Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
He doesn't live in Chicago now and he's correct the media is bias.
Hate Crimes
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He doesn't live in Chicago now and he's correct the media is bias.
I suppose they could be spending time on things that produce "real" victims like say, the college football championship huh?
Or some other major crime like a married man lying about getting his dick sucked or something....:spin::turnturn::spin::turnturn: :updown::updown:
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I hope you were kidding with that statement. How is it usually racism when a white guy attacks a black guy, but not the other way around?
I know just as many racist black people as I do racist white people.
Move to Cleveland and then tell me that black on white crimes are pretty rare, because they most certainly are not.
Does it really matter? The only important thing is that we unfortunately share our world with idiotic bigots and in our country when they commit crimes based on their bigotry they are punished more severely.
Libertarians don't believe in hate crimes. We also don't believe in excusing any crime, making the punishment lesser.
E.g., if you drink, then did something irresponsible, you don't get to use your alcohol as an excuse for a lesser sentence, you "consented" to intoxicate yourself and it makes no difference.
Hate crimes are a political tool. The reality is that a lot of crimes do come down to hate, and it makes no difference in the violation of others.
E.g., if you drink, then did something irresponsible, you don't get to use your alcohol as an excuse for a lesser sentence, you "consented" to intoxicate yourself and it makes no difference.
Hate crimes are a political tool. The reality is that a lot of crimes do come down to hate, and it makes no difference in the violation of others.
Philbert
Banned
Let's see...first you point out that Chicago and every American city has far more Black poor people who will attack you 'cause they're poor and you're not, than White people.
Then...you mock the media for scaring people into leaving the city for the suburbs to "avoid" the crime. Duh?
Actual poverty statistics, not what Calpoon makes up to liven up a confused post...
Although non-Hispanic whites had a lower poverty rate than other
racial groups, they accounted for 44 percent of the people in
poverty.
15,796,000 Whities
People who reported black as their only race, for example, had a
poverty rate of 24.4 percent in 2003.
8,750,000 Blackies
The number of people below the official poverty thresholds
numbered 35.9 million .
So, actually, there are twice as many poor Whites living below the Poverty Line than Blacks...who Calpoon thinks live mostly in the cities.
Not!
Well some people actually believe when someone goes out of their way to victimize a person solely based on the persons race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. that crime is worse. You may disagree with that point of view but it is a legitimate belief.
I'll say it again, the average crime has nothing to do with hate and the ones that do are crimes that are committed with premeditation or malice aforethought (which is another example of divining a mindset).
Do you believe criminals who kill cops deserve harsher sentences than those who kill "regular" people?
Yes, you are correct Philbert that there are more poor whites than poor blacks in this country as a whole, but it doesn't make a distinction between rural and urban areas and it also doesn't make a fair per-capita comparison between the two groups.
Rural areas have less crime than cities because they contain less people in close proximity and they generally have a population that is close in economic level, regardless of racial porportion.
The opposite equation applies to cities.
anyway, but OT Facetious makes a very good point by bringing up gang violence, which is usually not racially motivated, but is based on the exact same hate group mentality and is not considered under Hate Crime legislation.
Rural areas have less crime than cities because they contain less people in close proximity and they generally have a population that is close in economic level, regardless of racial porportion.
The opposite equation applies to cities.
anyway, but OT Facetious makes a very good point by bringing up gang violence, which is usually not racially motivated, but is based on the exact same hate group mentality and is not considered under Hate Crime legislation.
Hate-crimes are different because the motivation indicates a tendency toward hatred of a particular type of human being and the continued desire to practice evil against such people, rather than a covet of their property (i.e., theft or burglary), or a resentment of their action (i.e., road-rage. Labeling these crimes as such is not "thought" patrol, you can go on thinking what you'd like; it is about the degradation of the victim and robbing them of the right to be who they are.
No. Someone should be punished the same whether they hurt a gay person or a straight person, woman or man, black, yellow or white... the victim shouldn't matter, only the crime.
I do hope there is a special place in hell for people that hurt children though
I do hope there is a special place in hell for people that hurt children though
JayJohn85
Banned
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Yes every crime is a hate crime!
Philbert
Banned
No. Someone should be punished the same whether they hurt a gay person or a straight person, woman or man, black, yellow or white... the victim shouldn't matter, only the crime.
I do hope there is a special place in hell for people that hurt children though
There is, friend...it's called "Gen Pop".
Philbert
Banned
Everone with the proverbial half a brain knows there are crimes and then, there are crimes. Speeding isn't a felony or a possible hate crime; but a Liberal DA could start charging any Whites found burgling a Mexican, Asian, Mid Eastern, or Black person's house with a hate crime and jacking up time sentenced, good looking rep for a suck-up get-ahead DA.
A Caucasian DA would get a raft of shit charging an ethnic perp with a hate crime even if they bragged how much they loved fucking up White folks and stealing their shit on CNN and Fox...
Hate crimes may have a specific use in some small specific situation, but I wouldn't give a loaded gun to a 7 year old to play with, and I don't want to see agenda driven legal assholes with the power to add extra time to a crime based on arbitrary political theory.
And I ain't talking about felony tax evasion, for the small of intellect out there...I an talking about "verbs" as in "action" crimes...like robbery or murder or assault or rape...crimes need to be charged and time given appropriate to the crime.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Common sense needs to assume its rightful position in this type of thing at some point. The Matthew Shepherd incident was an obvious and despicable hate crime. If a white guy robs a black (or Hispanic or Jewish or Muslim or....whoever), extenuating circumstances should be considered since the main object of the crime was simply to rob someone, not necessarily because of their ethnicity or religion or sexual preference or whatever. However, if said robber creates a pattern where he only robs people of a certain persuasion, it could definitely be construed as a hate crime.
It could work the other way as well if it were a upper-middle class WASP who was being targeted. It doesn't refer only to minorities. Hate is hate....period.
Philbert
Banned
And there are already mandated penalties for all those crimes, no real need to add even more time for some perception of a political theory.
A smart criminal could target a mostly Black neighborhood for reasons unrelated to "hate" and still get charged on appearances alone with more than the lawful penalty mandated for burglary.
I see no useful purpose to give a loaded weapon to an aggressive DA to add time for his own reasons, and not for some perceived "hate"...would all bikers be charged extra and no Blacks or ordinary Whites and Messicans? We all "know" Bikers hate everyone else not a biker...Hate Crime!
Did you use ethnic slurs to frighten the victim and keep him too scared to fight back? Hate Crime!
Did you murder someone who turned out to be someone you hated (gay) as well as just someone to beat the shit out of (random guy)? Hate Crime!
Matthew Shepherd's killers got nailed for their actions, hate or not they got nailed big time for 1st Degree Murder...didn't they?
I mean a lot of armed perps hate Blacks, or Whites, or Mexicans, or Gays, or Jews, or Catholics...hell, they hate a lot of people and dislike everyone else...no hate crime attachment is needed after they get the maximum penalty for the crime...and it wouldn't be actually correct under the basic idea of a crime committed only for a hate reason...I see no difference.
I hate ALL discrimination under the law.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
No. Someone should be punished the same whether they hurt a gay person or a straight person, woman or man, black, yellow or white... the victim shouldn't matter, only the crime.
I do hope there is a special place in hell for people that hurt children though
to me this post is all that really needs to be said.
how can anyone not agree with that post?
to me thats about the reality of it.
sad but true.
if the hate crime law must be used(which it doesn't) then it must be equally applied, justice for all you know.
unfortunately political correctness doesn't allow this in the US.
Philbert
Banned
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