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Trump is going to address the UN.
Do we want to set an over/under on the pain, confusion and embarrassment that he's going to cause our nation in one speech?:crying:
No need to project your family into this.
dude, tape your pussy shut or whatever you need to do. that wasn't a personal attack. It was a joke, and a damn fine one if I do say so myself. and how do you know that one person is permanently banned? he very well could be. either way, this board is lesser without him IMO.
You made your re-appearance just as that person was permanently banned. You know what that's called.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
What the UN thinks doesn't matter. Past time for America to leave the UN and use the building for something else.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
There it is.
Don't waste your time and for Pete's Sake don't go by what any news business says. Either watch it yourself or tune out.
I'll sum it up:
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.
Keep in mind Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah is not really a bad thing, in fact it beats what the Israeli UN Ambassador disguised as the US UN Ambassador Nikki Haley is usually doing up there which is calling for war against Israels neighbors and N Korea and for the USA to pay for it in their money and blood.
Something Trump said he was not going to do.
So in this case Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah is a good thing.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
Trump is going to address the UN.
Do we want to set an over/under on the pain, confusion and embarrassment that he's going to cause our nation in one speech?
Hi.
I wouldn't worry too much about Trumpypie embarrassing "Our Nation"
The world knows what Our Nation has been doing around the globe since 2001.
Bombing, murdering, pillaging and causing the eventual demise of western Europe as a kicker.
Oh and flooding the country with opium.
So I dont think anything Trumpybooboo can say will hold a candle to any of that stuff.
I know you don't believe any of that.....and that's cool man that's cool.
From what I heard on the radio today, he more or less said that the UN is a bloated and ineffective bureaucracy, and needs to get it's shit together. As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with him on that. I don't for a second believe that he knows how to fix it, but I am forced to give him credit for being able to recognize and state why the UN sucks (or at least read the words of someone who could).
My synomsis of his speech yesterday was that he didn't say anything outragious and he was rather tame in the forum. He only critique the bureaucracy at the UN, which I suspect nobody will disagree. So I'm not too worried. I think with each passing day he sheding much of American First stuff. McMaster, Mattis and Kelly are reining in the crazy persona. I'm getting hints of Trump manifesting into a neoconservative administration.Which is to me, preferable to what Bannon and others were proposing. Trunp appears to be relaxing his views on a lot of issues. He still jumping back and forth on issues. Like the Paris Accords, I can't make heads or tales of it, but I suspect if the Dems name a price, Trump would happlily come over the other side but something will most definitely need to be sacrifice for the bargin. He tough but fair and compromising. Transactional in many ways.
All I can ask from Trump at this point preserving the postwar world order or what is left of it.
I'm not so much worried about terrorist. They are a problem, a nililist problem, but they don't have the wherewithal to topple the current world order. They killed too many people to change the world's opinion about islamic fundamentalism and have yet to be established and be recognized as a soverneity . They're an acute problem like the drug cartels.
Iran and North Korea are regional problems that risk proliferating their respective regions with nukes. I am not so much worried about Iran bombing Israel. I think it will be the end of them if they did. It is the cascade brought on with Iran coming into possession of nuclear weapons that concerning. Others, including allies and partners in the region, will want to follow after Iran . Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt will all aspire to have nuclear weapons. Too many neigboring nations in possession nukes is most concerning.
Russia and China are our straegtic rivals. Russia for the short term. China for the long term duration. Russia's recent annexations and snap drills is a cry for help. A has-been superpower that needs to flexes its nuts to remain relevant, annexing terroritory of former Soviet republics for lost glory, to distract from the rot in their country. The corruption, the extortion, the alcoholism. the opiate addcition, the AIDs pandemic, the sanctions brought on for annexing territory. And their single commodity economy overreliance on exporting hydrocarbon that been dealt with snake eyes with the Shale Oil boom, they are losing out in the price wars. Russia is willing sell its oil at discount to China and China is low balling them further but what happening is an acquisition, aformer superpower being overtaken by incoming superpower. China is sucking Russia's dick dry via gas pipelines. I won't be surprise if Russia's end up getting annexed themselves. China is brimming with Chinese. I bet they are eying Siberia for real estate, ore and logging.
I'm not so much worried about terrorist. They are a problem, a nililist problem, but they don't have the wherewithal to topple the current world order. They killed too many people to change the world's opinion about islamic fundamentalism and have yet to be established and be recognized as a soverneity . They're an acute problem like the drug cartels.
Iran and North Korea are regional problems that risk proliferating their respective regions with nukes. I am not so much worried about Iran bombing Israel. I think it will be the end of them if they did. It is the cascade brought on with Iran coming into possession of nuclear weapons that concerning. Others, including allies and partners in the region, will want to follow after Iran . Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt will all aspire to have nuclear weapons. Too many neigboring nations in possession nukes is most concerning.
Russia and China are our straegtic rivals. Russia for the short term. China for the long term duration. Russia's recent annexations and snap drills is a cry for help. A has-been superpower that needs to flexes its nuts to remain relevant, annexing terroritory of former Soviet republics for lost glory, to distract from the rot in their country. The corruption, the extortion, the alcoholism. the opiate addcition, the AIDs pandemic, the sanctions brought on for annexing territory. And their single commodity economy overreliance on exporting hydrocarbon that been dealt with snake eyes with the Shale Oil boom, they are losing out in the price wars. Russia is willing sell its oil at discount to China and China is low balling them further but what happening is an acquisition, aformer superpower being overtaken by incoming superpower. China is sucking Russia's dick dry via gas pipelines. I won't be surprise if Russia's end up getting annexed themselves. China is brimming with Chinese. I bet they are eying Siberia for real estate, ore and logging.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cornytone again.
Very interesting and insightful post. It is intriguing to speculate on the future geopolitical events that will shape the world as we go deeper into the 21st century. It is hard to imagine a scenario where China, if due only to the sheer size of it's population, does not become the world's dominant superpower over the next 60 years. When it comes to the need for expansion on their behalf (and I don't mean expansion like Hitler wanted out of pure greed and hubris but rather one of genuine need), I would surmise that Siberia would indeed be a very enticing place for China to look for relief and exploitation. When you consider the tremendous imbalance in population (Russia has 145 million people, China has 1.4 billion) and the obvious demand for resources and commodities that go along with it, China has a real dilemma that only a vast, habitable region like the eastern 2/3 of Russia can satisfy.
That's because there is really no place else for all these Chinese to go. Look at a map. China's population is huddled around the coast and along the Yellow and Yangtze rivers. Tibet and Sinkiang are rugged desert and mountain regions that are remote and largely uninhabitable. They cannot go into southeast Asia or the Indonesian archipelago....already too densely populated. Ditto for Korea and Japan on the east (too small anyway) and India and Pakistan to the south and west. Australia would be an interesting possibility but would have serious political ramifications with China's best customer (the USA) and North America is out of the question for the same reason (although some would joke that the west coast of North America is already dominated by, if not the Chinese in particular, certainly Asians in general). No...Russia beckons like a lighthouse in a storm as a possible and logical place for the Chinese to expand as they continue to run out of both resources and room.
I won't predict the method by which such a transformation might take place but it isn't difficult to imagine that Russia could ultimately be defined more strictly by its European components, just as Peter the Great would have planned it. Looking at the direction that Putin has taken the country under his authority only reinforces this notion. Historically, even though many different races, ethnicities, languages and religions can be found throughout what used to comprise the old Soviet Union, modern-day Russia is much more Caucasian, Slavic and not-necessarily Christian per se but most certainly not Islamic or any other religion either. The ongoing strife and fighting that has become the norm in the trans-caucasian region of Russia is symptomatic of the unwillingness to accept neither Arabic nor Islamic aspects of humanity into the fabric of Russian society and culture. Russia is generally not accepting of societal elements that do not coincide with traditional ones. Additionally, even though Putin has presented the facade of a renewed emphasis on Russia's presence in the far east as evidenced by the recent Eastern Economic Forum that took place in Vladivostok, it is obvious that his main concern for the future of his country remains focused on the NATO threat and the economic dependence on Europe as a key market for Russia's vast oil and natural gas reserves. The reactionary approach to Russian culture coupled with the one-dimensional aspect of Russia's economy make the country extremely vulnerable to some type of revolutionary transformation in my opinion. China would be the obvious beneficiary of any resulting demographic, economic and political dynamics were such an upheaval to occur.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
No. :tongue:
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
Hey Corn,
Did you ever stop to wonder where the "terrorists" get there funding from?
Who pays them? Who Arms them? Why do they suddenly show up and take over pretty much every country the US has attacked and destroyed like clockwork then the US does pretty much nothing to drive them out? In Syria we were openly fighting the army who was fighting Al qaeaueda.
In Libya there wasnt even American boots on the ground....Al_Qauaeauada just rolled in by the 10's of thousands literally the day the US bombing stopped.....and theyre still there.
Trillions upon trillions of US Dollars borrowed at interest and spent on "THE WAR ON TERROR".
Have you ever thought that all that money wound up in someones bank account?
Keep in mind these are mercenary armies that need to be paid, fed, armed and mobilized.......it aint cheap and it aint some bearded guy in a cave funding all that.
Oh and finally. Have you ever wondered why "The Terrorists" never attack Israel or saudi Arabia?
Have you ever wondered why you never here anybody mentioning finding the source of the funding?
Or why the best they can do to TERRORIZE the US and Western Europe is a plastic bucket bomb or a car into a crowd?
Oh and The Drug Cartels.....Oh they are a big problem.
When you say Drug Cartlel do you picture a guy named Pablo or a dark skinned guy with a little moustache named General Francisco Pequina?
Thats fairy tale stuff Corn.
The drugs , the opiates that make heroin come from Afghanistan (the only country the US invaded and Al Qaeaueada didnt take over). And the OPIATE Epidemic started right around the time the US invaded that country.
Billions and billions a year spent on the WAR ON DRUGS. Probably trillions a year spent on the drugs themselves.
Ever wonder who's pockets all that money goes into?
Terrorism, Drugs, these are rackets. Just gotta think about who and what is moaking the profit from it and there is youre Culprit.
And in conclusion did you ever stop to think when the last time Iran attacked another country?
Even when Saddam backed by the USA was killing a million or so Iranian civilians the country did nothing.
They took it because they knew if they fought back that would be the excuse the US wanted.
Oh and N. Korea. The USA wants them to disarm.
How did disarming go for Iraq Libya.
You think if N. Korea disarmed that the US wouldnt bomb the hell out of them?
Your post was very thoughtful. Only you are using your base as everything the TV has told you over the years.
Good day
I won’t disagree with a lot you mention here. America had its hand in a lot of the problems the world faces today. But to be fair, it’s logically the case with everything, things don’t come into existence in a vacuum. There is always context and a history. It is unavoidable to do anything without consequence. There actions and reaction. Situations evolve and new relationships are established with time. Interests diverge. Animosities brew. History is written with powers coupling and decoupling. European powers coming together to fight common foes like Napoleon only to squabble over the end game. Thus creating a new game.
Think of the marriage of convenience that was made between US and Soviet Union to defeat fascism. We clearly aligned ourselves with our ideological opponents, they were beneficeries of the lend-least program(Ships, planes, bullets, yet a half-century Cold War arms race followed, in the same way we aligned and intersected with dictators, drug cartels and terrorist organizations to defeat communism. We solve today's problems by investing into tomorrow’s problems. We are just winging it.
Although, I have give some credit to earlier U.S. policy makers, it was perhaps short sightedness, the lack of imagination. and amalgamation of competing interest -which naturally comes with having a democratic system of government, that permitted Islamic fundamentalism slip past our radar and go Jurrassic Park on us. On one hand American wanted to rebuff the Soviet Union and the Marxist ideology from establishing itself in the Middle East. Fearing that Arab oil would be nationalized and access to oil would be cut off. On the other hand, the US wanted to be a staunch supporter of the state of Israel because it wanted to reinforce its presense in the Middle East. So arming the Mujahideen corresponded with the first goal but staunchly supporting Israel put us in bind with our Islamic connections.
Our political rhetoric invites hypocrisy. There is clearly a hyprocrisy in the war on drugs and terror but separating the romantic moral notions of United States’ foreign policy from its actual foreign policy, Deep down it all realpolitik. Politics makes for strange bedfellows.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-blasting-murderous-Iran-regime.html#comments
During speech to the UN General Assembly, the U.S. president hinted that he believes the 'rogue state' is still racing toward completion of a nuclear weapon
Iran says it has a right to peaceful nuclear development for electric power, and denies that it is pursuing weapons
But Trump blasted the Obama administration's 'one-sided' nuclear deal and said it's 'an embarrassment to the United States'
He drew applause from the chamber saying: 'We cannot abide by an agreement if it provides cover for the eventual construction of a nuclear program'
Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein blasted the speech: ''What nation would negotiate with the United States when the agreements we reach with other countries are so easily undermined?'*
Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said he had 'never heard a bolder or more courageous speech' at the United Nations
After the speech, Trump told reporters: 'I think it went really well. I said what I had to say'*
Yeah I officially hate this guy now.
But not for the same stupid reasons the Fake News has put in the heads of so many others who hate him.
But for real shit. Not because he's a Nazi (Dum Dum Dum!) or because he's gonna take away my birth control ( Blood Curdling Scream) but because he conned us and is selling us all out.
He aint draining no swamps, he's filling them up.
What was that again Don?
You're gonna make America Great Again are ya?
Gonna get us out of foreign conlicts around the world that cost the US so much money was it?
But a few months after he was elected its War War War War War with this scumbag liar.
And I know people don't want to face reality but it's wars for Israel. Only Israel benefits from a political standpoint..
Trump is just an Israel Stooge. Netanyahoos bitch.
Can it be any more conspicuous at this point?
Iran is such a problem right?
A Murderous Regime right? Tell that to the Libyans and the Yeminis and the Palestinians too.
Biggest sponser of terrorism right?
All lies, all propaganda.
A Isreal Stooge is all he ever was. Many people were worried about this from the start but now there is no denying.
He ain't making it great again so dont expect it. Just sacrificing us and continuing the transfer of the Empire from here to there.
During speech to the UN General Assembly, the U.S. president hinted that he believes the 'rogue state' is still racing toward completion of a nuclear weapon
Iran says it has a right to peaceful nuclear development for electric power, and denies that it is pursuing weapons
But Trump blasted the Obama administration's 'one-sided' nuclear deal and said it's 'an embarrassment to the United States'
He drew applause from the chamber saying: 'We cannot abide by an agreement if it provides cover for the eventual construction of a nuclear program'
Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein blasted the speech: ''What nation would negotiate with the United States when the agreements we reach with other countries are so easily undermined?'*
Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said he had 'never heard a bolder or more courageous speech' at the United Nations
After the speech, Trump told reporters: 'I think it went really well. I said what I had to say'*
Yeah I officially hate this guy now.
But not for the same stupid reasons the Fake News has put in the heads of so many others who hate him.
But for real shit. Not because he's a Nazi (Dum Dum Dum!) or because he's gonna take away my birth control ( Blood Curdling Scream) but because he conned us and is selling us all out.
He aint draining no swamps, he's filling them up.
What was that again Don?
You're gonna make America Great Again are ya?
Gonna get us out of foreign conlicts around the world that cost the US so much money was it?
But a few months after he was elected its War War War War War with this scumbag liar.
And I know people don't want to face reality but it's wars for Israel. Only Israel benefits from a political standpoint..
Trump is just an Israel Stooge. Netanyahoos bitch.
Can it be any more conspicuous at this point?
Iran is such a problem right?
A Murderous Regime right? Tell that to the Libyans and the Yeminis and the Palestinians too.
Biggest sponser of terrorism right?
All lies, all propaganda.
A Isreal Stooge is all he ever was. Many people were worried about this from the start but now there is no denying.
He ain't making it great again so dont expect it. Just sacrificing us and continuing the transfer of the Empire from here to there.
Mayhem
Banned
Trump: "I have decided" on Iran deal
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-i-have-decided-on-iran-deal/
Ye Gods, what an asshole this guy is.
I would, once again, thank Hillary Clinton, Jill Stein and the A-L-E-P-P-O guy for all their help getting The World's Biggest Schmuck into the Oval Office. It's important that we have this time in history for future generations to look back upon.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-i-have-decided-on-iran-deal/
Ye Gods, what an asshole this guy is.
I would, once again, thank Hillary Clinton, Jill Stein and the A-L-E-P-P-O guy for all their help getting The World's Biggest Schmuck into the Oval Office. It's important that we have this time in history for future generations to look back upon.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Trump: "I have decided" on Iran deal
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-i-have-decided-on-iran-deal/
Ye Gods, what an asshole this guy is.
I would, once again, thank Hillary Clinton, Jill Stein and the A-L-E-P-P-O guy for all their help getting The World's Biggest Schmuck into the Oval Office. It's important that we have this time in history for future generations to look back upon.
If he pulls the USA out of this deal it will be the biggest geopolitical blunder in history since the Munich Pact. Does Trump really want to provoke a nuclear war? His provocative and reckless rhetoric on North Korea and the virtual assurance that Iran will attain nuclear status in very short order do nothing but further destabilize an already tenuous situation as it is. This is literally the political equivalent of throwing gasoline on a smoldering fire. To add insult to injury and in his inimitable classless style, he passed blame for the entire North Korean situation on the Clintons in an early-morning tweet blizzard (boy, that prostate of yours must really be acting up again, Mr. President).
Now he's playing games by teasing everyone about the Iran nuclear deal??
This guy is crazy if he pulls the plug on this deal, folks. Hope I'm wrong but fear (and fear is exactly the right word) I'm not.
That was one of the best speeches POTUS has ever given. Maybe one of the best speeches ever given at the UN. It's so refreshing to have a POTUS that speaks up and defends America instead of shitting on it. He talks tough and our adversaries know that if pushed he'll back up his words. It's a far cry from the last guy we had in office. It was 8 years of weakness and all our enemies knew it. They pushed us around because they knew Obama wouldn't do a goddamn thing. Well folks there's a new sheriff in town and his name is Trump
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