Yep. 21 years.
Have you served???
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Wainkerr99
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2 years in another country.
My heart goes out to you guys.:hatsoff::bowdown:
There's no "respect" banner on this ancient smiley list.
My heart goes out to you guys.:hatsoff::bowdown:
There's no "respect" banner on this ancient smiley list.
Namreg
Banned
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the
spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be
done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, and all the
loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism, how violently I hate
all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to
shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing
under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
- Albert Einstein
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the
spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be
done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, and all the
loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism, how violently I hate
all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to
shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing
under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
- Albert Einstein
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
"Three cheers for the war. Three cheers for Italy's war and three cheers for war in general. Peace is hence absurd or rather a pause in war."
- Benito Mussolini
Sorry, that quote you posted just made me want to post that for some reason...
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All wars are follies, very expensive and very mischievous ones. In my opinion, there never was a good war or a bad peace. When will mankind be convinced and agree to settle their difficulties by arbitration? ~Benjamin Franklin
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower, speech, American Society of Newspaper Editors, 16 April 1953
Nice quotes, but yes I've served too, won't declair when or where though. I don't need recongintion, I have colorful ribbons and medals for that.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower, speech, American Society of Newspaper Editors, 16 April 1953
Nice quotes, but yes I've served too, won't declair when or where though. I don't need recongintion, I have colorful ribbons and medals for that.
Furthermore, I am not in the services now, but if my country called upon me to serve, I would proudly. Anyone that wouldn't defend their country, friends, and family is a complete wuss.
You wouldn't be alone. A lot of officers are against the war. But they know their duty.
Ladies and Gentlemen....
This thread has nothing to do with the current war. I was curious to those that have served their respective countries. I have great respect for my fellow Brothers In Arms and wanted a little recognition for them.
To those of you that disagree with military service. I understand your position. But those of us that have served or currently are... are giving of ourselves to a higher purpose. Serving your country isn't something everyone can do or are capable of doing. It is a calling.
I come from a mulitgenerational military family. My family has served in the Marine Corps since WW I. My grandfather retired from the Marines after 35 years, He was in WW II and Korea.
For me being a Marine, was the only thing that I was meant to do... to be. In serving, your are bringing honor to yourself, your family, and your country. To give of your self, is a sacrifice only those few will know, it is an offering that must be given.
I have deep and great feelings for ALL service members. They are by far the few that exemplify courage and honor.
Even if you disagree with military service or war, you have to respect just the sheer BALLS it takes to be who we are, to do what we do.
Semper Fidelis and OOOooRAH!!!
This thread has nothing to do with the current war. I was curious to those that have served their respective countries. I have great respect for my fellow Brothers In Arms and wanted a little recognition for them.
To those of you that disagree with military service. I understand your position. But those of us that have served or currently are... are giving of ourselves to a higher purpose. Serving your country isn't something everyone can do or are capable of doing. It is a calling.
I come from a mulitgenerational military family. My family has served in the Marine Corps since WW I. My grandfather retired from the Marines after 35 years, He was in WW II and Korea.
For me being a Marine, was the only thing that I was meant to do... to be. In serving, your are bringing honor to yourself, your family, and your country. To give of your self, is a sacrifice only those few will know, it is an offering that must be given.
I have deep and great feelings for ALL service members. They are by far the few that exemplify courage and honor.
Even if you disagree with military service or war, you have to respect just the sheer BALLS it takes to be who we are, to do what we do.
Semper Fidelis and OOOooRAH!!!
Its not as black & white as that though, it depends on the nature of the conflict. I would not, if my county called me, partake in an illegal war or an unjustified conflict.
& those that chose the "hell no we won't go" option during vietnam for instance are not wusses.
om3ga
It's good to be the king...
Nope, but my younger brother was in the Royal Green Jackets
Indeed, NATO allies in Afghanistan for one ...
I know that tends to get lost post-2003 and Operation Iraqi Freedom, but there are many NATO allies who do recognize that the US is not totally to blame for 9/11 and the corresponding war on the Taliban (totally separate from Iraq), and have honored our alliance as such and actually believe in the objectives it is aiming for (regardless of any outcome).
Unfortunately, people who have never served tend to associate conflicts with their soldiers (or even previous ones).
Indeed. As I tried to state in another thread, I would like to thank each and every NATO solider from nations other than the US who heeded the call to serve in, what we Americans call, Operation Enduring Freedom. I think people forget all the countless NATO allies who send soldiers in the wake of 9/11, without question.
I know that tends to get lost post-2003 and Operation Iraqi Freedom, but there are many NATO allies who do recognize that the US is not totally to blame for 9/11 and the corresponding war on the Taliban (totally separate from Iraq), and have honored our alliance as such and actually believe in the objectives it is aiming for (regardless of any outcome).
Yet, some of us in the military still don't need the recongintion, just the sheer memories from the enemy contact with your peers to your left and right will suffice. Anyways, that is what the awards system is all about, pieces of colored ribbon with shiny medals attached to them. I let my chest do my talking while in class A uniform.
Some of us have the same multi-generational service, going back to the Mexican-American war. Alas, some of our families have been over all branches including the fledgling Air Force, when it was the Army Air corps. So let it be known over 100 years my family has been defending the United States since my family left from Ireland.
The Honor of serving for some is just enough to keep on doing what we know as "the family business". Trust me my Marine friend, it dosen't take balls to work within the Armed forces. It takes skill, discipline, and a keen attention to detail, espically for today's protracted wars. Also, a vast amount of knowledge comes into these wars. Like I bet you never read Sun Tsu's art of war back in the day.
The 'Balls' as you put it, isn't what you define it as all. It takes a keen tactical mindset, and key disciplines to be who we are. Anyone can charge head first into battle, but to win a war it takes much more. Cannon fodder will be cannon fodder, and I refuse to be associated with that.
I'm one of the few who enjoys the quiet time, sitting in a bar and not telling some dude and or chick next to me I've slept in sand, eating MRE's, drinking water at or near 100 degrees. If someone asks, due to the military look I present, yes I will fill their head full of war stories I have. Trust me, doing my job will either make you, or give you horrible nightmares and you want to be a cook for your next enlistment.
Yes, brother I fully understand the point you are making, but let cannon fodder be cannon fodder, not everyone comes from our viewpoint. Alas, now I think you know...
Just my :2 cents: and let it be know...
US Army, Operation Iraqi Freedom Veteran
Also, this isn't a slam or a flame... Don't take it as one, but don't make it sound like we're saints, on a holy crusade either. I mark it how I see it. We get paid to do what we do best. Sit on a guard tower, and protect the ones we can by scanning our sector.
Alas for my cousins in arms (Other countries armed forces) I say thanks, for without you I wouldn't be as enlightened as I am today. Also before I forget, I want to thank the fledgling armies of Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Some of us have the same multi-generational service, going back to the Mexican-American war. Alas, some of our families have been over all branches including the fledgling Air Force, when it was the Army Air corps. So let it be known over 100 years my family has been defending the United States since my family left from Ireland.
The Honor of serving for some is just enough to keep on doing what we know as "the family business". Trust me my Marine friend, it dosen't take balls to work within the Armed forces. It takes skill, discipline, and a keen attention to detail, espically for today's protracted wars. Also, a vast amount of knowledge comes into these wars. Like I bet you never read Sun Tsu's art of war back in the day.
The 'Balls' as you put it, isn't what you define it as all. It takes a keen tactical mindset, and key disciplines to be who we are. Anyone can charge head first into battle, but to win a war it takes much more. Cannon fodder will be cannon fodder, and I refuse to be associated with that.
I'm one of the few who enjoys the quiet time, sitting in a bar and not telling some dude and or chick next to me I've slept in sand, eating MRE's, drinking water at or near 100 degrees. If someone asks, due to the military look I present, yes I will fill their head full of war stories I have. Trust me, doing my job will either make you, or give you horrible nightmares and you want to be a cook for your next enlistment.
Yes, brother I fully understand the point you are making, but let cannon fodder be cannon fodder, not everyone comes from our viewpoint. Alas, now I think you know...
Just my :2 cents: and let it be know...
US Army, Operation Iraqi Freedom Veteran
Also, this isn't a slam or a flame... Don't take it as one, but don't make it sound like we're saints, on a holy crusade either. I mark it how I see it. We get paid to do what we do best. Sit on a guard tower, and protect the ones we can by scanning our sector.
Alas for my cousins in arms (Other countries armed forces) I say thanks, for without you I wouldn't be as enlightened as I am today. Also before I forget, I want to thank the fledgling armies of Iraq, and Afghanistan.
I would have loved to, may have even given my life to it, but alas I have ridiculously flat feet which makes running very difficult and strenuous for me, even when I am in a reasonably fit state.
I have nothing but respect for those who do serve professionally and honorably, perhaps even a little envy. Going to fight any war, unpopular or otherwise, does not reflect on the values and morals of those who do it in any way other than that they made a commitment and have the fortitude to see it through.
I have nothing but respect for those who do serve professionally and honorably, perhaps even a little envy. Going to fight any war, unpopular or otherwise, does not reflect on the values and morals of those who do it in any way other than that they made a commitment and have the fortitude to see it through.
Namreg
Banned
bullshit. as a human being it is your responisbility to check whether what you are doing (not in the name of your country, but merely in teh name of a government) is right or wrong. the "merely doing our job" excuse has been used by pretty much every soldier that has ever been accused of a crime; and well, they are all right. they merely are doing their job... but those who kill to the sound of trumpets are still murderers, not heroes.
and the SS and wehrmacht were merly doing their jobs as well... bullshit.
soldiers are enemies of humanity, period. they deserve contempt, not respect.
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Men who are willing to die for their country deserve all the respect in the world. It is the soldiers who mistreat prisoners and throw puppies off of cliffs that deserve no respect. There is no greater thing to do, in my opinion, than to be willing to give your life for your country and her ideals. I have served in Afghanistan for my country, and I have shot people for my country, and whether or not you want to look down on me, or any soldier is your choice. But consider the feeling mutual. There should be jsut as much contempt for an idealist like you who thinks that all it takes for peace is a chat and some tea.
Al Capone said it best: "You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone."
Namreg
Banned
you murdered people for george w. bush. if you have to tell yourself that you did it for your country to sleep at night, then so be it.
just remember that the people on the other side say the same thing- they killed your friends for saddam or whatever warlord is currently in charge.
tragically stupid/stupidly tragic, yes. worthy of respect, no.
and i will leave this thread now, i made my opinions clear, and so have you, i guess.
just remember that the people on the other side say the same thing- they killed your friends for saddam or whatever warlord is currently in charge.
tragically stupid/stupidly tragic, yes. worthy of respect, no.
and i will leave this thread now, i made my opinions clear, and so have you, i guess.
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