Illegal Aliens Making Almost Twice the Minimum Wage And Bennies Upset About Raids

As feds shift strategies in hunt for illegals, few happy with the results
By Julie Forster
jforster@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 02/06/2011 10:28:23 PM CST


Skip Bolton knew if he lost a big portion of his work force, even a temporary shutdown of his company's food-packaging operations in Lakeville could cost his business some clients. Big consumer-products companies use the contract manufacturer to package their cereals and snacks and get them onto shelves — fast.

Not being able to spare a slowdown if federal agents came combing for illegal workers, Ryt-way Industries signed onto a partnership with the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency to ensure that the company's 1,000 workers — 40 percent of whom don't speak English — are legal.

The program includes using E-verify, a centralized federal database to check whether documents produced by job candidates are legitimate. At first many documents came up as suspect. It happened, said Bolton, who is vice president of human resources, "quite often." It has improved and, as word spread among immigrant communities about the company's careful checking, Bolton says fewer false documents turn up.

Still, he said he would welcome reform of immigration laws so more foreign workers could work within U.S. borders legally.

"If that does happen eventually, I would certainly embrace it," Bolton said. "But right now, the law is the law."

Enforcing the law is a process that remains enmeshed in controversy. In recent years, focus has switched from high-profile workplace raids in which workers were jailed and eventually deported to an emphasis on employers.


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This approach involves penalizing or even prosecuting employers that knowingly hire and retain illegal workers and limiting the deportation of workers mainly to those who are deemed criminals.
The shift has done little to win over anybody. Workers swept up in what are now known as workplace audits — nicknamed "desktop raids," because they focus on company employment records — may not land on buses headed to jail but still end up fired from their jobs. Fewer are deported, but many are forced deeper into the shadow economy to find work that advocates say likely involves cash pay that flies under the taxation radar. Employers can see their operations grind to a halt as they sift through a blizzard of paperwork.

As the focus has shifted, enforcement has increased. Immigration officials conducted 2,200 workplace audits nationally in fiscal year 2010, up from 1,400 the previous year and more than double the 2008 total. The increased audits in 2010 resulted in 240 fines totaling $6.9 million, up from 52 fines totaling about $1 million in 2009. Immigration officials declined to release Minnesota-specific figures.

COMPANIES PROACTIVE

In recent months, audits in Minnesota have included Chipotle Mexican Grill restaurants and two South St. Paul meat-processing companies —Twin City Hide and Twin City Tanning — that have resulted in the firing of hundreds of illegal workers.

DeAnne Hilgers, a Minneapolis employment attorney who advises companies, said she expects the scrutiny will continue to escalate.

"What I have seen is a regular and increased motivation by ICE to confirm that more and more employers are complying with their I-9 obligations," she said, referring to the form used to verify eligibility to work in the United States.

Much of her time now involves helping employers who have received notice of an audit get their I-9s in order to show authorities.

"As ICE inspections increase — and I expect they will — we will see more employers taking a proactive approach to this," she said.

Chipotle, with 1,200 employees at 50 outlets in Minnesota, fired hundreds of illegal immigrant workers here starting in December as a result of an audit. The Service Employees International Union Local 26, which has emerged as an advocate for the workers even though they aren't union members, estimates that 700 workers lost their jobs. Although Chipotle disputes that estimate, it hasn't provided its own number.

The Denver-based company, which also faces audits in Virginia and Washington, D.C., said last week that immigration officials have yet to penalize the firm for the problems found here.

While Chipotle says it uses E-verify in three states where it's required, Minnesota is not among them. Over the past five years, the company says it has improved its document-review capabilities and procedures.

"Certainly, this incident has been eye-opening for us and caused us to redouble our efforts to make sure we are doing all we can," co-chief executive Monty Moran said in e-mailed responses to questions.

NO-WIN SITUATION

In Minnesota, Latino workers who had worked at Chipotle for up to 10 years were fired when they failed to produce valid documents of their legal status to work. Many acknowledged they were hired at the company using false documents that they purchased when they came to the United States.

In explaining their situation, some broke into tears at what they said was poor treatment by a company they had been loyal to for many years.

Chipotle isn't happy with the situation, either. Moran said he believes immigration laws are flawed, and companies find themselves in no-win situations.

"What people need to understand is that when an applicant presents documents to an employer that appear upon reasonable inspection to be authentic, employers have to accept those documents, even though they may later prove to be forged, invalid, or not related to that employee," he said in an e-mail.

If employers bring increased scrutiny to any individual worker, they risk running afoul of civil rights laws, he said.

Chipotle does two separate document reviews for each employee it hires.

"Nonetheless," Moran said, "many of these forgeries are extremely difficult to detect."

The result is instability in the work force and the potential loss of well-trained, productive employees.

"At the end of the day, those employees who are removed from one job simply get a job down the street with another employer," Moran said. "What you have is a lot of disruption and instability to business and employees, taxpayer money and other resources spent, and no real change to the situation."

INTO THE UNDERGROUND

Javier Morillo, president of SEIU Local 26, a union representing janitors, window cleaners and security guards with a largely immigrant membership, saw firsthand what happens after an audit and he, too, questions the feds' new direction. In November 2009, New York-based cleaning firm ABM Industries fired 1,200 SEIU-represented janitors in the Twin Cities after an audit.

Subsequently, many of the fired janitors went from $13-an-hour jobs with access to health care to what Morillo describes as an underground economy of unscrupulous employers who pay their employees under the table and off the books.


Still, based on a survey of the affected workers, only 6 percent said they were seriously considering returning to Mexico or other countries of origin.

The union estimates 760 U.S. citizen children were affected by the audit, by having a parent lose a job, and 678 houses were expected to go into foreclosure.

"Most have found jobs," said Greg Nammacher, SEIU Local 26's treasurer. "But not good jobs or consistent jobs."

One woman, Ester, 40, who moved from Morelos, Mexico, for a better life for her son and daughter, bought a house in South Minneapolis on her wages at ABM. Out of fear, she didn't want to use her last name.

Ester started work at the janitorial company in 1998, cleaning office buildings. When she came to Minnesota, she said through an interpreter, her dream was to find a job and work hard so she could move her family forward.

At first, her son and daughter were still in Mexico living with her mother.

Ester was sending money from her job back to them, motivated to improve her position so they, too, would have a better life. Eventually, the two small children joined her in Minnesota.

After she was fired, she could not find a new job and her daughter, who also is undocumented, dropped out of high school in her senior year to support the family.

Brenda, 19, now works full time for a Shakopee manufacturer. Although she is quick to say she did not "drop out" of high school — she prefers to call it a pause — she finds it hard to quit her paying job to return to school and has not yet done so.

Julie Forster can be reached at 651-228-5189.

And how many AMERICANS are looking for work right now? Sick. Absolutely sick and disgusting.

http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_17314025?source=rss
 
And how many AMERICANS are looking for work right now? Sick. Absolutely sick and disgusting.

http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_17314025?source=rss

It's not that there aren't jobs, there ARE, but many of the unemployed aren't willing to take a substantial pay cut, even if it means having a job. And when you make as much on unemployment compensation as you do working a minimum-wage job, what's the incentive to take the job? The jobs are there, but the American labor supply for the jobs is not (willing).
 
It's not that there aren't jobs, there ARE, but many of the unemployed aren't willing to take a substantial pay cut, even if it means having a job. And when you make as much on unemployment compensation as you do working a minimum-wage job, what's the incentive to take the job? The jobs are there, but the American labor supply for the jobs is not (willing).

Bullshit. Total bullshit. There are PLEANTY of Americans that will do janitorial or security services. Out of high school I was doing maintenance at $9 an hour. I had to work six, sometimes seven days a week to make a decent wage, and I wasn't covered for health.
 
Bullshit. Total bullshit. There are PLEANTY of Americans that will do janitorial or security services. Out of high school I was doing maintenance at $9 an hour. I had to work six, sometimes seven days a week to make a decent wage, and I wasn't covered for health.

Oh okay. Your personal experience several years ago is indicative of the situation all unemployed Americans face presently.
 
It's not that there aren't jobs, there ARE, but many of the unemployed aren't willing to take a substantial pay cut, even if it means having a job. And when you make as much on unemployment compensation as you do working a minimum-wage job, what's the incentive to take the job? The jobs are there, but the American labor supply for the jobs is not (willing).

I think there is a very similar situation in the UK, the youth of this country tend to be lazy fuckers and don't want to do the shit jobs as welfare money pays them more and then they spend that money on binge drinking and drugs, most immigrants do the crap jobs which is min pay because they value money more as they come from poverty, many are also inelegible for welfare so have to work to feed and house themselves. Maybe I've been watching too much Jeremy Kyle (our Jerry Springer) but the show is on everyday which 3-4 'guests ' (say 15 - 20 families a week) and they were all jobless scum that have unprotected sex and loads of kids and spend their welfare money on drink and drugs, in the months i've been watching all the 'guests' are british born and not immigrants and show little desire to ever get a job and prefer just to drink and fuck and bring a load of forsaken kids into this world.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
I think there is a very similar situation in the UK, the youth of this country tend to be lazy fuckers and don't want to do the shit jobs as welfare money pays them more and then they spend that money on binge drinking and drugs, most immigrants do the crap jobs which is min pay because they value money more as they come from poverty, many are also inelegible for welfare so have to work to feed and house themselves. Maybe I've been watching too much Jeremy Kyle (our Jerry Springer) but the show is on everyday which 3-4 'guests ' (say 15 - 20 families a week) and they were all jobless scum that have unprotected sex and loads of kids and spend their welfare money on drink and drugs, in the months i've been watching all the 'guests' are british born and not immigrants and show little desire to ever get a job and prefer just to drink and fuck and bring a load of forsaken kids into this world.
I'd like to disagree with you and say that they're not all bad, that a big problem is that the average employer regards the average worker as useless and disposable and this doesn't make for a good work atmosphere.
But sadly I must face the fact that there are some scum who would rather sit around on benefits that work. Not sure how they get away with it.

While it can't e denied that there are problems with the chavs who breed in immense quantities (is this how we'll play catch up with china?), I feel duty bound to point out that James Keir Hardy, son of a common prostitute and a john, was the only guy before WW1 to say: let's not fight, it won't all be fun and games.

Nikita Kruschev was a shephard boy if I remember right.
He was the first Soviet premiere to base Soviet missiles within striking distance of the usa.
Then, when the Cuban missile crisis looked like it could destroy the world, he was smart enough to remove them, to give up the arms parity he had gained, in order to have peace.

The point I'm making? Not everyone from a poor background is useless.
Equally however, I must admit that there are some scum among them.
 
I'd like to disagree with you and say that they're not all bad, that a big problem is that the average employer regards the average worker as useless and disposable and this doesn't make for a good work atmosphere.
But sadly I must face the fact that there are some scum who would rather sit around on benefits that work. Not sure how they get away with it.

While it can't e denied that there are problems with the chavs who breed in immense quantities (is this how we'll play catch up with china?), I feel duty bound to point out that James Keir Hardy, son of a common prostitute and a john, was the only guy before WW1 to say: let's not fight, it won't all be fun and games.

Nikita Kruschev was a shephard boy if I remember right.
He was the first Soviet premiere to base Soviet missiles within striking distance of the usa.
Then, when the Cuban missile crisis looked like it could destroy the world, he was smart enough to remove them, to give up the arms parity he had gained, in order to have peace.

The point I'm making? Not everyone from a poor background is useless.
Equally however, I must admit that there are some scum among them.

Like I said, I may have been watching too much of the Jeremy Kyle show :facepalm: Some of the vile scum on there makes me worry for the future of this country, people want to kick out immigrants but what can we do with these homegrown breeders, most pay £5 a week (from their bennies ie the taxpayer) for their kids :facepalm: Sorry for not making it clear but I don't see it as a poverty thing, a lot of the working classes are the most honest people there is but I guess only the chavs make it on these shows, I can't believe what I'm seeing sometimes, some absolutely beautiful decent women who have kids with a scumbag who grunts rather than talks and cheats on them and doesn't pay towards their own kids. :mad:
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I'm sure the fired workers were unhappy. An executive at a company I worked for several years ago was found to have falsified his academic record. It turned out that his MBA was from an unaccredited diploma mill, plus he'd juiced up several other things on his resume. He was fired. As he was making somewhere around $175K a year, he wasn't happy either.

Here's something that I would do in these situations: after an initial audit the company pays whatever the fine is now. The company is given six months to clean up its act (start using the ICE E-verify system, which it sounds like Chipotle wasn't doing in Minnesota... or Minnesota doesn't require it). Anytime after six months, there could be a follow-up audit. If the company is still found to be noncompliant, the fine is tripled and the company is suspended from doing any sort of work for or bidding on government contracts. They'd get another six months to clean up their act. After the last six months, they'd be subject to another audit (or they could apply for ONE waiver to allow them an additional three months to right things... but they'd still be suspended from govt. contracts). But after the last audit, the ("3 Strikes") fines would be ten times what the initial fine was and the company would be barred from govt. contracts for five years (give or take). The company would also be placed on a repeat offender blacklist that would be available to the public. Any subsequent violations would also receive the 10x fine and it would reset the 5 year clock to the beginning.

Years ago when I was living in the D.C. Metro area, there was an area of D.C. that had been known as a wild west open air area for prostitutes. In the late 80's/early 90's, developers bought a lot of the apartment buildings and townhouses and converted them to condos and co-ops. Hundreds of millions went into the reclamation/gentrification projects. And you can't have a bunch of girls wandering around in rubber mini-skirts if you want your project to be successful. They started out by rounding up the girls in paddy wagons every few weekends. Probably half the cops were their best customers so the girls (and pimps) knew ahead of time when the wagons would be rolling through. So that was a waste of time. But then they started confiscating the cars of the johns and putting their pictures in local newspapers... what do ya know? That worked!

Same thing here. For money, many human beings will do most anything. But if the risk is significant pain, they're less likely to do illegal things to get it. And for the states that refuse to mandate use of the ICE E-verify system for companies located in their states, cut off say 20% of their Federal highway funds. It won't take much more than a New York minute for them to fall in line too.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Like I said, I may have been watching too much of the Jeremy Kyle show :facepalm: Some of the vile scum on there makes me worry for the future of this country, people want to kick out immigrants but what can we do with these homegrown breeders, most pay £5 a week (from their bennies ie the taxpayer) for their kids :facepalm: Sorry for not making it clear but I don't see it as a poverty thing, a lot of the working classes are the most honest people there is but I guess only the chavs make it on these shows, I can't believe what I'm seeing sometimes, some absolutely beautiful decent women who have kids with a scumbag who grunts rather than talks and cheats on them and doesn't pay towards their own kids. :mad:
I've always thought that there's an inverse relationship: The worse a man is, the better a woman he gets.
You made it clear, I was making a general point rather than aiming at you.
And I agree with what I've seen you say: The problem is with the rich and powerfull fucking up this country for their own profit.
I'm sure the fired workers were unhappy. An executive at a company I worked for several years ago was found to have falsified his academic record. It turned out that his MBA was from an unaccredited diploma mill, plus he'd juiced up several other things on his resume. He was fired. As he was making somewhere around $175K a year, he wasn't happy either.
Note how the company took years to find out? Thats because the top execs never really do any work.
 

Spleen

Banned?
DEEEY TURRRK DEEERK DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR!!!!!



I Promise you half of those Americans who can't find work are just fucking lazy and using this as an excuse. The same as here in England.
 

Jane Burgess

Official Checked Star Member
It's not that there aren't jobs, there ARE, but many of the unemployed aren't willing to take a substantial pay cut, even if it means having a job. And when you make as much on unemployment compensation as you do working a minimum-wage job, what's the incentive to take the job? The jobs are there, but the American labor supply for the jobs is not (willing).


There are plenty of people that are looking for any job. A lot of places are not hiring right now or cutting back on hours. I have heard of people being turned down for jobs because they were too qualified.

There are some lazy people. I saw a show about fourth generation welfare families. The government needs to cut off people like that.
 
american minorites are just plain lazy. i know this minority chick that just has kids so she can up her food stamps. theres nothing wrong with her, shes not missing limbs. the blacks steal from the government because they feel they are still owed shit. the mexicans in this country believe texas all the way to california belong to mexico so they climb, hop and skip here illegaly.

oh and by the by, im a minority and i see it.
 
There are plenty of people that are looking for any job. A lot of places are not hiring right now or cutting back on hours. I have heard of people being turned down for jobs because they were too qualified.

There are some lazy people. I saw a show about fourth generation welfare families. The government needs to cut off people like that.

Trust me! I see generation after generation of welfare, system sucking bastards! They offer nothing in return, get free everything at my expense ,fuck and make more kids like rabbits and fucking noone is willing to stop it!
Illegals and welfare are quickly ruining this country!
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
american minorites are just plain lazy. i know this minority chick that just has kids so she can up her food stamps. theres nothing wrong with her, shes not missing limbs. the blacks steal from the government because they feel they are still owed shit. the mexicans in this country believe texas all the way to california belong to mexico so they climb, hop and skip here illegaly.

oh and by the by, im a minority and i see it.
Which minority?
Trust me! I see generation after generation of welfare, system sucking bastards! They offer nothing in return, get free everything at my expense ,fuck and make more kids like rabbits and fucking noone is willing to stop it!
Illegals and welfare are quickly ruining this country!
Have you ever relied on welfare for support?
 
Until the Gov't charges Chipotle with something, then we must assume they did not actively recruit undocumented workers.

Since some of the workers cited in this report were with Chipotle for 10 years doesn't it seem reasonable that they would earn a wage higher than minimum wage and be awarded benefits due to job performance? 10 years is a lot of time an an employer these days. People do earn raises, Bloody....

Personally, I put Chipotle more on the level of Starbucks. Given the choice to work at Chipotle versus McDonald's I'd think people would prefer Chipotle in a second. I think it's a pretty desirable place to work as is Starbucks. :dunno:
 
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