"First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

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georges, to be fair, you know no more about American politics than Johan, and having visited here a long time ago, nor championing Reagan or forsaking Obama, changes that. You have an outsider's perspective of a process that takes much more understanding than what you may see in your news there, the same view I would have understanding what Hollande does in France or what my Israeli friends are dealing with on a daily basis; issues that aren't played up by pundits both left and right and overexaggerated. I'll say this to Johan too: both your grasps of our government are superficial at best, and while you each are entitled to your opinion, neither of you has the right to pretend that you know more about the workings here then Americans do of Europe.
I have a part of my family in the USA, I have been there several times and I don't think that I really have to receive any kind of moral lessons or reprimand from people who are way younger than I am. A person votes for a certain a candidate then it says about her beliefs, in a way or another. In all honesty and in all straightforwardness with you, I don't like a nanny state for many valid reasons. I have always been against that and will always vote against parties encouraging that. Don't think that all Europeans are uninformed about what happens in America, because a number of them care about what happens there.
 

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Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism"

I have a part of my family in the USA, I have been there several times and I don't think that I really have to receive any kind of moral lessons or reprimand from people who are way younger than I am. A person votes for a certain a candidate then it says about her beliefs, in a way or another. In all honesty and in all straightforwardness with you, I don't like a nanny state for many valid reasons. I have always been against that and will always vote against parties encouraging that. Don't think that all Europeans are uninformed about what happens in America, because a number of them care about what happens there.

If you feel you can reprimand Johan for not knowing "jackshit", those who support Obama, or those younger than you for being uniformed due to their age, than I think it's more than fair that you receive a sample of what you serve others. As I've said before, age doesn't necessarily define wisdom, so relying on that excuse that "I'm older, therefore I know more/better" doesn't fly with me or others here. I don't like a nanny state either, but I don't believe that Christianity plays any part in preventing it or stopping it, that's silly.

I never claimed that any or all Europeans are uninformed about what happens in America, that would be foolish. I'm saying that in broadcasting events that take place here overseas, there is always going to be some skewing of records or events, the same as there is here. But like here, if you're inclined to disregard any particular viewpoint, opinion, or source of information, you can't claim to be getting the full story and be entirely informed.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

You know jackshit about what you are talking, stick with la Seine St Denis, it is more of your knowledge.
Being myself an atheist, I think I know a few stuff about atheism. And since I've been a christian until the age of 24, I think I know a few things about christianity
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

The constitution was written with the understanding that government was necessary but it was not a guideline for governance. It's number one focus is for the rights of citizens and that we all had inalienable rights and freedoms granted by God and not man or government. It spelled out congress' authority and enumerated powers. To the framers, government was necessary but the only thing that they mandated government to do was provide for the common defense.The rest consists of defining the limitations of government's reach or granting rights to the citizenry. That is why it is such a magnificent document. It is simple for the citizens to understand and gives the power to the citizens. And it allows for tweaking if the people so choose.

That is why the constitution is not as revered by the left, it impedes government's power over the people, and does not enhance it.

Obama lamented that the Constitution is a "a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."


BC is a g'd American treasure.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Obama lamented that the Constitution is a "a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."


I've posted this elsewhere but it keeps coming back to me.


“Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under the omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

-C.S. Lewis

I think this is what our founding fathers had mind when it came to limiting the power of government.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

In some cases, tyranny is better than democracy.
In most mulims countries the tyrants are the only thing that stop radical islam to take over the country...

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In some cases, tyranny is better than democracy.
In most mulims countries the tyrants are the only thing that stop radical islam to take over the country...
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

In some cases, tyranny is better than democracy.
In most mulims countries the tyrants are the only thing that stop radical islam to take over the country...

In your example that's still one tyranny versus another.

The arabs in Gaza and the West Bank got to vote for their government and they freely chose the terrorist group Hamas as their representatives.

After the overthrow of Mubarak in Egypt, the Egyptians democratically elected the Islamic Brotherhood (the forerunner of Al-Qaeda).

When polled, what muslims around the world believe about sharia law (2013)

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...ligion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Sometimes a democracy is the proverbial two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

I guess it all comes down to who makes up the majority?
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

In some cases, tyranny is better than democracy.
In most mulims countries the tyrants are the only thing that stop radical islam to take over the country...

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In some cases, tyranny is better than democracy.
In most mulims countries the tyrants are the only thing that stop radical islam to take over the country...

Yeah like Assad and Hussein who killed their own people to hold their grip on power. Both still sponsored radical Islamic terror.


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Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

In some cases, tyranny is better than democracy.
In most mulims countries the tyrants are the only thing that stop radical islam to take over the country...

I agree with your point. It's the lesser of two evils.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

The tyrants that rule in Muslim countries have to resort to mass killings of the citizens to retain that power. Hardly a lesser of anything. I'd rather take my chances under Islamic law.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

The tyrants that rule in Muslim countries have to resort to mass killings of the citizens to retain that power. Hardly a lesser of anything. I'd rather take my chances under Islamic law.

If I was an average Iraqi, I'd much rather live under Saddam Hussein than ISIS.


If I were Cuban I would've rather lived under Bautista's corrupt regime than Fidel who was for the people.

we're back to robber barons vs. do-gooders
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

If I was an average Iraqi, I'd much rather live under Saddam Hussein than ISIS.

Well you just created the mirror looking into a mirror looking into a mirror looking into a mirror....
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Well you just created the mirror looking into a mirror looking into a mirror looking into a mirror....

which is worse? Saddam or ISIS? We overthrew one dictator for the middle-east equivalent of the khmer rouge.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

which is worse? Saddam or ISIS? We overthrew one dictator for the middle-east equivalent of the khmer rouge.

I bet Saddam's numbers of murder will still surpass ISIS' total in the same amount of time in power.

ISIS is a new entry in the equation.A better comparison would be Saddam Hussein's Iraq to an Iran with an Ayatollah and Islamic law.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

I bet Saddam's numbers of murder will still surpass ISIS' total in the same amount of time in power.

ISIS is a new entry in the equation.A better comparison would be Saddam Hussein's Iraq to an Iran with an Ayatollah and Islamic law.


If you and your family were in Iraq, would you rather it be under Saddam Hussein or ISIS?

Numbers Game12.05.145:45 AM ET


ISIS Fighters Are Killing Faster than Statisticians Can Count

The jihadists’ advance has prompted a murder spree so massive that some groups have stopped publishing their death counts for fear of misleading the public.

ERBIL, Iraq — In any war, it’s the wanton acts of barbarism that grab the headlines and reel in the news teams. But when it comes to showcasing the true measure of a conflict’s horror, there are few statistics starker than a sky-high civilian death toll.

In Iraq, where hostilities have raged in fits and starts for over a decade since the US-led invasion of 2003, non-combatants have been particularly hard hit by the violence. Many were caught up in the “Shock and Awe” aerial campaign that marked the beginning of the war, some succumbed to disease as the country’s infrastructure collapsed, and still others died in the brutal bouts of tribal in-fighting that marred the years following the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

Through it all, an eclectic band of organizations, ranging from a multinational team of anti-war activists to the UN’s local office, maintained scrupulous records of the dead. They logged every incident and released depressing day-by-day accounts of the carnage.

The emergence of the so-called Islamic State (IS or ISIS or ISIL) jihadist group has, however, plunged Iraq into a period of turbulence so debilitating that, for the first time, these death counts can no longer keep up with the killing.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ling-faster-than-statisticians-can-count.html

I'd take my chances under Hussein, especially if I were a yazidi or a christian. Hussein would kill you if you opposed him but otherwise you could go about your life.

We're not talking about good and bad, but bad and much worse.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Red herring. His contention was that tyranny was better than a state governed by Islamic law. Not a terrorist organization. But having to choose between a caliphate and Saddam, I would choose Saddam.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Red herring. His contention was that tyranny was better than a state governed by Islamic law. Not a terrorist organization. But having to choose between a caliphate and Saddam, I would choose Saddam.


In some cases, tyranny is better than democracy.
In most mulims countries the tyrants are the only thing that stop radical islam to take over the country...

that seems to apply to ISIS and in any of the cases where secular dictators, be it Mubarak, Ghaddafi or Assad (pending) who were overthrown and supplanted by radical islamists.
and in the case of ISIS and Iran, a terrorist organization and a state governed by Islamic law is a distinction without a difference.


Benghazi.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

that seems to apply to ISIS and in any of the cases where secular dictators, be it Mubarak, Ghaddafi or Assad (pending) who were overthrown and supplanted by radical islamists.
and in the case of ISIS and Iran, a terrorist organization and a state governed by Islamic law is a distinction without a difference.


Benghazi.

ISIS is not rolling in " most Muslim countries". The point is well taken in regards to ISIS but that was not the point he was making.

Your tolerance for Johan is admirable. I am not as patient with statists as you are.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

ISIS is not rolling in " most Muslim countries". The point is well taken in regards to ISIS but that was not the point he was making.

Your tolerance for Johan is admirable. I am not as patient with statists as you are.

It's not about tolerance. I think he made a valid point and the exact same one I've made elsewhere. We're better off with the Saddams and Muammars and Hosnis in power in the middle east than the alternative.

Viva generalissimos.

i kid. fuck them all. but some more than others.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

But you made the point not him. He was making a sick case for tyranny.
 
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