That's a bad analogy. It would be better to compare somebody that was at the top of their class but had no experience or influence from anybody yet to somebody that was a little lower in their class but belonged to a corrupt, unethical, heartless system for ten years that screwed over other people's health for their own profit and took out people's organs when they thought they could get away with it to sell them on the black market. In that case which surgeon would you want? Experience is a actual negative when the experience is from something like our business or political systems.
Home Depot Founder on Obama Admin . . .
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That's a bad analogy. It would be better to compare somebody that was at the top of their class but had no experience or influence from anybody yet to somebody that was a little lower in their class but belonged to a corrupt, unethical, heartless system for ten years that screwed over other people's health for their own profit and took out people's organs when they thought they could get away with it to sell them on the black market. In that case which surgeon would you want? Experience is a actual negative when the experience is from something like our business or political systems.
Ummmm... ok?
Experience is bad, got it. Selling organs on the black market is also bad, got it. Wait, what?
What are you even talking about? Assuming that people's intentions are nefarious just to suit your argument doesn't strengthen your point. Experience is bad? Really?
The economic meltdown was the result many things (gas prices, unethical business practices, etc.). However, industries caused their own demise which contributed mightily to the meltdown.
Like I've pointed out the recovery is happening at a faster pace than the last time our country faced this dire of economic circumstances.:dunno:
"Accomplishing" something in the business world won't make you an any better policy maker than an academic.
Your types sat and allowed a bunch of academics shove us into Iraq...so maybe you guys are leaning on that experience (likely not).
I suppose it would be worth it to know what he's specifically objecting to? He's speaking in generalities..."micromanage"? "Micromanage" in what way.
If he's referring to GM and Chrysler...well, I suppose it would make sense for the g'ment to exercise some say in how a corporation uses tax payer money after they've come to the g'ment having just burned through their own.
The fact of the matter is this clown has been exposed as just another political hack. Having a few alphabets in front his name organized to read "C" "E" & "O" doesn't change that.
meesterperfect
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The man is a very successful business man.
The man is a multi millionare, maybe a billionare.
He must be evil.
That makes anything he says moot.
Right?
forget democrat or republican for a minute.
it is true that government does make it very difficult for small businesses to start and to succeed with regulations and taxes ect.
Its as if they want them to fail.
small businesses are very important in helping the economy.
they create sales tax.
they create jobs which keep unemployment down
they provide health insurance which is such a big issue today.
they keep people off of welfare.
they help lower inflation due to competition.
So any government involvement making it difficult for them to succeed is bad for the country as a whole, isn't it?
Just let the economy fix itself . it will if government just butts out.
hell it was government regulations and laws that fucked the economy in the first place.
Taking all this into consideration to me is just another sign of obamas peoples real intentions.
Do they really want a strong economy or just a bunch of scared, angry, confused Americans? you know, the type that usually votes democrat.
It seems to me that the plan is to put everyone in or just outside the poorhouse with the exception of a very small percent of very very rich. = power and control.
The man is a multi millionare, maybe a billionare.
He must be evil.
That makes anything he says moot.
Right?
forget democrat or republican for a minute.
it is true that government does make it very difficult for small businesses to start and to succeed with regulations and taxes ect.
Its as if they want them to fail.
small businesses are very important in helping the economy.
they create sales tax.
they create jobs which keep unemployment down
they provide health insurance which is such a big issue today.
they keep people off of welfare.
they help lower inflation due to competition.
So any government involvement making it difficult for them to succeed is bad for the country as a whole, isn't it?
Just let the economy fix itself . it will if government just butts out.
hell it was government regulations and laws that fucked the economy in the first place.
Taking all this into consideration to me is just another sign of obamas peoples real intentions.
Do they really want a strong economy or just a bunch of scared, angry, confused Americans? you know, the type that usually votes democrat.
It seems to me that the plan is to put everyone in or just outside the poorhouse with the exception of a very small percent of very very rich. = power and control.
No. He just needs to say something specific if he wants to be taken seriously. Saying Obama's economic team is a bunch of academics who may or may not have "real world" experience may be true. But show us the policy which reflects the fact that they're out of touch or that it matters.
For example, in the "real world" tax cuts don't drive employment. That is a talking point contended by GOPer academics. Taxes are as low now as they have ever been and unemployment is nearly as high as it's ever been in recent history.
Aside from "sin" taxes on things like cigs where it's no secret the g'ment wants that industry to fail. What do you mean specifically?
And you need to know this, g'ment rarely gets involved in anything unless the irresponsible acts of those governed instigate it. Think about that for a min meester.
So for example, if business engages in reckless practices (on their own) which causes the g'ment to intervene on behalf of those victimized...you best believe there will be regs. coming down the pipe.
In the "real world" if your industry is over regulated...you should look around you at those in your industry as the ones likely responsible for it.
StanScratch
My Penis Is Dancing!
Truth be told, the founder of The Home Depot is also a killer of small business.
How many of you have seen one of those large boxes go into your home town, only to knock out every mom-and-pop establishment in town. When THD entered our town, four local hardware stores, three local paint stores, four local carpet stores and three lumber stores were out of business within two years. All had been long-running and quite successful before the orange box came into town, all unable to match its prices.
A large company like that can easier cut its bottom line when ordering - instead of simply ordering for that one store (as a mom and pop does), it orders for more than 2000 stores.
Of course, a place like THD is going to hire people from those stores, right? After all, they have the experience, and THD prides itself in its excellent customer service (or, at least, self-created numbers which indicate it's service is serviceable). Absolutely - as long as those people are willing to work for just above minimal wage, all the while taking an insurance plan so poorly put together, it almost could be called oppressive.
So, yes, Bernie, you can furrow your brow over how the government and Obama is killing the small business man - but you and your ilk are doing a much better job of it.
How many of you have seen one of those large boxes go into your home town, only to knock out every mom-and-pop establishment in town. When THD entered our town, four local hardware stores, three local paint stores, four local carpet stores and three lumber stores were out of business within two years. All had been long-running and quite successful before the orange box came into town, all unable to match its prices.
A large company like that can easier cut its bottom line when ordering - instead of simply ordering for that one store (as a mom and pop does), it orders for more than 2000 stores.
Of course, a place like THD is going to hire people from those stores, right? After all, they have the experience, and THD prides itself in its excellent customer service (or, at least, self-created numbers which indicate it's service is serviceable). Absolutely - as long as those people are willing to work for just above minimal wage, all the while taking an insurance plan so poorly put together, it almost could be called oppressive.
So, yes, Bernie, you can furrow your brow over how the government and Obama is killing the small business man - but you and your ilk are doing a much better job of it.
where do you draw the line. when does a company (which started from nothin) become fair game? if we're going to tackle of question these problems we need more constructive criticism than that.
That's a pretty dynamic issue. The question arises is Home Depot more to blame than the city officials who license them to compete for the business these mom and pops served and/or the customers who then supported HD instead of the neighbor's business?
When HD talks about coming into a city or town...they do so on the promise that they are bringing jobs. That is a tough argument to contend against.
The only way to win that argument for the mom and pops I see would be to offer some plan to band together to create "Arlen General Building and Hardware" (or whatever), offer their own, one stop shop ...and employ their neighbors where HD is offering to.
But Stan's main point is valid....this guy is in a very precarious position arguing he knows what's best for small businesses as he sweeps into town after town putting them out of business.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
And my suspicions are justified.
When Home Depot comes into town and small stores are forced out of business, it is NOT the fault of Home Depot. It is the fault of the small stores. When a new competitor comes into the neighborhood, it is up to THEM to find a way to compete with that new competitor.
You complain about Home Depot paying low wages. If that's the case, they probably won't get the best, most knowledgeable employees. This is an area where the small store has an advantage. Even though their prices are not quite as low as the giant conglomerate, they can provide better service to their customers. That is worth paying a little more for. Is it enough to keep them in business? Probably not, but that's the nature of free enterprise.
Competition forces people to continually provide more for the public than they used to. This is a GOOD thing. If the little guys want to stay in business, they just need to find ways to add more to what they give the customer than Home Depot does. If they can't do that, the market doesn't need them.
The reason the owners of Home Depot are wealthy is because they have found ways to offer more to the customers (that's you and me) than their competition does. In a way, they have made our lives easier by what they do. When someone comes along and finds a better way than Home Depot's way, then Home Depot will either have to improve or lose market share.
That's a good thing.
The cost is usually what people have to end up making their biggest determination when buying something even if service or quality is more important to them because for many people they have no practical choice but to buy the cheapest things because they can't afford anything else. (Often because businesses come in and offer low wages which they are forced to take.) That's something people like you always forget, gloss over, or don't care about. Most of the time there is no real "choice" when buying something. Peoples hands are already forced by the situations they been forced to live under already by the system that drives good, fair, and ethical businesses out.
No, all it really has done in modern capitalism is force people into "a race to the bottom" where things are made the cheapest at any cost, people are paid the least and exploited at any cost that the business can get away with, and any corner is cut that a business feels it can get a way with. I've never seen that be a good thing in the end, and the cost to society are almost always greater and more insidious than any shorter term savings people might benefit from them.
As much as some claim people are saving a good portion of that extra money from low cost is just funneled up to the hands of fewer and fewer people.
No, all it really has done in modern capitalism is force people into "a race to the bottom" where things are made the cheapest at any cost, people are paid the least and exploited at any cost that the business can get away with, and any corner is cut that a business feels it can get a way with. I've never seen that be a good thing in the end, and the cost to society are almost always greater and more insidious than any shorter term savings people might benefit from them.
As much as some claim people are saving a good portion of that extra money from low cost is just funneled up to the hands of fewer and fewer people.
Supafly
Retired Mod
Exactly :glugglug:
Well that's a pretty naive perspective. The local mom and pop has probably mom, pop and Jeremy from around the corner working there. The 3 shifts mom, pop and Jeremy from around the corner are doing probably translate into 4 or 5 jobs at HD.
So it's not a matter of paying Jeremy a top wage off of comparatively lower profit margins but the fact that they only need Jeremy. HD doesn't need to compete for Jeremy...because they have 4 or 5 positions available to his friends.
No mom and pop shop is going to compete with a HD. The ability for HD just like Walmart to operate on margins no mom and pop could alone allows them to undersell their "competitors" (used loosely as m&ps are not competition for HD and Walmarts) out of business.
Add to the fact that when you go to HD as opposed to the local hardware store, you can not only buy the hammer, saw and nails for a job..but the lumber and shingles too.
That's another naive perspective.
The founders of HD, are wealthy because they have copied a niche of bringing the "warehouse", one stop shopping and it's pricing to the everyday consumer.
They arem't doing anything else better than the mom and pop. They offer goods and services based on their margins. They just have different margins.
I will add that it is better for the consumer in terms of pricing and sometimes choice. But sometimes that advantage comes at a price.
at outspoken champions of small businesses sticking up for the carniverous practices of Home Dept and Walmart
meesterperfect
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nice to see that you are all into the whole huge government thing.
when you earn a thousand a week and see the 500 in government deductions taken from you i guess that makes you feel good.
you deserve to be broke.
when you earn a thousand a week and see the 500 in government deductions taken from you i guess that makes you feel good.
you deserve to be broke.
Not sure which country you're talking about. In the US if you earn $4k per mo., you don't pay $2k in taxes.
Even if the Bush era tax cuts on the top 2 pct. were allowed to expire, they wouldn't even be paying 50% of their income to taxes ...certainly not some guy who made $4K per mo.
I suppose if you paid attention to the facts and not what you perceive..You Might not be so paranoid.
Also, I don't think you ever responded to the, "what is Obama giving away to people?" question. You advocate him being on a food stamp yet he's neither authored, supported nor signed any policy having to do with general assistance.
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