Harvard Economics Professor Jeffrey Miron says Legalize ALL Drugs
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no, but thats my question...why make THE HARD drugs legal at all? what GOOD would come from that?
And how would it work? Its not easy to just legalize all those drugs. Since all Schedule I drugs have NO medical usage, prescriptions are not feasible. Is this legalization going to be global? It wouldd certainly have to be in order to work. So we make the public get prescribed certain meds, while much more harmful and addictive substances can be purchased legally over the counter? That makes no sense at all...and thinking that these legalized substances would "crush" organized crime...come on. thats nonsense. these guys are not gonna just go away. You think that government lab created drugs are going to be cheaper than what they can continue to spit out? nonsense...designer pharms are expensive as hell as is, its not unreasonable to believe that once legalized most lab drugs would be outrageously expensive, and the cartels would easily still make profit by creating a much less expensive (and probably easier to attain) form. Its logic, if drugs were legalized, they are still going to be STRICTLY regulated and expensive. Organized crime is going to do what it does best and continue to put out a cheaper product to make profit.
And how would it work? Its not easy to just legalize all those drugs. Since all Schedule I drugs have NO medical usage, prescriptions are not feasible. Is this legalization going to be global? It wouldd certainly have to be in order to work. So we make the public get prescribed certain meds, while much more harmful and addictive substances can be purchased legally over the counter? That makes no sense at all...and thinking that these legalized substances would "crush" organized crime...come on. thats nonsense. these guys are not gonna just go away. You think that government lab created drugs are going to be cheaper than what they can continue to spit out? nonsense...designer pharms are expensive as hell as is, its not unreasonable to believe that once legalized most lab drugs would be outrageously expensive, and the cartels would easily still make profit by creating a much less expensive (and probably easier to attain) form. Its logic, if drugs were legalized, they are still going to be STRICTLY regulated and expensive. Organized crime is going to do what it does best and continue to put out a cheaper product to make profit.
Agreed. If we still indeed have freedom in the US, a person should be able to waste their lives on heroin if they so choose. Just don't ask ME to pay for it!
Plus, it would take all of the drug money out of the hands of drug cartels, terrorist organizations, and other assorted miscreants, and the proceeds could go to pay off our astounding national debt. Win, win, win!
Plus, it would take all of the drug money out of the hands of drug cartels, terrorist organizations, and other assorted miscreants, and the proceeds could go to pay off our astounding national debt. Win, win, win!
It's not really sensible to try and draw comparisons to when drugs were new to society in general and their effects weren't really well known.
That is a weightless argument IMO.
:1orglaugh Of course drug abusers commit more crimes than the average person would be inclined to. That isn't making the case that a higher percentage of people will be drug abusers.
And claiming people will use more drugs based on what happened 100 years ago is just not reality.
I'm certain many more people were inclined to smoke before there was widespread knowledge about cigarettes too.
I suppose when you have to resort to facts like that it's safe to say the argument you're making is heading south.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
What this guy said. Except not super-addictive damaging ones (Heroin, meth, cocaine).
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we11 th5s adds a cog into the machine...why would you say the super addictive damaging ones shouldnt be legalized?
Jagger69
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"Super-addictive damaging ones"? You mean like, alcohol or cigarettes?
:dunno:
Of course that's the case. Do you think the fact that the drugs in question are currently illegal might have just a wee-bit to do with it?? :dunno: I don't know....just a hunch.
"super addictive" drugs are already legal. Some studies cite alcohol an nicotine as being more addictive than cocaine.
I don't know if this is true or not but there are some sources which cite this.
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super addictive drugs, and very unhealthy drugs (tobacco, alcohol) are already available. You are absolutely correct. It could be argued that there are already too many legal drugs out there. current policies aside, there is absolutely no benefit to society's health in introducing the free market with more drugs such as these "super addictive: drugs. Which when compared to legal drugs on the market and still substantially less harmful. BECAUSE THEY ARE USED AS MEDICINE!! DUHHH...Shcedule I Narcs have no medicinal use. So wtf, man seiously think its a good idea to let anyone who wants to pick up some cocaine and pcp, maybe a litle excstasy for the weekend from his local walmart?
super addictive drugs, and very unhealthy drugs (tobacco, alcohol) are already available. You are absolutely correct. It could be argued that there are already too many legal drugs out there. current policies aside, there is absolutely no benefit to society's health in introducing the free market with more drugs such as these "super addictive: drugs. Which when compared to legal drugs on the market and still substantially less harmful. BECAUSE THEY ARE USED AS MEDICINE!! DUHHH...Shcedule I Narcs have no medicinal use. So wtf, man seiously think its a good idea to let anyone who wants to pick up some cocaine and pcp, maybe a litle excstasy for the weekend from his local walmart?
Well studies also say that some drugs like cocaine and nicotine are not as debilitating on the human body as believed, just the "vehicles" or other chemicals used with them in delivery into the body.
But your argument continues to miss the basic point, allowing people to decide for themselves whatever they believe is in their best interests without threat of statutory criminalization (i.e. having broken no law or victimizing no one except for exercising the choice of inducing something into your own body).
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Not to :horse: but....
There are lots of things in society that are not "good ideas" that remain perfectly permissible and legal so what business is it of yours if I choose to put harmful substances in my body? If I want to sit in the privacy of my own home and shoot heroin, smoke crack and snort angel dust all day it does absolutely no harm to you whatsoever so why should you be able to tell me that I cannot participate in that type of activity if I so choose?
Of course, the drugs would have to be regulated (just like alcohol) and it should be illegal to drive while under the influence of them, appear intoxicated by them in a public place, allow minors to have access to them etc but to tell me what I can or cannot do in regards to what substances I choose to put into my body is oppressive at best and downright totalitarian at worst.
I don't think the drug cartels would allow a crack down on drugs or the legalizing of drugs to happen.
If they catch wind of someone talking about cracking down on drug use they will go after them and are usually successful one way or the other. If someone comes out and says let us legalize drugs I bet the same thing will happen.
What needs to happen first is the complete decimation of drug cartels to the point where they are so small and weak they are unable to retaliate with even a pebble. Of course that would spark yet another form of war.
Drug Cartels and foreign powers will not be happy to watch their economy go into the tank over legalizing of drugs. Especially if North America will be collecting taxes out of it.
I see pros and cons on legalizing. I just wish they never came about.
If they catch wind of someone talking about cracking down on drug use they will go after them and are usually successful one way or the other. If someone comes out and says let us legalize drugs I bet the same thing will happen.
What needs to happen first is the complete decimation of drug cartels to the point where they are so small and weak they are unable to retaliate with even a pebble. Of course that would spark yet another form of war.
Drug Cartels and foreign powers will not be happy to watch their economy go into the tank over legalizing of drugs. Especially if North America will be collecting taxes out of it.
I see pros and cons on legalizing. I just wish they never came about.
Well the the case to make illicit drugs legal isn't a matter of with or without drug "cartels". "Cartel" doesn't automatically mean bad or illegal.
Why wouldn't these people welcome legalization?? Though prohibition isn't stopping them, they are in fact catching hell from it.
I imagine they would much rather live like Ernest & Julio Gallo did than the Rodríguez Orejuela brothers or Pablo Escobar.
From losing product through interdiction to the threat of death and arrest...I imagine they would gladly part ways with some of their profits for legitimacy.
They've already built a successful business model for production and distribution of the product...who else would be better to continue the production than these people?? Why would they go out of business??
Look at how much money drug dealers/cartels make because it is illegal. You think they want to give up that much money to legalize it and then get taxed for it?
Bullshit. They will be pissed if it is trying to get stopped or legalized. They have the most to lose. Why else you think they shoot people and chop their heads off and leave them on porches as a message to those who try to stop them in the illegal drug business?
It's the business of dealing and killing anyone who gets in their way.
Bullshit. They will be pissed if it is trying to get stopped or legalized. They have the most to lose. Why else you think they shoot people and chop their heads off and leave them on porches as a message to those who try to stop them in the illegal drug business?
It's the business of dealing and killing anyone who gets in their way.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
That didn't happen when prohibition was lifted and I seriously doubt that it would happen with drugs, Whims. You speak of these groups as if they were some mighty military juggernaut that could impose their will on anyone at random. Hell, they are so busy fighting amongst themselves....what would lead you to believe that they would just suddenly unite into this fearsome unstoppable force? I mean, what are they going to do....invade the US or something?
Look how much money they lose now as a result of it being "illegal". Do you think they would rather pay whatever it takes to be legit through taxation, fees, regulation or whatever or lose hundreds of millions of dollars in confiscated and destroyed product each year??? It's a no brainer...especially when you remove the threat of dealing in the black market and underworld.
They shoot and kill their business adversaries because they have no legal recourse against them duh!! In business outside of the court systems, you can't take people to court for fucking you over. Their business is outside of any legal systems. That's how things are dealt with when you operate outside of the legal system no matter what the case is.
Because some of the drug cartels are actually military trained Thanks to USA.
I'm not saying they will come like a tsunami. However I don't think they will take too kindly to legalization. They will try and stop that by any means necessary so they can keep all the money and business to their collective group.
Yeah. And if someone says lets legalize drugs. That's getting in their way of collecting their profits. They don't want to share money and supplies with anyone else. Heck, look how many politicians, enforcement, and civilians that get killed because of getting in their way. Imagine if someone wanted to completely strip away their business by going the route of lets regulate it, tax it, and put drug dealers out of business and hand it over to the government and prospective employees.
I'm not saying they will come like a tsunami. However I don't think they will take too kindly to legalization. They will try and stop that by any means necessary so they can keep all the money and business to their collective group.
Yeah. And if someone says lets legalize drugs. That's getting in their way of collecting their profits. They don't want to share money and supplies with anyone else. Heck, look how many politicians, enforcement, and civilians that get killed because of getting in their way. Imagine if someone wanted to completely strip away their business by going the route of lets regulate it, tax it, and put drug dealers out of business and hand it over to the government and prospective employees.
I must be talking in codes or something. Legalizing drugs would not put the ONLY PEOPLE on the planet who have the means of production and distribution perfected out of business.
It would legitimize what they do...why wouldn't they want that??? Why wouldn't you or anyone else want that if you were a large scale producer of an illicit drug?
The only case to be made is a legitimate marketplace might increase competition but why would they fear competition when they are the most efficient producers of the shit right now?
It's a win all the way around for them.
Right now they are illegitimate, subject to murder and arrest ...and for what...to still lose hundreds of millions from interdiction anyway???
Oh, jeez, go shove it!
God I get sick and tired of you quoting my posts [and seeing you do it other people's posts] then going off on what you think is the right way and considering it the only way and infallible. Completely shoving everyone's posts out of the way by quoting them and posting your shit.
Damn how many times do I have to explain what I THINK would happen. No one knows for sure. I sure as hell don't need you coming in and quoting every goddamn post of mine with your bullshit.
So fuck off my goddamn posts you quote whore motherfucking troll!
God I get sick and tired of you quoting my posts [and seeing you do it other people's posts] then going off on what you think is the right way and considering it the only way and infallible. Completely shoving everyone's posts out of the way by quoting them and posting your shit.
Damn how many times do I have to explain what I THINK would happen. No one knows for sure. I sure as hell don't need you coming in and quoting every goddamn post of mine with your bullshit.
So fuck off my goddamn posts you quote whore motherfucking troll!
