I was going to make some more points, but I don't think anybody is going to sway eachother's opinions here. I guess we agree to disagree lol.
Henry Rollins On Evolution...
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Will E Worm
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Amazing. How much evidence do you need for a theory for it to be accepted? Every single scientific discovery since the Scopes trial has bolstered the theory of evolution. Conversely during the same period there has not arisen a growing body of credible counter theories with supporting evidence. Not one. There would be quite a lot of fame and glory in turning over old man Darwin but even in the age of computers nobody has been able to put a dint in him.
There are miles and miles of threads about this over at Richard Dawkins website. I would recommend a visit to anybody.
There are miles and miles of threads about this over at Richard Dawkins website. I would recommend a visit to anybody.
here's the thing religion is science too, it's just really bad science with absolutely nothing proving it. it's in the realm of pseudo-science with absolutely no proof for any of it's claims.
p.s. faith is not proof
p.s. faith is not proof
God was the first scientist!!
OK. The Big Bang theory is not the idea that there was "nothing" and then all the sudden "stuff" appeared.
Without getting into string theory, let me just give a quick understanding of the constitution of matter. You understand that "stuff" forms together into particles and it's the different combination of particles that make different things, but that they are still made out of the same "stuff". So like an out house and a dog house are two different buildings, they look different and have different functions, but the building materials and the construction process are the same basically.OK?
Also energy is the motion of objects ("stuff") and time is the relationship between two objects in motion and space is the measurement between objects.
Matter cannot be created or destroyed. '"Before" the Big Bang there was still all of the same matter in the universe as there is now, it was just at it's most basic form and not "assembled" together into particles and objects like it is now . Because there was no differentiation of matter there was no energy and no time and what we would define as space. Once the universe "sparked to life" it was like a cue hitting a racked set of billiards, setting them all into motion (and time and space).
Either because it is not there now or because it's too small for us to observe even indirectly we don't really know anything about the basic form that the universe is made up of. We have very little understanding of how things work on the very small level and what we do know appears to be very different from the way that they work on a larger scale. For instance it's easy to observe gravity between planets, but it's a mystery how gravity works between micro sub-atomic particles.
All this is to say that there is a level of unknown physical rules to the universe that operate independently from time, space and matter and energy. So while the Pre-BB universe appeared to have nothing happening, that probably isn't the case.
It also seems likely that there are all of these pre-big bang type universes all around us all the time (and also post BB ones too), but that they are enclosed in a sort of bubble and they don't interact with each other, but sometimes energy can break through the bubble and that is what caused a (The) Big Bang.
Without getting into string theory, let me just give a quick understanding of the constitution of matter. You understand that "stuff" forms together into particles and it's the different combination of particles that make different things, but that they are still made out of the same "stuff". So like an out house and a dog house are two different buildings, they look different and have different functions, but the building materials and the construction process are the same basically.OK?
Also energy is the motion of objects ("stuff") and time is the relationship between two objects in motion and space is the measurement between objects.
Matter cannot be created or destroyed. '"Before" the Big Bang there was still all of the same matter in the universe as there is now, it was just at it's most basic form and not "assembled" together into particles and objects like it is now . Because there was no differentiation of matter there was no energy and no time and what we would define as space. Once the universe "sparked to life" it was like a cue hitting a racked set of billiards, setting them all into motion (and time and space).
Either because it is not there now or because it's too small for us to observe even indirectly we don't really know anything about the basic form that the universe is made up of. We have very little understanding of how things work on the very small level and what we do know appears to be very different from the way that they work on a larger scale. For instance it's easy to observe gravity between planets, but it's a mystery how gravity works between micro sub-atomic particles.
All this is to say that there is a level of unknown physical rules to the universe that operate independently from time, space and matter and energy. So while the Pre-BB universe appeared to have nothing happening, that probably isn't the case.
It also seems likely that there are all of these pre-big bang type universes all around us all the time (and also post BB ones too), but that they are enclosed in a sort of bubble and they don't interact with each other, but sometimes energy can break through the bubble and that is what caused a (The) Big Bang.
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Oh that is who Henry Rollins is:dunno:
We still have no idea if anything existed before the Big Bang or how it came about. Whether matter and energy sprung up from nothing or was always there and whether the laws of thermodynamics apply to it is still one of the biggest mysteries about the Big Bang that scientist are still trying to determine.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
I heard about that.
:1orglaugh It looked more like a lizard than anything.
The missing link will always be missing.
Because it doesn't exist.
I heard about that.
It looked more like a lizard than anything.
The missing link will always be missing.
Because it doesn't exist.
Totally agree. And there wouldn't be just one missing link, there would have to be lots of variations. Thats why evolution is bogus imo.
There are other variations, it's the one that is in between them that we haven't found, thus it's the missing link.
It's kind of interesting about the lizard man thing. Is it really so far fetched that people could have evolved from reptiles? Isn't that the whole point of evolution, that we all started out as a single organism that changed over time. Of course mammals evolved from reptiles, where else would they have came from in the evolutionary scale? mammals certainly don't predate reptiles.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
:nono:I heard about that.
It looked more like a lizard than anything.
The missing link will always be missing.
Because it doesn't exist.
The truth will be revealed today!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ksh5y
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Energy was and is the creation of God.
But, if evolutionist believe something can come from nothing the must have faith in that. Evolution is a religion of its own, just like environmentalism.
Misguided faiths, but, that's what they are.
You were doing well until you said that. God created everything, He didn't start evolution. That sounds like Billy Graham, another liar.
Okay, then. You do need a man. You know it everyone here knows it.
Also, wasn't it you a couple of months ago couldn't take what some people were saying on the net about you, on this board?
I'm weak-minded? Could you spell the word correctly next time?
Think again. They were never Christians. They are Catholics, they follow Catholicism. They "preach" another gospel, they forbid people to marry, they forbid meats, they are idol worshippers.
We were warned about people like that.
Just like the "Jews" which call themselves Jews and are not.
Beware the concision.
Nope, God wasn't created.
Christians are told to mark them which cause division and to exposes false teachers and liars. So, people calling Christians "judgmental" are incorrect.
I agree, Rollins is an egomaniac and there isn't anything called "Intelligent design." It's creation, not anything else.
Intelligent design can be attributed to anything or anyone. What if the "intelligent" designers were aliens?
It's called creation and there aren't any aliens.
The church isn't "universal." People that follow Christ can't be yoked up with people that worship idols or moon gods like the Muslims worship.
Depends on which Baptists you're talking about. Some are only Christians in name. The other Baptists actually worship Christ.
Then why do schools teach the big bang and evolution as facts?
They have to either admit they don't know and stop teaching it in schools or
admit they are liars.
Hmmm, sound high-minded.
Take an English class and no God wasn't created.
I heard about that.
It looked more like a lizard than anything.
The missing link will always be missing.
Because it doesn't exist.
I don't think its a lizard man. I don't think it has any relation to a man, its a deformed reptile. Lots of creatures are born with birth defects but that doesn't mean they evolved.
As for the single organism that changed over time, again I ask, with what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
I don't believe in gravity. I believe that things fall to the earth because they are pushed away from god's power. Schools should have respect my theories and teach it in science class.
If that isn't taught in science class within the nest 5 years, the school system just hates God.
He pushed an apple onto Newton's head!
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