Hey Republicans! Tax Payers are Helping Fortune 500 Companies Pay Their Employees!

[Jack Davenport]

You got it Bob! Have your peeps to call my peeps.

 

[bobjustbob]

Don't crack on me either for defending Mariah on this. She's got a pan and puts stuff into it. You don't need to pay what she does for her ingredients. 5 bucks makes the same thing after a visit to an A&P. Poverty is no excuse for pulling out a pot and a pan. Your kids will live a very nice life without Happy Meals. Don't make your,"very busy life" an excuse for feeding them and yourself better food. For Christ's sakes, USA feeds the fucking world. We grow everything times fold. Our season doesn't end. Varieties that we take for granted are premiums by the best Chefs in the world. All of this great shit is here and local for us to enjoy. We don't need a McAnything. Those fries taste great but we can make them just as well and better in our own pan. Try it.

In this same token, don't say that people can't afford to eat better because fast food is cheaper. Do your own math. I did it for you above. Do you agree with I said above or no? Are we not able to feed ourselves at the same prices as cooking at home?

 

[Jack Davenport]

you can crack wise at me all want, but do you have any idea what they would eat at those places otherwise? Food that comes in 5 gallon buckets. condiments that say Mustard on the label and nothing else. soup that is leftovers from the week. bread that is stale and bleached flour. At least what I made was from scratch and with so many people my food was usually just divided up so they all got a few bites each.

if I want your opinions Ill rear end the car in front of me at the next traffic light.

Ha ha ha a lawyer joke. Know who tells the best lawyer jokes! Lawyers! If I want your opinon I'll just look on the main page. Wait!

 

[Mayhem]

Hey, what's the difference between a lawyer and a vampire bat?

One is a loathesome, disgusting, disease-ridden creature of the night that fills people with revulsion.

The other is a small, winged rodent.

 

[Jack Davenport]

I knew that I should have applied for a copyright when I wrote that one.

 

[lurkingdirk]

you can crack wise at me all want, but do you have any idea what they would eat at those places otherwise? Food that comes in 5 gallon buckets. condiments that say Mustard on the label and nothing else. soup that is leftovers from the week. bread that is stale and bleached flour. At least what I made was from scratch and with so many people my food was usually just divided up so they all got a few bites each.

1/3 cup ketchup
1/4 cup bar b q sauce

I don't have a beef with you, but I thought I might point out that you said what you made is from scratch, and mocked cooking with condiments on the same page as a recipe of your that includes ketchup and barbecue sauce. It is very easy to use nothing but fresh ingredients to make sloppy joes - get rid of the pre-made condiments like ketchup and barbecue sauce. The sloppy joes will be way better.

However, I did use your recipe for fried chicken. Not that healthy, but delicious, and my kids loved it.

Now, tomorrow I'm going to make sloppy joes, and I'll write down the recipe I make them with. I may even post it here.

 

[Mariahxxx]

i didnt mock condiments. I said generic condiments that come in giant tubs with the word "Mustard" on the side.

and remember, cooking videos have to be as simple and viewer friendly as possible. also it's youtube so the videos can't go beyond 10 minutes. so showing how to make ketchup and mustard would need to be their own episodes.

so it's come down to nitpicking my cooking videos and me donating that food to a shelter so people who would otherwise be eating processed food out of a 5 gallon bucket? i guess when you dont have much else you go with what ya got right fellas?

 

[Jack Davenport]

Stop contributing to the already miserable lives of the poor by feeding them unhealthy food. It is loose ladled fuckers like you that are contributing to decline in the health of our poor. Haue you no heart?

 

[georges]

the end of this thread makes me laugh uproariously :laugh:

 

[Petra]

You know, everyone keeps talking about raising the minimum wage. Fantastic, lets do it because Wally world and McD's can afford it!! They bring in billions a year!

What about that mom and pop owned taco joint that could afford to pay 6-10 employees that makes just enough profit every year to justify staying open? The corner store that could afford 2-3 employees without going under. The car wash that could afford 3-4 teenagers at the current minimum wage. Or how about all the businesses that can afford to pay minimum wage ENTRY LEVEL positions where their employees can build their skills and climb the ladder to different, better paying positions.

Yup, that federal minimum wage hike applies to them too. And, where do you really think they're going to cut costs? Yea, I think some will at first try to find cheaper ingredients. Some owners will try cutting hours and do more themselves. In the end though, how many of their employees will it be? 1, 2, 3, or more??

I saw a estimate that McDonald's employees about 700k people in the US alone. I also saw a 2010 estimate that there's around 28 million small businesses. If each small business has at least 10 employees, that's 280 million people that are employed. How many of those are going to no longer be employed if their employer is forced to go up $7 more (assuming that all 280 million are at $8/hr).

But that's OK. McDonald's, Walmart, and a few other billion dollar businesses that offer minimum wage can afford it even though they don't employ as many as the small businesses do nation wide.

 

[Jack Davenport]

You know, everyone keeps talking about raising the minimum wage. Fantastic, lets do it because Wally world and McD's can afford it!! They bring in billions a year!

What about that mom and pop owned taco joint that could afford to pay 6-10 employees that makes just enough profit every year to justify staying open? The corner store that could afford 2-3 employees without going under. The car wash that could afford 3-4 teenagers at the current minimum wage. Or how about all the businesses that can afford to pay minimum wage ENTRY LEVEL positions where their employees can build their skills and climb the ladder to different, better paying positions.

Yup, that federal minimum wage hike applies to them too. And, where do you really think they're going to cut costs? Yea, I think some will at first try to find cheaper ingredients. Some owners will try cutting hours and do more themselves. In the end though, how many of their employees will it be? 1, 2, 3, or more??

I saw a estimate that McDonald's employees about 700k people in the US alone. I also saw a 2010 estimate that there's around 28 million small businesses. If each small business has at least 10 employees, that's 280 million people that are employed. How many of those are going to no longer be employed if their employer is forced to go up $7 more (assuming that all 280 million are at $8/hr).

But that's OK. McDonald's, Walmart, and a few other billion dollar businesses that offer minimum wage can afford it even though they don't employ as many as the small businesses do nation wide.

I love you. There I said it.

 

[Mariahxxx]

You know, everyone keeps talking about raising the minimum wage. Fantastic, lets do it because Wally world and McD's can afford it!! They bring in billions a year!

What about that mom and pop owned taco joint that could afford to pay 6-10 employees that makes just enough profit every year to justify staying open? The corner store that could afford 2-3 employees without going under. The car wash that could afford 3-4 teenagers at the current minimum wage. Or how about all the businesses that can afford to pay minimum wage ENTRY LEVEL positions where their employees can build their skills and climb the ladder to different, better paying positions.

Yup, that federal minimum wage hike applies to them too. And, where do you really think they're going to cut costs? Yea, I think some will at first try to find cheaper ingredients. Some owners will try cutting hours and do more themselves. In the end though, how many of their employees will it be? 1, 2, 3, or more??

I saw a estimate that McDonald's employees about 700k people in the US alone. I also saw a 2010 estimate that there's around 28 million small businesses. If each small business has at least 10 employees, that's 280 million people that are employed. How many of those are going to no longer be employed if their employer is forced to go up $7 more (assuming that all 280 million are at $8/hr).

But that's OK. McDonald's, Walmart, and a few other billion dollar businesses that offer minimum wage can afford it even though they don't employ as many as the small businesses do nation wide.

it's very simple oh dimpled one. They raise their prices. 50 cents per taco or $1 more per car to be washed won't drive people away. it's been proven in California where restaurants are required to pay waiters minimum wage. they all raised prices and it didnt touch their profits or their business.

 

[Jack Davenport]

it's very simple oh dimpled one. They raise their prices. 50 cents per taco or $1 more per car to be washed won't drive people away. it's been proven in California where restaurants are required to pay waiters minimum wage. they all raised prices and it didnt touch their profits or their business.

You are constantly citing California as an example as to how things should be done. California is hardly a model on how business should be run.

 

[Mariahxxx]

Im not saying California is a perfect example of everything. I'm saying it's being done successfully and I'm saying what I KNOW. They require restaurants to pay waiters minimum wage not the $2.13 hourly that has been unchanged since the early 1980s thanks to the other NRA = National Restaurant Association which has lobbied for decades to not increase wait staff pay. Who was the head of said organization? Sweet Daddy Cain aka Herman Cain, a republican.

Studies have been done using several different restaurant types. fast food would require an 8 cent increase per item sold. higher end restaurants would require between 40 cents and 80 cents per entree. places like denny's and ihop would require a 60 cent increase per item. now you honestly think that would kill their business? come on dude.

be honest, you don't think it will, you just dont want government requiring businesses to pay MORE, because it's already established they are permitted to require them to pay a minimal amount.

 

[bobjustbob]

8 cents per item? Who pulled that number out of their asses? Let's do some math. As said before the average McD worker makes $8.69 hr. They need $6.31 more to make $15. That's about 80 items per hour PER EMPLOYEE. With 7 on a shift that's 560 items per hour every hour from open to close. That's 140 customers per hour at 4 items average. Do you still think 8 cents is a real number?

 

[Mariahxxx]

yes I do because not just one but several economists have done this study and the 8 cent per item is what they came up with. and you dont think mcdonalds does 140 customers per hour?????? I would agree some dont but certainly most do.

if you show me your qualifications as an economist I'll give your argument a little more consideration.

 

[Mariahxxx]

you do realize also bob that many of these companies make BILLIONS in profit every year and pay little to no taxes? that's ok with you too?

 

[Mariahxxx]

you would think but again, the average age of a fast food employee is 29 not 17. people work there because it's what they can get. jobs are scarce and many work there trying to move up in the company. but during that period why shouldn't they be making a wage that is equal to the increases in costs of living? those have gone up but wages haven't. Why?

 

[bobjustbob]

140 customers per hour every hour from open to close. Most do? If they are doing more then there are 11 on a shift and they have to paid too. That's 220 customers per hour every open hour. Find me these magical burgher factories. I'll put my feet on the floor retail experience up against those economists studies any day of the week. You do realize that there are more than cashiers involved here. There are the people that clean the tables and dispose of refuge. People on the line putting together the orders. There is also food prep and dish washing. You can do your own study by sitting in one of these places for a day or 2. That kind of volume is ridiculous.


Edit: They sure as hell should pay their taxes just like I do. Cut the fucking loop holes out.

 

[Mariahxxx]

you can argue with the numbers all you want but what do YOU personally have against people who WORK for a company making BILLIONS in profits paying none or very little taxes, making a living wage? why are YOU in favor of the company and not the people showing up to work every day? they are working, not sitting with their hands out Bob. They are paying more out of every check than their employer is.

you wanna bitch about entitled to a better car and this and that, how about you start with the companies that aren't paying in AT ALL?