bobjustbob
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My skepticism was that it was a money pit of bureaucrats. I get it now. It is an investment. I stand corrected and... f-you for making me look bad. F-you.
Global Warming/Climate Change
- Thread starter Mayhem
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I think we can do A LOT, if we all make it. It means we all need to do what you described. We also have to incite corporations to adapt their products and their manufactuing processes to Climate Change. And probably force them to do it if they don't do it. And we should help third world countries to take that turn as well as we do.
Just try this : go around your house and try to count all the different devices or appliances with at least a LED functionning even when you'rte not using it. Each of them consumes electricity even thought you're not using it. Do you really need that tiny red light on your TV screen ? Do you really need to have that clock on your micro-wave oven ? Would it make a big difference if these two things wouldn't features on these appliances ?
If you answred is "NO", just think that, to produce the energy that fuels that tiny red LED on your TV screen, fossil fuel energy was used. For something you don't need. that need to change, we can't afford to use fossil fuel energy for things we don't need at all
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Odd that if these super storms aren't the result of climate change that they're doing exactly what the climate change experts have said for years that they were going to do. Oh, it's so much easier to categorically deny everything from anyone you disagree with, but that don't make it so, and only serves to illustrate that those in denial aren't very bright.
Human activity => greenhouse gas => greenhouse -effects => ocean waater gets warmer => evaporates more => more hurricanes, stronger hurricanes
Mayhem
Banned
OK. We're going to put you in the file marked 3%. :thumbsup:
Luxman
#TRE45ON
Climate Science Looks Back to Predict the Future—And It’s Not Pretty
http://www.thedailybeast.com/climate-science-looks-back-to-predict-the-futureand-its-not-pretty
GOP Miami mayor calls on Trump to talk climate change
http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/...i-mayor-calls-on-trump-to-talk-climate-change
http://www.thedailybeast.com/climate-science-looks-back-to-predict-the-futureand-its-not-pretty
GOP Miami mayor calls on Trump to talk climate change
http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/...i-mayor-calls-on-trump-to-talk-climate-change
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Atlantic Hurricane Tracks 1851-2012
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Atlantic_hurricane_tracks.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Atlantic_hurricane_tracks.jpg
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
Every year its the same thing.
Hurricanes happen and the Fake News does all it can to make people afraid.
And every year they fall for it.
In a couple of more days N.Korea, Nazis, Muslims and Russians should be the boogeyman again.
Can't wait....I miss those guys.
Hurricanes happen and the Fake News does all it can to make people afraid.
And every year they fall for it.
In a couple of more days N.Korea, Nazis, Muslims and Russians should be the boogeyman again.
Can't wait....I miss those guys.
Mayhem
Banned
OK, as much as I try to give you air, this is where you've stepped on your dick, and since you like it so much, I'm going to stomp on it for a while too.
What the fuck part of this hurricane are people NOT supposed to be afraid of? Tell me. Go to work, go to school, and when a 120mph gust rolls your vehicle over call AAA? Nothing to see here, move along? Are you paying attention to anything around you besides your own paranoia and derangement? This is real and you being an asshole doesn't make it any less real. Many of those people, covering both sides of the highway to get out, are going to go back and see how everything they've worked for has been destroyed. Please point to the part of that that's "fake."
If you can't show respect for what people are going through any other way, then show it by shutting the fuck up for 5 minutes.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
Hard to get happy after that.
I'll try to redeem myself a little.
I grew up on the NJ coast. And when I say coast I mean our house was about 300 ft from the Atlantic Ocean.
It was on a Penninsula less than 1/2 mile wide that was actually an Island connected by a bridge.
Now I am on the other side of the bay from that island about 1/2 mile from the bay.
Everyday I look out over that bay and see the little beach town where I grew up.
I think about the children and the families I grew up with. Our little school with about 100 students.
The games we played, all the fun we had. It was our own little island......our own little word.
And then I realize those days are gone forever, I should just let em go.
But still it makes me sad because I know I can never go back. Never go back.
Never go back.
Oh fuck the hurricane! Right. Shit. We were talking about the hurricane and my apparent indifference to the safety and well being of fellow human beings.
Sorry.
Regarding that:
Every year people start freaking about a hurricane or two.
Every year.
And the only one I've ever seen to do any actual damage was Sandy.
I ived in FL for a few years. They do have it worse as far as the threat goes....but even then its rare that one really hits it hard.
But the News aspect of it.
They always overhype it.
Thats what they do. They are in the business of fear. Terrorism really.
Be afraid of what we tell you this week. Because people who are afraid are easy to control.
And this week they have a storm to terrorize the masses with.
So suddenly seymour this week N. Korea is not a threat, but they will be again once the storm passes.
Along with the other usual boogeyman, maybe a new one or two, and keep your eye out for a special guest boogeyman who may be stopping by.
We should have a dialogue. People on both sides should be able to agree that there is climate change and that humans are contributing to it. But rushing to say Hurricanes is because of climate change is wrong. Hurricanes are seasonal recurring phenomena. Climate change and hurricanes correspond to each other but correlation does not imply causation. The operative word is "enhance". Hurricanes are enhanced by climate change. Not caused by climate change. And people should respect the reservations that others have towards policy on emission reduction and regulations. Republicans like myself can accept climate change, and human contributions towards it but are reluctant to accept propositions that strong arm businesses with superfluous legislation that does little to address the matter or worst kill any incentive to invest in research and development of mitgiating emissions. The marginal cost of reducing emissions should equal the marginal benefit of reducing emissions.
I have a rebuttal to the Climate has always been changing so what gives ¯\_(ツ)_/¯,
1) The rate at which it is changing is concerning https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
2) Humans
- Are around and conscious enough to be concern about it. We don’t settle for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- We have different tolerances than birds and lizards in the past
- We are one of the most prolific invasive species to ever walk the earth. We live in places that defy logic. It only with the advent of irrigation, automobiles, insulation, and air conditioning units, power grids that humans live in places like Phoenix, Arizona to the extent they do.
- But factor in a bulging population and neglected and outdated infrastructure you have a problem that adds to the initial problem. You have yourself an unprecedented problem.
1) The rate at which it is changing is concerning https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
2) Humans
- Are around and conscious enough to be concern about it. We don’t settle for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- We have different tolerances than birds and lizards in the past
- We are one of the most prolific invasive species to ever walk the earth. We live in places that defy logic. It only with the advent of irrigation, automobiles, insulation, and air conditioning units, power grids that humans live in places like Phoenix, Arizona to the extent they do.
- But factor in a bulging population and neglected and outdated infrastructure you have a problem that adds to the initial problem. You have yourself an unprecedented problem.
Mayhem
Banned
Well said, up to a point.
Let's be clear that the Left is pretty much on board with everything you said. They/We are not the problem here. You said "Republicans like myself...". Yeah? And how many of you are you? I'm not counting very many. And I'm hardly counting any in elected office. So, "Republicans like you..." need to step up. Because right now, you're the guys trying to fight WWII from horseback.
Hey, no kidding. So we have hurricanes churning up the shit still leftover from Deepwater Horizon. But hey, at least we have high winds to scatter all the floating death from fertilizer and chemical plants spontaneously combusting all over Texas. I don't know you but if you don't know this, look it up: it doesn't take a hurricane for places to suddenly explode in Texas. My point? Good job avoiding those burdensome regulations.
Business leaders these days make tens of millions of dollars in salary and bonuses. As far as I'm concerned, when you're cashing those kinds of checks, you don't get to bitch about how hard your job is. We have a problem here, and if they want to make excuses for not addressing it, find somebody who actually justifies their salary.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
:goodpost: What he said.
My family was in harm's way with this storm, MP. Show some class, OK?
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
OK I can't let this go. They "overhype it" as you say because they want people to take to seriously in case the results of the hurricane (or other emergency) are catastrophic. You don't understand this? THANK GOD Irma didn't do what they feared it would. Local, state and federal officials have a covenant with their constituents to protect them. It's in the constitution so please desist with the fucking hysterical "evil conspiracy" crap all the time, would ya?
In the aviation world. one of the first things they teach you when you are going for your pilot's license is to ALWAYS err on the side of caution in ANY situation. The reason they teach this is based on the principle of risk versus benefit. This rule reads that if the possible degree of risk involved in a decision is greater than the possible benefit of taking the risk, you avoid the risk at all cost. So, in the instance of an approaching hurricane, public safety officials reckon that to ask the populace to prepare for the potential catastrophic events that were to take place were the hurricane to make a direct hit at a high categorical level is much preferable to telling them that there is probably nothing to fear and that the storm will likely miss them so it's business as usual. The risk of exposing large numbers of people to death and destruction FAR outweighs the inconvenience that people have to endure in order to prepare for the worst....whether it occurs or not. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of their covenant. I'm sure you can understand that.
I wonder what the general reaction from people on this forum and elsewhere would be if safety officials had done little or nothing to alert and prepare the citizens who were in harms' way of Irma and it would have scored a Cat 5 direct hit on Biscayne Bay. Yeah, that's what I thought. Please stop with all this dittohead gibberish already.
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Why? I have a hard time respecting anyone that puts profit above everything else.
Mayhem
Banned
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jagger69 again.
There is a part of my brain that is screaming, "What part of Katrina are people forgetting?" I don't even get the mindset.
Jacksonville seems to be in big trouble. What category Irma is at the moment doesn't seem to be much relief for a city whose river is flowing in reverse. And at this point, I'm not clear of how many people chose to evacuate this particular city. This is very scary.
There is a part of my brain that is screaming, "What part of Katrina are people forgetting?" I don't even get the mindset.
Jacksonville seems to be in big trouble. What category Irma is at the moment doesn't seem to be much relief for a city whose river is flowing in reverse. And at this point, I'm not clear of how many people chose to evacuate this particular city. This is very scary.
