are to blame for this catering to the wealthy's interests as well.When I say political spectrum I am refereing to the school of thought on the Libertarian right side that thinks govt should be de-regulated and that corporations can be trusted to do the right thing with little monitoring.How many Enrons,Indy macs etc. do we need to see that given the oppurtunity the only things the vast majority of them will do is take the money and run?
As I have said before there is not nearly enough difference in the the 2 parties but there is still some.But honestly economic ones is where the differences may be the least meaningfull as for a long time the haves have gotten what they want whichever party was in power.Even Obama is only proposing a very miniscule change in tax policy.
 
It's not regulation, it's facist monoplization with federally backed securities ...

Never mentioned "republicans" as actually there are some democrates who are to blame for this catering to the wealthy's interests as well.
I stand corrected.

When I say political spectrum I am refereing to the school of thought on the Libertarian right side that thinks govt should be de-regulated and that corporations can be trusted to do the right thing with little monitoring.
Not only is this utterly false from the viewpoint of myself, a Libertarian-Capitalist who believes in regulation, but the problem here was not regulation.
In fact, most Libertarian-Capitalists have been sickened by the fact that the US federal government has taken on private sector liability.
That has been the "root cause" and it is hardly a Libertarian ideal, it's a Republican one.

The US federal government has increasingly exposed the tax payer to more and more liability.
And with that liability, more and more corporations have taken advantage of it.
The US federal government should have stopped this non-sense long ago, instead, it embraced it.

What we have build is the worst-case scenario of the Republican facist economic model.

How many Enrons,Indy macs etc. do we need to see that given the oppurtunity the only things the vast majority of them will do is take the money and run?
If the US federal government keeps backing them, I'm sure there will be plenty of it.
Make no mistake, when you do not back securities with the tax payers dollars and corporations don't assume there will be a bail out, they are much, much better.
This was not caused by lack of regulation, this was caused by federal backed securities instead of regulation.

As I have said before there is not nearly enough difference in the the 2 parties but there is still some.But honestly economic ones is where the differences may be the least meaningfull as for a long time the haves have gotten what they want whichever party was in power.Even Obama is only proposing a very miniscule change in tax policy.
The problem is that the ...
- Democrats preach government should collect the money for its own agencies and institutions
- Republicans preach government should collect the money for the private sector (falsely called "privitization")

We have propped up a financial system here in the US, with the Federal Reserve Corporation backed by the tax payer, that allows way too much of an "unnatural" money multiplier.
Well guess what? That money multiplier just ballooned to the point where it burst.

Libertarian-Capitalists have been warning the Republicans (and some Democrats, like Clinton) about this for over a decade now, and finally we've seen it.
The money moved from stocks to liquid, then to real estate followed by liquid, now commodities.
The end game here is that there's really a lot of "false liquidity" in general, and that has been caused by US federal backing, indirect and, increasingly (and quite scary), direct.

The only way out of this, like the '80s, may be mass inflation of the US currency with interest rates approaching 20%.
As much as people praise him, Greenspan is one to blame for some of this, and it wasn't surprising why he got out.
Bernake is a bit of an enigma, and I know he's holding back because he knows the truth (and knew the truth prior to and) better than Greenspan.

You blame the Libertarian-Capitalists and lack of regulation?
Libertarians prefer regulation than the facist economy model of Federally mandated monopolities and indirect/direct Federally backed security.
Even worse is that every Libertarian-Capitalist is now saying, let the fucking corporations fail, don't back them with tax payer debt.

Bear-Sterns should have been the "wake up call."
Let the fuckers fail, and implement some new ethics legislation to prevent a few screwing over many.
I've seen a crapload of my fellow Libertarian-Capitalists advocating this along with myself.

It's the Republicans, along with some Democrats, that are pushing this, not Libertarian-Capitalists.
 
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