Four in 10 say marriage is becoming obsolete

meesterperfect

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Hell, I've been saying that for years now. I'm 38 and I'm still single and enjoying my life more than ever before. I get hit on by unhappily married women from all directions these days. I agree with one other poster who said that the American media has screwed womens' minds completely. Think about it, shows like Sex In The City, Desperate Housewives, & Cougar Town among others. What are these shows about? Desperate women who gave up on "being independent" and/or "being the stay-at-home wife" and are now looking for our dicks to satisfy them. It's all over the place. These women are looking to fuck other guys at any cost. And them some of them end up being like Alexis Golden, Janet Mason, and Karen Kougar and end up making a living off of it too.

That's why everytime I see those Kay Jewelers and Jared commercials I want to throw something at the TV set because it's obvious marriage means nothing these days.

yeah i'm a year older and now a lot of married women or women with longterm boyfriends hit on me.
they really just want to fuck , thats all.
gotta be careful though, where i'm at it can get you killed very easily, so i rarely mess with a taken women.
colombian men dont fight because theyre too weak and frail, they just shoot and run instead.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
The bulk of the comments in this thread make me sad. I love being married. I was lucky I guess.

I also think it is really bad for kids to grow up in a single-parent household. Almost every kid I know that has been brought up that way is totally fucked up. In fact, I would maintain that the breakdown of the nuclear family is a major contributor to many of the social ills that have proliferated in recent years.

I'm glad to count myself among the 6 in 10 who think marriage is still relevant.
 
Well I always hear women say that "I can take care of my child alone" "Don't need a man",etc........,but the statistics(if they are correct) say that SINGLE mothers are the absolute WORST parents.:dunno:

According to the numbers SINGLE mothers turn out way more incarcerated criminals,poorer performing students,etc...........(I know kids from nice married households fuck up too, but the numbers say singles are the absolute worst)


With the time demands of this modern society I would think that a kid has a better chance with more parental supervision. Be it two gay men or lesbian couples with kids or traditional male/female home(or help/stability from grandparents) I would assume these kids have a BETTER CHANCE at a more productive life.

I could care less about the institution of marriage ,but I am always disappointed a bit when I see kids with only ONE parent.

Though I turned out relatively okay/productive I can't help but think that I would PERHAPS be a better man had my mother had more help/stability(Though my grandparents were a strong influence).

I mean they can be together and not be married and look after kids really well. Being married doesn't automatically mean better financial security or mean the kids will be looked after better. So how is being together and not married worse than being together and married. It isn't. It's what you make of either situation that counts. An unmarried couple will do just as good as a married couple. Marrage does not put money in your pocket (or we'd all be married every one reading this) and that is the truth.
 
The bulk of the comments in this thread make me sad. I love being married. I was lucky I guess.

I also think it is really bad for kids to grow up in a single-parent household. Almost every kid I know that has been brought up that way is totally fucked up. In fact, I would maintain that the breakdown of the nuclear family is a major contributor to many of the social ills that have proliferated in recent years.

I'm glad to count myself among the 6 in 10 who think marriage is still relevant.

Not really entirely astounding however. You can see a country in America increasingly moving to the left. That influence on the other side of the pond does affect us over here, I think. Which reminds me, your post sounds really conservative, Jaggs'. ;)
 
The bulk of the comments in this thread make me sad. I love being married. I was lucky I guess.

I also think it is really bad for kids to grow up in a single-parent household. Almost every kid I know that has been brought up that way is totally fucked up. In fact, I would maintain that the breakdown of the nuclear family is a major contributor to many of the social ills that have proliferated in recent years.

I'm glad to count myself among the 6 in 10 who think marriage is still relevant.

Jagger, I like you more every day. If you weren't already taken...
 
There are probably several factors to this that are often overlooked about marriage today.

People live a lot longer today than they have throughout the rest of history. When you got married in the Middle Ages, the odds that your marriage would last beyond a couple of decades were probably quite slim, since life expectancy was less than 40 (even when you remove the effect of high infant mortality) and only one of the spouses needed to die for the marriage to be over, and it would usually be before all the kids were grown and out of the house

Now many couples (if they stay together) will live well into their 80s, and those who marry early will have 50 - 60 years together, including 20 or more years when they are together, alone, after the kids are grown and gone. That is a relatively recent phenomenon in society.

Secondly, the vast majority of people today have more leisure time than any other generation in history. That means couples are spending a lot more time at home together in each others' company, and given the changes in schooling, and the proliferation of organized activities for kids, less time devoted solely to bringing up and looking after the kids (for the mother, at least).

While for some couples that extra time together is no doubt a blessing, for others -- those who may not grow together after that first bloom of love fades (which undeniably happens) -- it only adds to the pressure of the marriage. I know three couples who have been married several years, and are likely to stay together as they raise their kids, but once that shared responsibility is gone, and they have a lot more leisure time to spend in each others' company, I already suspect that maybe two out of the three will end up separating at some point.

Finally, of course, communities are very different today than they were in past generations. Mobility is far higher, as is the population density, which means that both spouses will meet and get to know a lot more people throughout their lives (though probably not as well) giving them much more opportunity for meeting someone else they may fall for. And the relative anonymity of living in a large community probably helps facilitate that.

So marriage is a very different proposition today than it has been in most of the rest of history, with the biggest change being the greatly increased amount of time couples will have together over a life long marriage. One can make all the theological arguments you want about how marriage has always been the same proposition (which, of course, in some ways it has) but the reality is that with the great increase in life-expectancy in the last 50-100 years, along with all the other changes in modern society, it is far harder to achieve a life-long marriage today than it ever has been in the past.

I am not surprised to find that more and more people are seeing marriage as being less important today. It's probably mostly a reaction to those changes. I suspect that the vast majority of those who feel that marriage is no longer as important still cherish those who do manage to make it work for a life time. My parents know a lot of divorced people (many of them neighbors, most of them women) and they have told me that they are often complimented by those people (many of whom have every reason to be cynical about marriage) for their (now) 29 years together.

Therefore, I think many people still believe that life-long marriage is an ideal worth striving for, but that they are being realistic about their chances of achieving it themselves.
 

meesterperfect

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The bulk of the comments in this thread make me sad. I love being married. I was lucky I guess.

I also think it is really bad for kids to grow up in a single-parent household. Almost every kid I know that has been brought up that way is totally fucked up. In fact, I would maintain that the breakdown of the nuclear family is a major contributor to many of the social ills that have proliferated in recent years.

I'm glad to count myself among the 6 in 10 who think marriage is still relevant.

yeah thats being subtle but true.
and thats why i wonder why the government promotes it with the tax system and the welfare system.
a lot of people and a growing number use this system to live
millions and millions and always more.
but the thing is you gotta have kids.
kids that are from a single parent family.
and thats not fair for the child, the tax payer and the whole society.
so you get from this cities and towns filled with children from single parent homes or more likely being raised by their grandmother.
not cared for, anti social, angry kids who grow up to be the same.
its a big problem and like you said a major contributer to manly of society's ills.
so why does the government promote this?
thats what i want to know.

and yeah you are lucky that you found someone in the states.
a real woman, good woman........cause thats quite a task these days.
 
The bulk of the comments in this thread make me sad. I love being married. I was lucky I guess.

I also think it is really bad for kids to grow up in a single-parent household. Almost every kid I know that has been brought up that way is totally fucked up. In fact, I would maintain that the breakdown of the nuclear family is a major contributor to many of the social ills that have proliferated in recent years.

I'm glad to count myself among the 6 in 10 who think marriage is still relevant.

Ditto this. I love being married too. I guess lightning can strike twice.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Not really entirely astounding however. You can see a country in America increasingly moving to the left. That influence on the other side of the pond does affect us over here, I think. Which reminds me, your post sounds really conservative, Jaggs'. ;)

I'm sorry Scott but I don't see a partisan factor going on here. I know a pretty fair number of good, upstanding uber-conservative parents who have kids that have dropped out of school, are jobless and are doing (or selling) drugs so don't play that card....it doesn't wash.

And me, conservative? :dunno: Well, I certainly am regarding a number of issues. I think if you research my prior views (not that I would expect anyone to do that but....:1orglaugh) you'd find that I am very conservative on issues like marriage and family. I'm also very conservative about fiscal issues. However, most of the political discourse on this board has to do with social issues and on those particular subjects I am about as liberal as you can get so perhaps that's why you would be prone to labeling me in that fashion. Unlike some, I like to actually consider both sides of an argument before I make up my mind where I stand so therefore my stance regarding any particular issue depends on the issue itself....not some knee-jerk conditioned response that has already predetermined whether I am conservative or liberal so therefore precludes the need to actually think about it.
 

Elwood70

Torn & Frayed.
Ditto this. I love being married too. I guess lightning can strike twice.

In case nobody picked up on it,I hope so.

Every time I've ever said "never" with a certain conviction,life has had a way of making me a hypocrite,and proving me wrong.
 
The bulk of the comments in this thread make me sad. I love being married. I was lucky I guess.

I also think it is really bad for kids to grow up in a single-parent household. Almost every kid I know that has been brought up that way is totally fucked up. In fact, I would maintain that the breakdown of the nuclear family is a major contributor to many of the social ills that have proliferated in recent years.

I'm glad to count myself among the 6 in 10 who think marriage is still relevant.

I agree completely.
 
This thread is a little sad.

I don't care what anyone thinks about marriage, but anyone that tries to claim that a stable, committed, two-parent household is not the best situation in which to raise children...well, that person is a fool.

Can it be accomplished in other types of households? Sure...it can be. Hell, there are orphans raised in foster homes that turn out ok. But the ideal is and remains a married, stable, committed couple, and it should remain that way.

I'd be willing to bet that there is a direct correlation between societal success and the people that claim that marriage is "fo suckas."
 
This thread is a little sad.

I don't care what anyone thinks about marriage, but anyone that tries to claim that a stable, committed, two-parent household is not the best situation in which to raise children...well, that person is a fool.

Can it be accomplished in other types of households? Sure...it can be. Hell, there are orphans raised in foster homes that turn out ok. But the ideal is and remains a married, stable, committed couple, and it should remain that way.

I'd be willing to bet that there is a direct correlation between societal success and the people that claim that marriage is "fo suckas."

There is no question about it. There are also studies that show that children that come from non-divorced parents/households are much more likely to get, and stay, married. The worst is when you have these deadbeat fathers that split and leave kids with their mothers, and you can see the devistation in that sector of America.
 
I don't have a problem with marriage. If I ever find the right woman I wouldn't mind getting married and having a family. (Although I'm getting to the point, very sadly, in my life where that's looking like a very slim possibility for me.)

I can see why society as a whole people feel the way they do. Too many people don't take marriage seriously. Too many either treat it as a whim or treat it as some sort of tactical advantage, although the latter has been used since the dawn of marriage. While more people now might say it's becoming obsolete I think if it wasn't for the fact it was borderline impossible to get divorced in most places of the world earlier in it's history (Either because it was shunned by society so much or because women were treated as second class human beings and were practically treated as the property of their husbands.) that people then would have thought and acted like people now about marriage. It was often just artificial constraints that held it together as much as it did in the past.

I do find it sadly ironic that a lot of people that complain about the breakup of marriages and families and our society by extension are also the ones that look past or encourage our economic philosophies that almost force a two income society on the vast majority of us now that is a big factor in the reasons families break up, don't function, and marriages are strained in the first place.

Also what needs to be keep in mind is that the number one factor that causes discord in marriage is financial in nature. More marriages go bad because of financial strain than any other factor. If that was fixed a lot of what goes wrong with marriages would be fixed also.
 
While marriage isn't for everyone, it's sad to see so many people treat is like they do everything else these days - disposable.

I for one think that making a commitment like that is HUGE! Which is probably why I never got married :)
 

meesterperfect

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While marriage isn't for everyone, it's sad to see so many people treat is like they do everything else these days - disposable.

I for one think that making a commitment like that is HUGE! Which is probably why I never got married :)

yeah me too.
but i've seen so many friends, co workers and people i dont really know just get married basically on a whim.
and about 90% of them are miserable or their lives are fucked up not long after.
many people just hate to be alone soo much that they start talikng marriage after the 2nd date.i think its lonliness or fear of being alone that makes so many, especially american men want to get married to the first girl that gives them the time of day without thinking in the long term.
this is also one big reason that american women today have so much power in relationships, the upper hand so to speak.
so if anyone like that is reading this: think with your head, not your heart and your dick!

funny thing about the difference of the usa and where i live now in colombia but i think all
south america is the same.
here people today rarely get married.
they date while living at home for years.
here women have no problem being with a guy who lives at home and is 100% dependent on his mommy for his food, his rent, laundry , everything, like a child.
and they fuck at cheap hourly filthy motels.
its nasty.
but nobody here gets married, they just date, many cheat, and live the childs life forever.

I cant decide which is worse.
wanting to marry the first thing that gives you a second look or wanting to live like an 8 year old your whole life.
 
I plan to get married, I'm not afraid of commitment as long as it's the right woman whom I can grow old with. I hope I can be as successful as my parents, they never have fights and are pretty much like newlyweds even after being together 30 years.
 
If I am ever feeling the need to commit suicide, I'll get married instead. The outcome is pretty much the same and according to the bible I can avoid hell because I didn't off myself.:nanner:
 
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