Fuck all Religion!

[Atar554]

So where does your faith lay? Are you just beliving in all things that can be measured, seen, are grasped? Do you not have belief in anything beyond human limitations?

My faith is that all things are proven already, through God, who created it all. My challenges are discovering the means and ends of what is already here and accurate. I have no need to challenge God, just a want to appreciate what God has provided and to study and understand them if I so choose. My belief is in God. Just because I believe through faith, doesn't mean I don't have a desire to go to the limits set here in this universe, but I don't let those set limits define my belief.

You see I don't hold a belief one way or the other. No one can be certain of anything imo. And that's where we differ.

You're certain of one thing that lacks a profound piece of evidence. Something beyond individual experience. If that evidence were found today right now or in the future while I'm alive I'd gladly pick it up and add it to the whole of what I know.

Until that happens I don't feel it's safe to draw conclusions when we know so little about the world as it is.

That's just my take on things though.

Something doesn't need to be specifically "measured" but it should be observable by those who aren't already convinced it's there.

Things like prayer. There isn't hard proof that it works or has any affect; yet people do it and say it does. They choose to believe something that doesn't happen. How does one separate that from God. Why is part of a religious ideology true and another not and no one seems to care?

 

[Icewater Jones]

You see I don't hold a belief one way or the other. No one can be certain of anything imo. And that's where we differ.

You're certain of one thing that lacks a profound piece of evidence. Something beyond individual experience. If that evidence were found today right now or in the future while I'm alive I'd gladly pick it up and add it to the whole of what I know.

Until that happens I don't feel it's safe to draw conclusions when we know so little about the world as it is.

That's just my take on things though.

Something doesn't need to be specifically "measured" but it should be observable by those who aren't already convinced it's there.

Things like prayer. There isn't hard proof that it works or has any affect; yet people do it and say it does. They choose to believe something that doesn't happen. How does one separate that from God. Why is part of a religious ideology true and another not and no one seems to care?

Well this means you and I aren't so different.

Like you, I am not certain. I have faith. Faith is not based on human certainty, neither is belief. I have a belief in God, but am I certain in that? No, but my faith in God makes up for it. Yes, things, for the most part must be observable, but I don't believe its origin must be, as not all origins have been.

Prayer does work as a focusing mechanism, but I don't believe it goes any further. Even in the Bible, there are many instances where prayers aren't effective. The lords prayer, which is said to be the only true prayer, is an all-encompassing prayer. Everything else, I feel, is begging and denial if not used to focus ones mind and gather ones thoughts.

 

[Atar554]

Well this means you and I aren't so different.

Like you, I am not certain. I have faith. Faith is not based on human certainty, neither is belief. I have a belief in God, but am I certain in that? No, but my faith in God makes up for it. Yes, things, for the most part must be observable, but I don't believe its origin must be, as not all origins have been.

This is where I sound like an ass without meaning to.

Which God exactly? Which interpretation is the one you align with?

There's all the typical ones, Allah, Yahweh, Jesus and the trinity, Buddha

There's your dead ones, Roman Gods, Greek, Egyptian, Indian, Norse etc...

Or are you talking about a modern interpretation closer to say Einstein's. Where God is representative of the physics of the Universe and that that is the only true higher power one needs to have "created" the Universe and everything.

Though it isn't uniquely conscious or omniscient.

Otherwise we're dealing with a "God of the gaps". Science explains something and then God is stamped onto what remains of the "unknown" and held as proof that God is real. Till science encroaches further again, rinse repeat.

It's easy imo to say there's a God, but what exactly is so convincing to have people think that?

 

[Icewater Jones]

This is where I sound like an ass without meaning to.

Which God exactly? Which interpretation is the one you align with?

There's all the typical ones, Allah, Yahweh, Jesus and the trinity, Buddha

There's your dead ones, Roman Gods, Greek, Egyptian, Indian, Norse etc...

Or are you talking about a modern interpretation closer to say Einstein's. Where God is representative of the physics of the Universe and that that is the only true higher power one needs to have "created" the Universe and everything.

Though it isn't uniquely conscious or omniscient.

Otherwise we're dealing with a "God of the gaps". Science explains something and then God is stamped onto what remains of the "unknown" and held as proof that God is real. Till science encroaches further again, rinse repeat.

It's easy imo to say there's a God, but what exactly is so convincing to have people think that?

Nah, you don’t sound like an ass... its a fair question.

To be honest, a lot of mentioned Gods are the same. Yaweh, God, and interpretations of Allah are the same. The doctrine is different. I allign with Einstiens version, and the Christian doctrine for the most part. I look at things and think this was created. Then I went on from there. I believe that somethings are just that simple, and become amazingly greater once I get deeper, but I don't lose sight of my original path.

 

[Nester6]

Nah, you don’t sound like an ass... its a fair question.

To be honest, a lot of mentioned Gods are the same. Yaweh, God, and interpretations of Allah are the same. The doctrine is different. I allign with Einstiens version, and the Christian doctrine for the most part. I look at things and think this was created. Then I went on from there. I believe that somethings are just that simple, and become amazingly greater once I get deeper, but I don't lose sight of my original path.

All of those gods are made up to control man and make him feel good! Evidence for god? None. I get more from fuckin porn!

 

[Atar554]

Nah, you don’t sound like an ass... its a fair question.

To be honest, a lot of mentioned Gods are the same. Yaweh, God, and interpretations of Allah are the same. The doctrine is different. I allign with Einstiens version, and the Christian doctrine for the most part. I look at things and think this was created. Then I went on from there. I believe that somethings are just that simple, and become amazingly greater once I get deeper, but I don't lose sight of my original path.

Interesting perspective

It's nice to have a civil debate too. I'd rep you but I can't yet.

 

[Nester6]

Interesting perspective

It's nice to have a civil debate too. I'd rep you but I can't yet.

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[RichardNailder]

Jesus fucking Christ - here we go again......

 

[bustybbwlover]

Jesus fucking Christ - here we go again......

i don't want to go there

 

[CADDYMAN]

Im going with the FUCK RELIGION for no other reason than religious people are fucking annoying.

Where is Hitchens when you need him ?

 

[Trident1]

Where is Hitchens when you need him ?

On his deathbed.

 

[Nester6]

On his deathbed.

Bree finds religion in vid 1 http://www.jonsvids.com/gallery10/may/pink2/29/

 

[Nester6]

Bree finds religion in vid 1 http://www.jonsvids.com/gallery10/may/pink2/29/

Bree is a stated athiest.

 

[bustybbwlover]

did you just argue with yourself?

 

[Terry Sleeper]

With all this porn on my computer, it's a wonder any of my Sunday school sermons get written.