'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old girl

[Jon S.]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

I'm going to be blunt and brief. The military is all about bodies needed! They don't give a rat's ass if you are "fucked in the head" so long as you are a breathing body to fill a quota. Aside from officers, those in the military are not those with a great future ahead of them outside the military. Basically "grunts" are not those in our society that really have that much going for them. Is it a coincidence that you always see recruitment centers in "depressed" malls.....you know....the one "they" go to? Of course it isn't! It wasn't that long ago that there was a scandal about recruiters getting recruits to omit certain things about themselves.....and in cases to outright lie....so they would be accepted as a recruit! When you need lots of people to fill your needs/quotas.....it only stands to reason that you will scrape the bottom of the barrel. Point in fact, they even were setting records for waivers for those with criminal convictions (including non-violent felonies) even.

That being said....in this case, as in others, it's a matter of which came first: the chicken or the egg? In other words, was he fucked in the head when he entered the military....or did his experiences in the military really cause him to be fucked in the head? Personally, I subscribe to the belief that people are usually fucked in the head to begin with.....all it takes is a little stimuli to get those "fires" ignited. Sadly, the military doesn't put people through real psychological testing to weed them out before hand. They really don't care! They just want the body to fill the need. They figure they can "weed out" those who are fucked in the head at a later date! And sad cases such as this, suicides, murder-suicides, and other sad cases are the net result! And yet, by their own actions, the military doesn't really care! They claim they do....but actions speak louder than words!

I was lucky enough that I had other things going for me & I didn't NEED to join the military, but I do come from a family with a strong military background! So, I have a deep respect for those who have the guts to serve at a time of war & put their lives on the line! It's DEFINITELY NOT my cup of tea! I just wish the military would at least attempt to weed out the nut jobs, and those of weak mental stability BEFORE they crack! Society would be a better place for it!

I mean, would you give a child molester a job at a daycare center? Would you give a pyromaniac a job at a gas station? Of course not! So why not do some type of REAL mental screening of recruits before we allow them to join the military & then place them into real mentally challenging situations? But, it's all about the bodies....nothing else!

 

[vodkazvictim]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

Iraq: Bad Intelligence brought on by years of decay following the cold war.

Afghanistan: Taliban gave the U.S. the run around instead of handing over Bin Laden after 9/11. If they had told us where and when to find him, the Americans might have been gone before Jan. 1st 2002.



Yeah nice sarcasm. Seeing that we've had literally millions of troops cycle through Iraq and Afghanistan and these cases are in the extreme minority.



Aren't you one of those guys who cries when someone bashes Islam after another terrorist attack?

More like bad intelligence caused by believing what you want to believe searching for any justification to attack a country you've already decided to attack.
Not read Fiasco, have we?

Yes, it's all the fault of america's enemies for (quel surprise) not co-operating

Extreme minority? We hear about them all the time, and that's just the ones we hear about in our biassed western press!
You know for every dead soldier you hear about you don't hear about 4 severe injuries (eg severed limbs).

Aren't you one of the guys who refuses to accept any possibility of anything other than what he wants to believe being the truth?
Isn't that the same problem as believing faulty intelligence that led to the current fiascos because you wanted to?
You honestly never think twice about what you believe, do you? You just go ahead, paint a rosy picture where you and your ilk are never wrong and believe in it.
I really just want to reply to you with:
"Shut up."

I'm going to be blunt and brief. The military is all about bodies needed! They don't give a rat's ass if you are "fucked in the head" so long as you are a breathing body to fill a quota. Aside from officers, those in the military are not those with a great future ahead of them outside the military. Basically "grunts" are not those in our society that really have that much going for them. Is it a coincidence that you always see recruitment centers in "depressed" malls.....you know....the one "they" go to? Of course it isn't! It wasn't that long ago that there was a scandal about recruiters getting recruits to omit certain things about themselves.....and in cases to outright lie....so they would be accepted as a recruit! When you need lots of people to fill your needs/quotas.....it only stands to reason that you will scrape the bottom of the barrel. Point in fact, they even were setting records for waivers for those with criminal convictions (including non-violent felonies) even.

That being said....in this case, as in others, it's a matter of which came first: the chicken or the egg? In other words, was he fucked in the head when he entered the military....or did his experiences in the military really cause him to be fucked in the head? Personally, I subscribe to the belief that people are usually fucked in the head to begin with.....all it takes is a little stimuli to get those "fires" ignited. Sadly, the military doesn't put people through real psychological testing to weed them out before hand. They really don't care! They just want the body to fill the need. They figure they can "weed out" those who are fucked in the head at a later date! And sad cases such as this, suicides, murder-suicides, and other sad cases are the net result! And yet, by their own actions, the military doesn't really care! They claim they do....but actions speak louder than words!

I was lucky enough that I had other things going for me & I didn't NEED to join the military, but I do come from a family with a strong military background! So, I have a deep respect for those who have the guts to serve at a time of war & put their lives on the line! It's DEFINITELY NOT my cup of tea! I just wish the military would at least attempt to weed out the nut jobs, and those of weak mental stability BEFORE they crack! Society would be a better place for it!

I mean, would you give a child molester a job at a daycare center? Would you give a pyromaniac a job at a gas station? Of course not! So why not do some type of REAL mental screening of recruits before we allow them to join the military & then place them into real mentally challenging situations? But, it's all about the bodies....nothing else!

We need fresh feet for the grinder, which leads to:

Thankfully the us army applies the rules strictly to procurement of new vehicles:

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

You hate America.

 

[GregCentauro]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

warfare brings out the inner psychopath.

This. The varnish of civilization is very thin. People keep asking "How could this happen?". The way I understand human nature, the question is wrongly put. Why doesn't stuff like that happen more frequently? Whenever humans perceive to have absolute power over others - like in the assumed lawlessness of wartime - the inner beast is unleashed. The guys who commit war crimes are just plain ordinary folks.

Sad, isn't it?

 

[vodkazvictim]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

This. The varnish of civilization is very thin. People keep asking "How could this happen?". The way I understand human nature, the question is wrongly put. Why doesn't stuff like that happen more frequently? Whenever humans perceive to have absolute power over others - like in the assumed lawlessness of wartime - the inner beast is unleashed. The guys who commit war crimes are just plain ordinary folks.

Sad, isn't it?

It rubs the lotion on it's skin or it gets the buckshot.
*cocks shotgun*

 

[timon]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

Iraq: Bad Intelligence brought on by years of decay following the cold war.

Afghanistan: Taliban gave the U.S. the run around instead of handing over Bin Laden after 9/11. If they had told us where and when to find him, the Americans might have been gone before Jan. 1st 2002.



Yeah nice sarcasm. Seeing that we've had literally millions of troops cycle through Iraq and Afghanistan and these cases are in the extreme minority.



Aren't you one of those guys who cries when someone bashes Islam after another terrorist attack?

Iraq: looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
This is what is called the excuse is worse than the sin !!
Afghanstan If any country in the world asked the US to give the G.W.Bush or any other american hero ((according 2 the american people)) as a war criminal will they give them 2 those countries ?? for 9\11 it is inside job btw
and if not then kill thousands of american people just for Bush life
((Its all about economic resources ((oil in Iraq -Afgh)) about stopping other nations from growing up ((Iran-and the whole gulf area ))...etc

I am not saying this 4 sarcasm but because I know that beside bad acts this soldier commetit and he must be punished 4 it BUT I still no that the real guilty man The major criminal in such a case it the 1 who is responsible for puting these soldiers in such a situation ((No cause to fight 4 it))

And I hate it when they relate Islam to miltiants like ((taliban-hazab allah-hmaas)) those groups I am not defending the 1 who commit such an acts on the contrary cI hate them cuz 1st of all they are not fighting 4 islam as they say cuz islam didnt order us to kill civillians or even soldiers that they lost their or become out of ammo during the war ((so how come u dont want me to get angry when some 1 compare such agreat relgion with thos those terrorists and they are doing this for there own interest so as the US do .

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

It's not fair to besmirch the entire US military. But this is what happen when the leaders believe that you have to destroy a village to save it.

That was Vietnam. Part of the reason why these operations are so tedious now adays is to avoid casualties. Indeed, the vast majority of the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan can be attributed to Muslim on Muslim violence.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

Iraq: looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
This is what is called the excuse is worse than the sin !!
Afghanstan If any country in the world asked the US to give the G.W.Bush or any other american hero ((according 2 the american people)) as a war criminal will they give them 2 those countries ?? for 9\11 it is inside job btw
and if not then kill thousands of american people just for Bush life
((Its all about economic resources ((oil in Iraq -Afgh)) about stopping other nations from growing up ((Iran-and the whole gulf area ))...etc

I am not saying this 4 sarcasm but because I know that beside bad acts this soldier commetit and he must be punished 4 it BUT I still no that the real guilty man The major criminal in such a case it the 1 who is responsible for puting these soldiers in such a situation ((No cause to fight 4 it))

And I hate it when they relate Islam to miltiants like ((taliban-hazab allah-hmaas)) those groups I am not defending the 1 who commit such an acts on the contrary cI hate them cuz 1st of all they are not fighting 4 islam as they say cuz islam didnt order us to kill civillians or even soldiers that they lost their or become out of ammo during the war ((so how come u dont want me to get angry when some 1 compare such agreat relgion with thos those terrorists and they are doing this for there own interest so as the US do .

Is Osama Bin Laden a Hero to Muslims? Think hard before you answer.

Now the real question is: If America was facing a massive invasion would it be wise to give up GWB? Probably, especially in light of the evidence.

Now answer the question: Why do Muslims suddenly get amnesia when it comes to Muslim on non-Muslim violence? Why can't folks like yourself, even a Muslim who visits a Western porn forum, admit what Muslims have been up to the last 1400+ years?


Because you only cry when it's Muslims getting hurt, that's why. Infidels/Kafirs don't matter in your book.


Just like you don't mind looking at Western chicks do you? But you wouldn't like it if one of those Infidels or Kafirs wanted to marry your sister. Because it's not allowed in your religion--but once again--it's allowed for a Muslim guy. Muslims are hypocrites and the religion is full of double standards. It's okay to do almost anything to the non-Muslim, but if that Infidel wants to retaliate he/she has committed a great sin.



Oh and you say 9/11 is an inside job, but many other Muslims don't doubt at all that the "evil" American and Westerners are responsible for the problems befalling Muslims.


How is it that Muslims (and survey after survey show this) are certain that they didn't commit the terrorist attacks on 9/11 (or many other terrorist attacks) but they're sure it's non-Muslims behind why your countries are so screwed up? Because they are hypocrites and accept NO blame for when Muslims do something to non-Muslims. Just like your folks crying about the Crusades whenever you get the chance but never mention the fact that you were occupying large parts of Europe for hundreds of years before the Crusades even began. Just like you cry about Afghanistan but don't mention the decades of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims.

 

[pete rose]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

Yeah nice sarcasm.

Thanks! Good to see your meter is working.

 

[Facetious]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

was timothy mcveigh a muslim? how about the weathermen?

What about the weathermen? Both of the goons are still very strident in their radicalism.
Look em up!

treasonous shits!




On the other front . . . Out of all of the noteworthy military conflicts ongoing in the world today, how many of those conflicts include aggressive muslims who refuse to get along with their non muslim neighbors?

 

[vodkazvictim]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

Iraq: looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
This is what is called the excuse is worse than the sin !!
Afghanstan If any country in the world asked the US to give the G.W.Bush or any other american hero ((according 2 the american people)) as a war criminal will they give them 2 those countries ?? for 9\11 it is inside job btw
and if not then kill thousands of american people just for Bush life
((Its all about economic resources ((oil in Iraq -Afgh)) about stopping other nations from growing up ((Iran-and the whole gulf area ))...etc

I am not saying this 4 sarcasm but because I know that beside bad acts this soldier commetit and he must be punished 4 it BUT I still no that the real guilty man The major criminal in such a case it the 1 who is responsible for puting these soldiers in such a situation ((No cause to fight 4 it))

And I hate it when they relate Islam to miltiants like ((taliban-hazab allah-hmaas)) those groups I am not defending the 1 who commit such an acts on the contrary cI hate them cuz 1st of all they are not fighting 4 islam as they say cuz islam didnt order us to kill civillians or even soldiers that they lost their or become out of ammo during the war ((so how come u dont want me to get angry when some 1 compare such agreat relgion with thos those terrorists and they are doing this for there own interest so as the US do .

I like you, so don't be offended when I ask you to improve your English.
Were you drunk/stoned when posting this? Normally your posts are more lucid. Perhaps you typed it very fast as it's a passionate issue for you?

Is Osama Bin Laden a Hero to Muslims? Think hard before you answer.

Now the real question is: If America was facing a massive invasion would it be wise to give up GWB? Probably, especially in light of the evidence.

Now answer the question: Why do Muslims suddenly get amnesia when it comes to Muslim on non-Muslim violence? Why can't folks like yourself, even a Muslim who visits a Western porn forum, admit what Muslims have been up to the last 1400+ years?


Because you only cry when it's Muslims getting hurt, that's why. Infidels/Kafirs don't matter in your book.


Just like you don't mind looking at Western chicks do you? But you wouldn't like it if one of those Infidels or Kafirs wanted to marry your sister. Because it's not allowed in your religion--but once again--it's allowed for a Muslim guy. Muslims are hypocrites and the religion is full of double standards. It's okay to do almost anything to the non-Muslim, but if that Infidel wants to retaliate he/she has committed a great sin.



Oh and you say 9/11 is an inside job, but many other Muslims don't doubt at all that the "evil" American and Westerners are responsible for the problems befalling Muslims.


How is it that Muslims (and survey after survey show this) are certain that they didn't commit the terrorist attacks on 9/11 (or many other terrorist attacks) but they're sure it's non-Muslims behind why your countries are so screwed up? Because they are hypocrites and accept NO blame for when Muslims do something to non-Muslims. Just like your folks crying about the Crusades whenever you get the chance but never mention the fact that you were occupying large parts of Europe for hundreds of years before the Crusades even began. Just like you cry about Afghanistan but don't mention the decades of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims.

You ask a Moslem wether Bin Laden is a hero to Moslem's and tell him to think hard before he answers?
So let me get this straight: You, a non-Moslem, who apparently knows no Moslems, seem to think you know more than a Moslem living in Moslem lands? (Egypt if I remember his locale correctly).

Now ask yourself about all the sins you claim Moslem's have committed in the last years:

You know there was a Caliph who encouraged philosophical debates between Moslem, Christian and Jewish scholars?

I'm converting to Orthodox Christianity and I can tell you from my studies so far that the Moslems view Jesus as a prophet, the bible as semi-holy and therefore treat Christians better than they do pagans.

I can also tell you that when the Turkish Moslem's of the Ottoman era were in control of Greece they showed relative mercy to the Orthodox inhabitants:
1: There were no forced conversions.
2: Christians were allowed to worship on sundays.
3: In a sense Islam was the protector of Orthodoxy during this period. In fact during some periods of history when Orthodoxy has been in conflict with the Latin sectors of the church they've said they'd rather have seen the Moslem Turban in power over cities than the Latin Mitre.

During one such period of inter-Christian conflict it was even said the crusaders from Rome were less merciful than Moslem saracens.

Elz3im has a history of posting belly-dancers pics and pics of pretty girls from the Arabic world on this forum. So not only is he a better contributor to the board than you, but he has not been selfish with Moslem woman at all (somethign you accused him of).

Now remember this: The guys who carried out 9/11 may have claimed to be Moslems, but Moslems disown them; they're not Moslems.

The guys who're resisting foreign forces on their soil are resistance fighters.
How can they be terrorists when they're fighting soldiers in their own back yards? They're just trying to get foreign soldiers off their countries soil.
I'll tell you what is terrorism though: "shock and awe". Exact same principle as terrorism.

Now if I remember correctly you're the same person who seemed to think he knew more about Russia than me and tried to lecture me about Russia and you're now trying to lecture Elz3im about Moslems and Moslem nations, so I want you to do 3 things:

1: Go to Elz3im's profile, look at his post history and see all the pics of pretty mid-eastern gals he's posted.

2: Read The Orthodox Church (new edition) Timothy Ware (Bishop Kallistos of Diokleia), Penguin books, second edition, 1997, ISBN 0-14-014656-3 for details on how Islam hasn't always been an agressive religion (I'm not denying that in some cases it has been or still is on occasion).

3: Stop telling people who know way more about things than you do about them. It annoys me. And probably others.

Of course, if you're not the same guy as tried to lecture me about Russia, then I'm sorry, case of mistaken identity

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

I like you, so don't be offended when I ask you to improve your English.
Were you drunk/stoned when posting this? Normally your posts are more lucid. Perhaps you typed it very fast as it's a passionate issue for you?

You ask a Moslem wether Bin Laden is a hero to Moslem's and tell him to think hard before he answers?
So let me get this straight: You, a non-Moslem, who apparently knows no Moslems, seem to think you know more than a Moslem living in Moslem lands? (Egypt if I remember his locale correctly).

Now ask yourself about all the sins you claim Moslem's have committed in the last years:

You know there was a Caliph who encouraged philosophical debates between Moslem, Christian and Jewish scholars?

I'm converting to Orthodox Christianity and I can tell you from my studies so far that the Moslems view Jesus as a prophet, the bible as semi-holy and therefore treat Christians better than they do pagans.

I can also tell you that when the Turkish Moslem's of the Ottoman era were in control of Greece they showed relative mercy to the Orthodox inhabitants:
1: There were no forced conversions.
2: Christians were allowed to worship on sundays.
3: In a sense Islam was the protector of Orthodoxy during this period. In fact during some periods of history when Orthodoxy has been in conflict with the Latin sectors of the church they've said they'd rather have seen the Moslem Turban in power over cities than the Latin Mitre.

During one such period of inter-Christian conflict it was even said the crusaders from Rome were less merciful than Moslem saracens.

Elz3im has a history of posting belly-dancers pics and pics of pretty girls from the Arabic world on this forum. So not only is he a better contributor to the board than you, but he has not been selfish with Moslem woman at all (somethign you accused him of).

Now remember this: The guys who carried out 9/11 may have claimed to be Moslems, but Moslems disown them; they're not Moslems.

The guys who're resisting foreign forces on their soil are resistance fighters.
How can they be terrorists when they're fighting soldiers in their own back yards? They're just trying to get foreign soldiers off their countries soil.
I'll tell you what is terrorism though: "shock and awe". Exact same principle as terrorism.

Now if I remember correctly you're the same person who seemed to think he knew more about Russia than me and tried to lecture me about Russia and you're now trying to lecture Elz3im about Moslems and Moslem nations, so I want you to do 3 things:

1: Go to Elz3im's profile, look at his post history and see all the pics of pretty mid-eastern gals he's posted.

2: Read The Orthodox Church (new edition) Timothy Ware (Bishop Kallistos of Diokleia), Penguin books, second edition, 1997, ISBN 0-14-014656-3 for details on how Islam hasn't always been an agressive religion (I'm not denying that in some cases it has been or still is on occasion).

3: Stop telling people who know way more about things than you do about them. It annoys me. And probably others.

Of course, if you're not the same guy as tried to lecture me about Russia, then I'm sorry, case of mistaken identity

Hey darling, if you are bent out of shape over something I said, reply to that post not piggy back on another. I'm not replying to this rambling essay because it strays waaay too far from the topic I'm speaking on. What was that you were saying about Stalin again....

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

^^^^
You're the same guy who tried to argue with me on Joseph Stalin even though I hadn't praised him at all.

How they view Jesus is to give themselves legitimacy and as a conversion tactic. The teachings of Jesus and that of Muhammad are diametrically opposed, so either Jesus is wrong or Muhammad is wrong. Muslims think Jesus (or the Christian interpretation of Jesus) is wrong and vice versa. The problem for the non-Muslim in Muslim majority countries is that they dare not openly challenge it.

As for the treatment of Christianity vs. Paganism-the only option for Arabian pagans was conversion or death so anything better than that --including oppression and humiliation, might seem better than death. I.E. you set a very low standard for acceptable treatment.

On Muslim murder of Greeks, outrageous Ignorance on your part. This wasn't the only time Pontic Greeks were massacred by Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

That's just a couple in reply. I don't have time for all of this stuff.

 

[Ace Bandage]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

So... Iraqis are people? :dunno: Huh, are they sure? That seems like an awfully radical idea to me...

 

[vodkazvictim]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

^^^^
You're the same guy who tried to argue with me on Joseph Stalin even though I hadn't praised him at all.

How they view Jesus is to give themselves legitimacy and as a conversion tactic. The teachings of Jesus and that of Muhammad are diametrically opposed, so either Jesus is wrong or Muhammad is wrong. Muslims think Jesus (or the Christian interpretation of Jesus) is wrong and vice versa. The problem for the non-Muslim in Muslim majority countries is that they dare not openly challenge it.

As for the treatment of Christianity vs. Paganism-the only option for Arabian pagans was conversion or death so anything better than that --including oppression and humiliation, might seem better than death. I.E. you set a very low standard for acceptable treatment.

On Muslim murder of Greeks, outrageous Ignorance on your part. This wasn't the only time Pontic Greeks were massacred by Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

That's just a couple in reply. I don't have time for all of this stuff.

I admitted to being mistaken on the Stalin thing. So what? You're still telling people about things they know more about than you.

No, how they view Jesus is how they view Jesus. AS A PROPHET. Second time I'm telling you.
Oh shit, I'm sorry, perhaps you know all about Islom, why don't you tell me about it, 'cos you know all about it, right? Because you're a Moslem, right?

For the most part the Moslems treated the Greeks reasonably (OK, not perfectly, but they could've been a lot worse), check the book I told you about.
You don't have time for all this stuff just like you don't have time for the Russia stuff - because you're dead fucking wrong and you don't wanna admit it, check sources or think things through.

Wait, I think I'll just tell you I work for Fox, then I could tell you that america has a secret moon base and you'd take it as gospel.
See whut ah did thar? Hur hur hur!

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

I admitted to being mistaken on the Stalin thing. So what? You're still telling people about things they know more about than you.

No, how they view Jesus is how they view Jesus. AS A PROPHET. Second time I'm telling you.
Oh shit, I'm sorry, perhaps you know all about Islom, why don't you tell me about it, 'cos you know all about it, right? Because you're a Moslem, right?

For the most part the Moslems treated the Greeks reasonably (OK, not perfectly, but they could've been a lot worse), check the book I told you about.
You don't have time for all this stuff just like you don't have time for the Russia stuff - because you're dead fucking wrong and you don't wanna admit it, check sources or think things through.

Wait, I think I'll just tell you I work for Fox, then I could tell you that america has a secret moon base and you'd take it as gospel.
See whut ah did thar? Hur hur hur!

You even have me pegged as a FOX news watcher, how cute.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

You even have me pegged as a FOX news watcher, how cute.

If the shoe fits... :dunno:

 

[Crazy4theBrat]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

That is normal thing when there is no cause to fight 4 ((WMD-Sdaam-....etc)) and u have the absolute power why are US army went 2 Iraq and Afghanstan !!

No cause to fight for?????? Are you kidding????? How about if we also discuss about all the innocent people who were killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks? Or how about if we start talking about all the little girls who were raped and murdered at the hands of saddam hussein and his sons?

There was plenty of cause to fight in iraq and afghanistan. Ragheads attacked the United States and someone needed to pay. Saddam was as good as anyone else to make an example out of.

 

[CunningStunts]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

Everyone is insane... it's just a matter of degree. And it certainly doesn't EXCUSE behavior. :2 cents:

 

[Ulysses31]

Re: 'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says soldier who raped & killed 14 yr old g

No cause to fight for?????? Are you kidding????? How about if we also discuss about all the innocent people who were killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks? Or how about if we start talking about all the little girls who were raped and murdered at the hands of saddam hussein and his sons?

There was plenty of cause to fight in iraq and afghanistan. Ragheads attacked the United States and someone needed to pay. Saddam was as good as anyone else to make an example out of.

I've said it before and I'll say it again Saddam is exactly the type of brutal tyrant that the melting pot that is Iraq needed to maintain stability. Look what's happened since he was displaced, the FANATICS have come in and are killing everyone. Very soon every Christian (who Saddam protected in his secular non muslim government) in Iraq will either be dead or have to flee the country as the radicals that Saddam suppressed are free to wreak havoc. For this reason Bin Laden and the radicals hated Saddam as he come down hard on any radicals in Iraq, with him gone you're gonna see a lot of radicals coming from Iraq to wage war on the US, especially ones that lost family in the conflict and not to mention a now Shia governed Iraq joining forces with Shia Iran .

And what example have you set. Saddam had a crap army no planes, no tanks, no ships and no big guns yet you spent 7 years in Iraq and just left with your tail between your legs and a country in chaos. This very thread is a testament to how your troops are cracking under the pressure. The way I see it 10 years ago no one dared challenge the US as they feared what the US military could do, now after these atrocious Iraq and Afghanistan wars which Obama is desperately trying to squirm out of you get countries like Iran, Venezuela and North Korea all mouthing off and pushing the limit as they've seen the US struggle to defeat a bunch of ragheads as you call them and they know the US can't fight another war, you have neither the money or the public and international support. And most of those 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan yet you don't say shit or do shit to them countries, they might as well just laugh in your face.