Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Nope, just answered the question. My answer is based in the thought, that as long as we can fight back, we are free. That's all.
How Close Is the USA to Socialism?
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Nope, just answered the question. My answer is based in the thought, that as long as we can fight back, we are free. That's all.
The circumstances dictate if some entity is too big to fail. Certainly we could not afford the risk of allowing all of these giants to fail at relatively the same time while we were already in the midst of serious economic trouble.
What's wrong with the government loan industry money??? That what this is...The government loans money all the time to students in order to educate themselves. I don't see the necessary principle distinction.
The people who voted for George Bush twice are the only people who think we're headed to Socialism, not that they know what Socialism is. We've tried debating Socialism vs Capitalism vs Communism. The Dubya voters think Socialism is Communism and are too lazy to learn the difference. Hell, if Dubya voters bothered to actually travel beyond the farm/ranch/church to Europe, they might see how far behind in "quality of life" that America really is...
The pie graph is very interesting....
The pie graph is very interesting....
I agree.
If Americans think that Obama is socialist, then they'e deluded.
I do think that some genuine socialism would help the USA though.
It's been a while since I was over there, but when I visited, I was surprised at the diversity in wealth between the very very wealthy and the very poor
was very noticable (and I didn't even visit the very poor regions of the USA).
There is a lot I admire about the USA and it's people : but for supposedly the richest nation on earth, the level of poverty over there was shocking.
Being originally from Mexico, still having some family and friends over there, and knowing a lot of people from south of the border, from Tijuana to Matamoros in the north all the way south to freaking Managua and hearing horror stories about their "quality of life", I can see how far AHEAD the quality of life is here in the U.S.
About Europe, France, Germany recently elected more conservative PM's, Italy with Berlusconi, hell, the European Union recently just had elections and the socialists were defeated. The world tried socialism, doesn't work, moving back to what's right -- center right
http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2009-06-08_108366534.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rst-blow-for-european-extremists-1698157.html
And European socialists now considering changing their name to "Democrats"
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2...idering-changing-their-name-to-democrats.html
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Hmmm. I suppose I could be wrong on this: When did Mexico enter the European Union? Mexico's quality of life and stability would improve if it stopped playing second fiddle to Global or American Corporate interests. Mexico also has a gang/drug problem it probably should decide to do something about? Addressing those two things would go a long way to address quality of life. The vast majority of migrant Mexican workers in Cali and Texas don't even want to stay in America. They want to go back to Mexico to live there. What does that tell you?
Hmmm. I suppose I could be wrong on this: When did Mexico enter the European Union? Mexico's quality of life and stability would improve if it stopped playing second fiddle to Global or American Corporate interests. Mexico also has a gang/drug problem it probably should decide to do something about? Addressing those two things would go a long way to address quality of life. The vast majority of migrant Mexican workers in Cali and Texas don't even want to stay in America. They want to go back to Mexico to live there. What does that tell you?
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
He finally confessed before he got banned. Who got the over/under on this one right?
What an asshole....glad he's gone.
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Yeah, and I just saw an article yesterday about how in the last 6 months (maybe more) the number of Mexicans returning to Mexico exceeded the number coming into the States.
Oh, so that's what that rant was....
Makes me wonder if any of the dudes I'm arguing with here are under 18. It's not like it would be hard to fake it...
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
correct me if i'm incorrect but when a government supports the poor with the main criteria being unwed with cildren meanwhile taxes the working into being in the same financial status of those who live off of government handouts, therefore creating a society where most are economically equal regardless of how much you produce for that society.........isnt that somewhat are perhaps totally socialist?
That all depends on what you mean by socialism and what you are prepared to do to get it and what you want to use it for.
It is a truism that people have difficulty in looking ahead and fixing policy decisions to those realities. Nobody will disagree with you that America in 1850 and 1950 were radically different places and had, as well as needed, radically different policies that reflected the two cultures of the time. In contrast, you can have an extremely difficult time explaining that policies and cultures from 1950 to 2050 will by necessity need to be as different again. It may be that the problems ahead will need socialist solutions: nailing all your responses to an ideology, even if it was one that worked wonderfully in the past will eventually get you. (See every failed empire.) All the above is not new - it is stolen from Thomas Paine.
There does seem to be a change in the ground water concerning health care. There will be an awful lot of people with a lot less benefits come the next election cycle. Trust me on this, if the poll numbers reveal that an individual will not get elected without reforming health care, then even the most rabid right winger will pop down the church and find that his own personal Jesus has revealed to him through the relevant verses that it is OK for poor people to get medical coverage
It is a truism that people have difficulty in looking ahead and fixing policy decisions to those realities. Nobody will disagree with you that America in 1850 and 1950 were radically different places and had, as well as needed, radically different policies that reflected the two cultures of the time. In contrast, you can have an extremely difficult time explaining that policies and cultures from 1950 to 2050 will by necessity need to be as different again. It may be that the problems ahead will need socialist solutions: nailing all your responses to an ideology, even if it was one that worked wonderfully in the past will eventually get you. (See every failed empire.) All the above is not new - it is stolen from Thomas Paine.
There does seem to be a change in the ground water concerning health care. There will be an awful lot of people with a lot less benefits come the next election cycle. Trust me on this, if the poll numbers reveal that an individual will not get elected without reforming health care, then even the most rabid right winger will pop down the church and find that his own personal Jesus has revealed to him through the relevant verses that it is OK for poor people to get medical coverage
didn't Bush decide to bail out all the banks and big businesses with the "people's" money? It is socialism for the elite and capitalism for the small business owners. The rich and powerful stay rich and powerful, even if the businesses they run are bankrupt. heck, how did Madoff (bad spelling?) go so long as a high-profile financial guru with no one realizing he was full of shit and lies? No one cared until other rich and powerful wanted their money.
Did the feds bail out the mom and pop businesses when Wal-Mart came to town? That is just capitalism, the American way.
Did the feds bail out the mom and pop businesses when Wal-Mart came to town? That is just capitalism, the American way.
In short, no.
Socialism is an economic philosophy with the base belief of equal opportunity for all.
What you describe is "Charity" or maybe focused Humanitarianism.
Well anyhow, Capitalism is now 'debased' IMO .
Funny you say that, as I feel that capitalism, even when functioning "properly" (assuming you could get even 3 people to agree on what that would mean), is itself debased.
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