And that's exactly what bothers me : In European sport with a championship format, about 90% of the times the champion actually is the best team. And, to me, that's the way it should be : If the team that wins the championship title is not the best team of the league, then something is wrong.
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To quote Danny Baker, "People say, well play-offs keep the season alive. Too bad! The season's been going for eight months pal, get it right the first time!"
Just because you have the best record at the start of the playoffs DOES NOT make you the "best team". There is a playoff for a reason and if you DON'T WIN the playoff, you ARE NOT the best team. You are the team that had the best record during the regular season... PERIOD. You are nothing more.
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I never thought I'd say this, but I actually like the European way better in this case. I hate it when a team that didn't win their division or whatever makes it into the playoffs, and just because they happen to get hot at the right time, win it all. The point of the post season is to determine who's best of the best.
You've been the best for monthes and because you lost match 7 you wouldn't be crowned ? That's fucking stupid !
In a one division league, if you're #1 at the end of the regular season, it means you're the best, PERIOD. There's no need to fuck things up with play-offs.
Having the best record at the end of the regular season means you've been the best on a several monthes long period and adding play-offs to this is stupid : a team that would have been great all regular season long but would end it a little tired or with some important players being injured or whatever would finish the season a little less good than what it used to be. Then, if you add play-offs at the end of the season that team would probably not be crowned, just because it happened that the team was in a down phase at the wrong time. Being in a down phase during the regular season would probably have had minor consequences but being in that down phase at this moment is a season killer.
Winning the play-offs just means you're the best at this particular time of the season, even if you haven't been that good the monthes before
But If we're talking about a multiple division league, then being #1 in your division just means you're the best team in that division (and therefore, having matches with teams from other divisions is non-sense)
Yeah....... no, topping the table at the end of the season makes you the best. Consistently, you won more than all your peers. Winning a play-off final means very little in comparison. The winners were better on that ONE given day. It's great for drama, but I've very happy that in domestic football the championship and the knock out cups are kept apart. The team that has the most points after 20/38/40 etc games are the deserving champions, not Johnny come Latelys that just happened to win the right three games at the right time.
Agree,
With the rankings here changing it won't make a difference IMO on the overall. By having division you eliminate the bad weeks where you have the porn stars that score higher later.
This is not like real athletics where you now who is the more talented team.
Plus look at it like March Madness.
In that tourny there will always teams on the bubble that should be in but are not because they couldn't get a WC spot from a set division winner.
In that tourny there will always teams on the bubble that should be in but are not because they couldn't get a WC spot from a set division winner.
i'm cool either way (playoffs + divisions or 1 division / league format) just a thought, if separated into divisions, newcomers get their own division since we are already at a disadvantage n terms of choicie of ladies
now regarding real life sports ... if you take away playoffs ... HOW INCREDIBLY BORING sports would become. outcomes could be known from three quarter way into the season because a team has locked up first place from early. why bother watch any other games. and you're a bit shortsighted insinuating a team on the come up late in the season is undeserving. if you want to be called the champions you can't just be good to start or in the middle of the season, you gotta be good at the end as well. that is, in essence, the BEAUTY of north american sports. i don't give a flying fuck who is the best team during the season, WIN WHEN IT MATTERS MOST. being the best in the regular season affords you luxuries such as home field / home court advantage which definitely helps but i don't care f you were the best if you can't beat every team at the most pivotal times. hence why there is the term called choking. if we just award the championship to the best regular season team, it sucks all the excitement out of sports. being the best means, beating all the rest when all the chips are on the line. NCAA basketball, NCAA football and american football are particularly unforgiving as well as magnificent because of this.
i agree with this. to win you not only should be 'the best' but more importantly be the best on the day, everyday that you play. beat me when all the lights are shining on you, when the pressure is so thick that you feel like you will burst, beat me when every mistake could be the mistake that kills your chances of winning not just this game but the championship. that shows me guts, grit, composure and most importantly focus.
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^^^^^^^Add on to Duan.
The top three still will be in the playoffs.Maybe top 4 if the draws came out right.
But no fuss on which format Pelvis chooses. I'm here on in fun.
The top three still will be in the playoffs.Maybe top 4 if the draws came out right.
But no fuss on which format Pelvis chooses. I'm here on in fun.
Thanks for your comments on different league types. With the beginning of the season just around the corner I'm going to leave everything as it is for now:
But who knows what the future may hold? If we grow bigger a split into separate divisions may be a good idea...
"One league, one heart - Let's get together and feel all right."
But who knows what the future may hold? If we grow bigger a split into separate divisions may be a good idea...
I'll only comment on the sport I follow, which is English football.... and that scenario never happens. I've seem teams be 12+ points behind the leaders at Christmas (half way through a season) and STILL come back to win the title, more than once, and the earliest I've seen someone wrap up a title is with about a month left of an eight month season. The drama is EVERY SINGLE GAME on the way there, twists and turns, hammerings, upsets. And it's remarkable how many seasons go down to the last day of the season and have produced some of the most dramatic conclusions the sport can provide.
Irony. If you think I'm saying you don't have to be good at the end, you've been incredibly short-sighted. Because like I said above, nobody can just drop off at the end, because usually, you haven't wrapped anything up until the end. A team that comes top of a league has to have been good enough from start to finish. There's a saying that after 38 games (in the Prem) or essentially when everyone has played everyone else twice, "the table doesn't lie." You can get lucky in one game or two, get shafted by a ref, have something inexplicable cost you a game that you might otherwise lose, and that's one game. And that's fine for a knock out competition, but if you're going to crown your CHAMPIONS, the season irons out anomalies (because they happen to everyone) and the order your teams finish, tells the order of who's better than who. Not in one or two games when it was just "your day" but CONSISTENTLY. Everyone played everyone else, and you won more than everyone else. It's quantitative, it's conclusive. OK, it doesn't always make the best "movie" as a play off final can, but the flip side to that is that I've seen some fucking TERRIBLE "play-off" finals (including World Cup finals) where the two teams play out a tense boring 0-0 because neither wants to make a mistake and it has to be settled on penalties. And there is surely no more hollow way of declaring "they're the best" by the lottery of penalties.
Don't get me wrong ; I appreciate the drama of a good play-off or cup final ; I just don't agree that national champions should be crowned in that way.
We're not going to convince each other, either way. It's all gravy.
i follow the EPL as well and it is arguably the most competitive football league in the world (well at least in Europe). watching Man City win the title the two out of the last 3 years was two of the best finishes (and one hell of a choke job by Liverpool) to a league title. but let's turn the spotlight on the bundesliga for eg. where bayern munich all but locked up the league title almost from about midseason. being a fan, what other purpose would it serve to watch the league but to watch the other top clubs jostle for the last two automatic spots in the champions league. now don't get me wrong, i actually believe that league titles should be this way (one 'division', winner decided over course of the season) but that's probably because there are knockout / playoff like competitions such as the league cup, champions league, europa cup etc. so you get your fill of excitement so to say even if the league is all but wrapped up.
i disagree (top being good from start to finish), solely because we've seen top teams dominate early and then limp into the playoffs on a bit of a slump (hence why patriots, broncos, 49ers etc. have yet to win though they have dominated their divisions more often than not the last 5 years & you see the opposite happen quite a bit in the NFL where number 6 (last playoff spot) seeds catch on very late and win it all ... Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Giants have all done it within the last 10 years. NBA, we've seen teams, especially high octane teams like the clippers & thunder of late, suns of the mid 2000s, the kings from early to mid 2000s etc. who always managed to be top two top three, but be major flops when playoffs rolled around because as they like to say in american football (and bball), they weren't 'built for playoffs'.
and as i said before, i actually think that league football should stay like this (league / one 'division' format). for soccer , that is perfect and all leagues have cup competitions. MLS as you know is different and has a playoff which i don't mind either. but for soccer and only soccer, i believe league format is best PROVIDED you have a cup / KO competition as well. as for world cup, those tense draws are still thrilling and nail biting. world cup is the one place where soccer needs knock out competitions over league formats, the world cup, as it is, is amazing. i'm glad, though, that they've reverted back to the silver goal rules in extra time instead of the golden goal they used in south korea 2002
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Possibly, but I don't know how the additional teams' drafts are coming along and only a few hours ago, the Commish said this:
That sounds further off than just today.
I just don't want to end up in last place.. which means I'll probably end up in last place.
Speaking of, does anyone watch The League? We should have some kind of consequence for last place.
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