If you knew someone was committing a crime...

If you knew someone was committing criminal activity in your neighbourhood on a regular basis, would

  • Yes, I would report them to the police

    Votes: 8 66.7%
  • No, I'd say nothing

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • I would tell THEM to stop committing the crime

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Total voters
    12
Hardcore drug users will rob or murder you in a heartbeat if it meant they could get their next fix.

Actually, no, not really. This is mostly just propaganda.

According to the actual research and data collected at emergency rooms, the two most common drugs involved in violent crimes are booze and benzo. So basically the shit you pic up at the corner store, or your pharmacist and generally not your local dealer. Statistics show the relevance of other substances are pretty much insignificant. "Druggies" are much more likely to commit petty theft or prostitute themselves.
 

bobjustbob

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Actually, no, not really. This is mostly just propaganda.

According to the actual research and data collected at emergency rooms, the two most common drugs involved in violent crimes are booze and benzo. So basically the shit you pic up at the corner store, or your pharmacist and generally not your local dealer. Statistics show the relevance of other substances are pretty much insignificant. "Druggies" are much more likely to commit petty theft or prostitute themselves.

Are you to say that you wouldn't mind having drug dealers on the corners of your neighborhood as long if it's only bags of weed? Go ahead and trust that these people will keep the bad element out.
 

georges

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Staff member
Are you to say that you wouldn't mind having drug dealers on the corners of your neighborhood as long if it's only bags of weed? Go ahead and trust that these people will keep the bad element out.

indeed and well said :yesyes:
 

Ace Bandage

The one and only.
It's staggering what some of you would put up with in your neighborhood. You must live in some pretty shitty neighborhoods if you're okay with drug dealers (I don't give a fuck what they're selling - drugs are drugs) conducting their business on your street corners.

If I see any sort of suspicious behavior in my neighborhood, I'm reporting it. That's how you help prevent crime: people looking out for each other. It's not just about you. There are dozens of young kids where I live. They're not mine. But I sure as fuck don't want them to see them playing outside near some drug dealers.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. How is this even a question?
 

georges

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It's staggering what some of you would put up with in your neighborhood. You must live in some pretty shitty neighborhoods if you're okay with drug dealers (I don't give a fuck what they're selling - drugs are drugs) conducting their business on your street corners.

If I see any sort of suspicious behavior in my neighborhood, I'm reporting it. That's how you help prevent crime: people looking out for each other. It's not just about you. There are dozens of young kids where I live. They're not mine. But I sure as fuck don't want them to see them playing outside near some drug dealers.
You are correct but some people wanted the legislation of some drugs like Marijuana and Cannabis changed, now you see the downside effects of having a laxist legislation against drugs. If reporting drug dealers doesn't help and that they don't move of street corner perhaps beating the shit out of them might help. A drug dealer is a criminal and is a dirtbag, he is selling drugs that belongs to colombian or mexican cartels and which kills innocent people, his role shouldn't be minimized when it comes to drug trafficking or even racketeering. Once a criminal always a criminal, period.
 
For dealing drugs No. I actually live across the road from a family of drug dealers, yeah on the odd occasion the police come round and we may get the odd bit of trouble nothing too bad just a bit of handbags but apart from that there no trouble. What they get up to in there own house is there business it's got nothing to do with me. As long as it doesn't hurt me or my family I really don't care, if they did then obviously I would call the police.
 
Are you to say that you wouldn't mind having drug dealers on the corners of your neighborhood as long if it's only bags of weed? Go ahead and trust that these people will keep the bad element out.

That really has nothing to do with my post. But, really, most of the weed dealers I've known in my time are suburbanite teens and twenty-something from decently well-off families who caused no problems, held down day jobs, and who sold out of their homes, or actually even made house calls. Not sketchy, greasy guys named Spider standing on street corners.

The vast majority of real problems I've ever encounter in the neighborhoods I've lived in or visited (which have generally been fairly nice) have involved whiskey-swigging drunks getting into domestic shit with their wives and girlfriends. So... I guess if you're worried about the bad element maybe you should be pushing for the return of prohibition?

...like Marijuana and Cannabis...

Those are the same thing.

If reporting drug dealers doesn't help and that they don't move of street corner perhaps beating the shit out of them might help. A drug dealer is a criminal and is a dirtbag, he is selling drugs that belongs to colombian or mexican cartels and which kills innocent people, his role shouldn't be minimized when it comes to drug trafficking or even racketeering. Once a criminal always a criminal, period.

My best friend growing up sold weed in his mid-to-late teens. So did his girlfriend actually. He and some people he knew grew it. None of them were Mexican, nor Colombian nor involved in any organized crime. They were all actually middle class, white, suburbanite kids. He sold it out of his parents' two story backsplit. His father worked construction, his mother was a cashier at a local grocery store. He primarily sold weed to suit-wearing types in their thirties and forties, sometimes parents of kids we knew from school. He wasn't in any trouble. Never been in a fight. Didn't own any weapons. Never stole (never had to, after all he had money because he was selling weed to paper pushers).

So... yeah.
 

bobjustbob

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Sorry Happy, it has everything to do with the subject. This was your response to "Pills, weed, wizz - outside a school - not selling to the kids though. The school area seems to be his meeting place."

So what exactly are they doing that you think is worth burning them for? Sounds like they're selling to adults who can make their own decisions. Is it just because people are getting messed up on their wares? Because that would include every bartender, liquor store owner and person running a corner store who sells beer. Are they avoiding taxes? Because tax shelters and capital gains let the wealthy do that. So what...? Are they involved in organized crime and breaking peoples' legs on the weekend? Are they driving down your property values? What exactly are they doing?

Have you no conception of quality of life? Do you think corner drug dealers care who they sell to? How are you sure that only the finest of citizens looking for a buzz are their only clientele? You don't. Even if your friends and family are doing it you still don't know who they are selling to. This is not a debate about the legalization of drugs. It's about illegal activity happening outside your door. And don't try making the comparison to alcohol either. It is legal to sell and consume inside of controlled quarters. If someone is drunk and disorderly in my establishment or home, I am responsible for their conduct and safety. Does your corner bag seller take on these responsibilities?
 

Harley Spencer

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Why do you think drugs should be legalised? You don't really provide a reason.

And your assumption that "...it's none of my business..." I don't agree with. Hardcore drug users will rob or murder you in a heartbeat if it meant they could get their next fix. Should people be allowed to murder each other too? Because what if they have a good reason to do so, that's also none of our business too. In the U.K. drug dealers have been known to sell drugs to kids at primary schools (school for children 5-10), I guess if we legalised drugs they could serve it when they get their lunches.

Happy's post below is pretty much my reasoning, as far as how I feel about drug dealers anyway. As for why I think it should be legalized, that's for a whole other topic. The reason I didn't expand on it is because it'd be off topic and derailing the thread. If you want to make a thread to argue about whether drugs should be legalized or not, feel free, but that's not what this thread is about.

That really has nothing to do with my post. But, really, most of the weed dealers I've known in my time are suburbanite teens and twenty-something from decently well-off families who caused no problems, held down day jobs, and who sold out of their homes, or actually even made house calls. Not sketchy, greasy guys named Spider standing on street corners.

The vast majority of real problems I've ever encounter in the neighborhoods I've lived in or visited (which have generally been fairly nice) have involved whiskey-swigging drunks getting into domestic shit with their wives and girlfriends. So... I guess if you're worried about the bad element maybe you should be pushing for the return of prohibition?

Those are the same thing.

My best friend growing up sold weed in his mid-to-late teens. So did his girlfriend actually. He and some people he knew grew it. None of them were Mexican, nor Colombian nor involved in any organized crime. They were all actually middle class, white, suburbanite kids. He sold it out of his parents' two story backsplit. His father worked construction, his mother was a cashier at a local grocery store. He primarily sold weed to suit-wearing types in their thirties and forties, sometimes parents of kids we knew from school. He wasn't in any trouble. Never been in a fight. Didn't own any weapons. Never stole (never had to, after all he had money because he was selling weed to paper pushers).

So... yeah.

^ Exactly this.

I've known drug dealers before, and none of them were creepy, scary, aggressive, pedophiles, rapists, murderers, etc. They were just normal people. In fact, I've lived with a guy who dealt drugs, primarily weed, and I've taken part in doing my own share of drugs in the past. None of the harder ones like crack, heroin, or meth, but I've smoked plenty of pot and done a number of hallucinogenic drugs. That's my business, and if some dickhead wanted to report me to the cops for doing drugs, the fuck would be his justification? Who was I hurting? No one.

I've never been around any drug dealers who were acting out of line. Sure, dealing drugs in and of itself is illegal, but it's not hurting me, and so long as they aren't going around shooting people, robbing stores, stabbing people, raping people, breaking into people's houses and cars, damaging property, or anything else that's otherwise harming others, then I don't care.
 
Sorry Happy, it has everything to do with the subject.

Who said anything about the subject, I said my post.

Have you no conception of quality of life? Do you think corner drug dealers care who they sell to?

I think they're individuals... people, just like everyone else. It's like asking, "Do you think the guy running the corner store cares who he sells booze and smokes to!?" Some do, some don't. Why not report or not based on that?

This is not a debate about the legalization of drugs. It's about illegal activity happening outside your door. And don't try making the comparison to alcohol either. It is legal to sell and consume inside of controlled quarters.

Sorry Bob, it has everything to do with the subject, and in this case your post too...

Are you to say that you wouldn't mind having drug dealers on the corners of your neighborhood as long if it's only bags of weed? Go ahead and trust that these people will keep the bad element out.

... you can't sit here and paint all drug dealers as scum who bring around a bad element and ignore that plenty of other perfectly legal substances and the people who sell and abuse them are, according to the statistics, worse in that respect. You can't then also suggest that this needs to be handled differently quite simply because it's a crime without addressing why it is a crime, and why something statistically worse in regards to your objections is not.

If someone is drunk and disorderly in my establishment or home, I am responsible for their conduct and safety. Does your corner bag seller take on these responsibilities?

If you buy a bottle of vodka at the corner store than take it home get drunk and beat your wife do they arrest the guy who runs the store you bought your bottle at? Just curious where you think personal responsibility is supposed to begin and end here...
 

georges

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Staff member
1) I think they're individuals... people, just like everyone else. It's like asking, "Do you think the guy running the corner store cares who he sells booze and smokes to!?" Some do, some don't. Why not report or not based on that?
2)... you can't sit here and paint all drug dealers as scum who bring around a bad element and ignore that plenty of other perfectly legal substances and the people who sell and abuse them are, according to the statistics, worse in that respect. You can't then also suggest that this needs to be handled differently quite simply because it's a crime without addressing why it is a crime, and why something statistically worse in regards to your objections is not.
You seem to treat drug dealers as normal people when it fact they are just criminals with a record. No, they are bad elements whether you like it or not and they are often intermediates of cartels or gangs. No, they need to be handled with force and sent back to their shitty suburbs or behind bars, places where they belong to.
 
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