India Buys Iranian Oil with Gold to avoid sactions, China may follow suit

This is great news! Every country should follow suit, this could make the USA too broke to carry out it's usual mass murder of innocents.

Remember that Iraq was going to start selling their oil in Euros instead of Dollars and then they were attacked shortly afterwards.

Also, Ghaddafi was working for a single African Gold currency called the Gold Dinar, Libya and other African nations would have sold oil and other goods in Gold Dinars instead of Dollars which would destroy the US economy, then hopefully the US citizens could then rise up and take back the country from the criminal international bankers. At least it could make the USA too poor to continue waging it's killing spree on Muslims.
http://rt.com/news/iran-india-gold-oil-543/

Sanctions dodge: India to pay gold for Iran oil, China may follow

India has reportedly agreed to pay Tehran in gold for the oil it buys, in a move aimed at protecting Delhi from US-sanctions targeting countries who trade with Iran. China, another buyer of Iranian oil, may follow Delhi’s lead.

The report, by the Israeli-based news website DEBKAfile, states that Iran and India are negotiating backup alternatives with China and Russia, should the US and EU find a way to block the gold payment mechanism.
Both India and China, two major buyers of Iranian oil accounting for 22 and 13 percent of its total export respectively, have refused to join such sanctions. This means they have to establish a reliable way of paying for crude, independently of the parts of the global financial system controlled by New York and London.

Delhi’s move is seen as surprising, as earlier India and Iran said they would switch to yen and rupees. China, another major importer of Iranian oil, may follow Delhi’s lead, the report adds.

India and China need to switch from the dollar in bilateral trade, since the US and EU have issued unilateral sanctions against the Iranian oil industry and financial institutions. The sanctions would ban any bank involved in oil trade with Iran from dealing with American and European counterparts.

*Neil Padukone from the Takshashila, an independent Indian think tank, told RT that countries like China, Russia and India are now looking for other creative ways to engage with Iran while insulating themselves from punitive actions from the United States. “And some of these actions include paying in gold rather than dollars and also building new, independent corporate entities that don’t even participate in Western markets.”
 

LukeEl

I am a failure to the Korean side of my family
And to celebrate the deal they all went to dinner at Kentucky Fried Chicken.
 
ok, so your a fucking tool. where the hell are you from? whered you get get your critically insane and incorrect view of my country?

hope you fall down a flight of stairs soon
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Problem is, gold is also priced in dollars. And if gold is used more as a currency (whether for oil or any other internationally traded commodity), the demand for gold (and the velocity) would increase. That would increase the price of gold in dollar terms.

But to get around trade sanctions, sure, I guess this would accomplish that. But it wouldn't take long before they'd be paying more per barrel than those buying that same barrel of oil in dollars.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
ok, so your a fucking tool. where the hell are you from? whered you get get your critically insane and incorrect view of my country?

hope you fall down a flight of stairs soon

I'm hoping that Mossad will knock on his door very soon.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
ok, so your a fucking tool. where the hell are you from? whered you get get your critically insane and incorrect view of my country?

hope you fall down a flight of stairs soon
Why don't you back up your words with concrete examples of why your country is good?
Because the rest of the world has seen america persecute it's own people under Mccarthy, stage two illegal wars under Bush Jnr, Fail completely in Vietnam, support various dictatorships such as the regime of the colonels and the Shah of Iran and generally fight freedom and happiness in the name of profitting from tyranny and opression. I could have gone on.
 
ok, so your a fucking tool. where the hell are you from? whered you get get your critically insane and incorrect view of my country?

hope you fall down a flight of stairs soon

Open your eyes!!! Actually, you're in SF, just hop the bus down to my place and I'll help you explore your conscience.
 
Why don't you back up your words with concrete examples of why your country is good?
Because the rest of the world has seen america persecute it's own people under Mccarthy, stage two illegal wars under Bush Jnr, Fail completely in Vietnam, support various dictatorships such as the regime of the colonels and the Shah of Iran and generally fight freedom and happiness in the name of profitting from tyranny and opression. I could have gone on.

seriously? you need me to give you a list of things? cause you really dont know what good we've done for the world? sure, im supposed to believe that. but ok:

-every year we give out billions of dollars in foreign aid to pretty much any country that needs it. which buys food, water, clothing, shelter, medical supplies and various other things. examples: the tsunami in asia, and the quake in Haiti
-we've given countless additions to the world of art, music, literature and film since the creation of our country.
-breakthroughs in architecture, medicine, engineering, business and countless other ventures
-we developed the idea of a national park system, which has spread to other countries in various forms
-putting men on the moon was kind of a big deal

theres countless things weve contributed to the world with. and your examples of our faults over the years are nothing special. most of the countries in europe have committed the errors and seedy actions we have. and considering the fact that theyve been around a hell of a lot longer, theyve made a shit ton more of em than we have. so back the fuck off. im honestly tired of the god damn America bashing, seemingly just because its fun
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As interconnected worldwide as the oil market is and as coveted as it is it's kind of meaningless where oil is bought from as long as somebody is willing to buy it. Not getting it from one place just frees it up for somebody else to buy somewhere else. As much as it's traded trying to get oil from just specific areas is almost impossible.
 
Problem is, gold is also priced in dollars. And if gold is used more as a currency (whether for oil or any other internationally traded commodity), the demand for gold (and the velocity) would increase. That would increase the price of gold in dollar terms.

But to get around trade sanctions, sure, I guess this would accomplish that. But it wouldn't take long before they'd be paying more per barrel than those buying that same barrel of oil in dollars.

Uh...don't think so.
If they currently buy 17 barrels of oil with 1 ounce of gold and these transactions spike the gold price to $2,500/oz...then they could buy 25 barrels of oil for the same ounce (assuming oil stays at $100).
 
I'm not saying, just quoting.

ok, so your a fucking tool. where the hell are you from? whered you get get your critically insane and incorrect view of my country?

hope you fall down a flight of stairs soon

Indians on top

Problem is, gold is also priced in dollars. And if gold is used more as a currency (whether for oil or any other internationally traded commodity), the demand for gold (and the velocity) would increase. That would increase the price of gold in dollar terms.

But to get around trade sanctions, sure, I guess this would accomplish that. But it wouldn't take long before they'd be paying more per barrel than those buying that same barrel of oil in dollars.

Gold rises on disappointing US GDP

Gold rises for third day after soft U.S. GDP data
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Uh...don't think so.
If they currently buy 17 barrels of oil with 1 ounce of gold and these transactions spike the gold price to $2,500/oz...then they could buy 25 barrels of oil for the same ounce (assuming oil stays at $100).

No, if gold was used as a true currency to buy oil, then one ounce of gold would purchase X barrels of oil. Let's use the 17 barrels you used. Let's say I have the oil and you have the gold. If we've agreed that you'll give me one ounce of gold and I'll give you 17 barrels of oil today, why would I give you more oil next week, just because the price of your commodity has gone up in dollar terms? The fact that you've now had to pay more for your commodity wouldn't be my problem. The same would be true if the price of my commodity were to rise or fall.

You could only buy 25 barrels of oil with the one ounce of gold if you first sold the one ounce of gold (for dollars) and then purchased the oil (with dollars) - unless the seller and buyer were willing to peg the transaction based on the dollar market for oil and gold on a particular day. But if you revert back to the dollar market for both, what's the advantage... other than added transaction costs (transportation, insurance, brokerage, verification, etc.)?

But there are more articles about this topic floating around recently, and not just India, but also the Russians are trying to play a new currency game. When it comes to economics, currency and forex, the Russians have about the same luck as Wile E. Coyote has in catching the Road Runner. So we'll see where this goes over time. But I expect that the $ will continue to be the world's reserve currency, and primary currency for international trading, for decades to come.
 
But I expect that the $ will continue to be the world's reserve currency, and primary currency for international trading, for decades to come.

Once again to quote the experts:
The World is concerned that the dollar cannot play the role of the main reserve currency any longer after the financial crisis sparked by the collapse of the U.S. mortgage market led to the worst global recession since the 1930s. The Government’s stimulus packages, financial bailouts, the need to support liquidity in Treasuries, keeping interest rates at the lowest level under the circumstances of low economic growth, high unemployment and low tax collection make it print more dollars. This leads to a high risk of substantial inflation, or hyperinflation in a long-run.

With a $12.3 trillion national debt and $55 trillion in unfunded obligations for programs such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, with total Federal Reserve and Treasury bailout commitments now at $11.8 trillion, of which $3.6 trillion has already been spent the U.S. need to take steps immediately to protect themselves from the potential loss of the purchasing power of their U.S. Dollars, inflation.us warns.

Although there is still no significant inflation data in the United States international stock and commodity markets grew abnormally within the last eleven months. Analysts called it the “flight from the dollar” or “diversifying risks.”

There are many factors evidencing against the future of the dollar as a global reserve currency. In the present article futureofdollar.com pays attention to the crucial points of analysis after conducting an extensive research on the topic.

Part I

Weak Fundamentals of the U.S. Economy

Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman states that “a country whose fundamentals are persistently and predictably deteriorating will necessarily have a [currency] crisis at some point.” (1)

1. National Debt

In the middle of February 2010, President Obama signed into law the bill increasing the public debt ceiling from $12.394 trillion to $14.294 trillion. This is a second increase in the upper limit on the national debt in less than two months.

Last time, in December, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer commented that the Congress simply had no other choice: otherwise the United States would have to default on their debt obligations what would be another catastrophe for financial markets. (2)

The Peterson-Pew Commission on Budget Reform stated that “the United States would almost certainly experience a debt driven crisis,” that “could unfold gradually or it could happen suddenly, but with great costs either way.” “The excessive debt would. . . affect citizens in their everyday lives by harming the American standard of living through slower economic growth and dampening wages, and shrinking the government’s ability to reduce taxes, invest, or provide a safety net.” (3)

2. Unemployment

This past January, the economy lost 20,000 jobs after loosing 150,000 jobs in December, and the unemployment rate was 9.7 percent. (4)

The unemployment rate fell from 10.0 to 9.7 percent in January. According to Reuters “a sharp increase in the number of people giving up looking for work helped to depress the jobless rate. The number of 'discouraged job seekers' rose to 1.1 million in January from 734,000 a year ago.”

3. Budget deficit

IMF’s Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn noted at the 10th Annual Herzliya Conference in Tel Aviv that the global crisis had created a problem of fiscal sustainability for many countries that could take decades to fix because of the huge debts built up during the crisis, especially in developed countries. (5)

The United States reached a record budget deficit of $1.415 trillion in fiscal year 2009 that ended in September. (6) The deficit will probably again exceed one trillion dollars in the current fiscal year as it is already over $400 billion.

The excess of spending over revenue in the United States rose to $91.9 billion in December 2009, as opposed to a deficit of $51.8 billion in December 2008, the Treasury Department announced in its monthly budget statement. The U.S. has posted a record 15 straight monthly deficits. (7)

In the beginning of February 2010 Obama transmitted a $3.8 trillion budget for 2011 to the Congress with a record $1.6 trillion deficit. (8)

During the debate on the national debt the Senate “rejected a proposed bipartisan commission to recommend ways to reduce the U.S. budget deficit,” Bloomberg reported. “The legislation would have required that the panel’s recommendations be voted on by Congress without being amended.” (9)

4. Financial sector

Recent Bank of America’s and Citigroup’s losses for the fourth quarter of 2009 and inability to repay the bailout funds without additional stock offering, Morgan Stanley’s low profits, and J.P. Morgan Chase's retail division loss confirm a suspicion that the U.S. banks’ economic conditions are not very strong putting in doubt health of the financial sector as a whole.

“Loan demand continued to decline or remained weak in most Districts.” (10)

“A number of Districts reported that credit quality continued to deteriorate.” (11)

From the Article; The Future of the Dollar
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Once again to quote the experts:


From the Article; The Future of the Dollar

I'm simply going on what else is out there. The EuroZone has the Euro as its base currency. And the EuroZone is in worse shape than the U.S. (fiscally). So I don't see the Euro becoming the reserve currency, as was rumored just a couple of years ago. The Chinese Yuan? Though China is now the second largest economy in the world, its currency is tightly controlled and is not freely traded. The Swiss Franc? The Swiss economy isn't big enough to support it being the world's reserve currency. Gold? There isn't enough gold in the world to support every major nation returning to the gold standard.

The sheer volume of dollar denominated assets in the world today (U.S. Treasuries, gold, oil, platinum, etc.) makes the $ the default reserve currency, and I just cannot see that changing anytime soon.

I understand the points made in the article you posted. But the question remains, if the major nations of the world sold their dollar denominated assets, what would they buy instead? Thus far, that question seems to have no rational answer.
 
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