Dying Detroit: Haunting photos highlight the decline of US's once-great Motor City

Re: Dying Detroit: Haunting photos highlight the decline of US's once-great Motor Cit

As long as Texas is being talked about shouldn't it be mentioned that for a long time now Texas has been near the very top in the percent of it's people living in poverty and near the top in the percentage of it's people that make low wages?

So...how is all that working out for those people in Texas?
 
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Shit, if there is a Jill look a like up there, I may need to move.:D

I suspect the area is a hell of a lot dangerous than Resident Evil world, at least in that you can kill indiscriminately!
 
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So everyone in Texas works for the oil industry?:1orglaugh Sorry Meg try again. Blue states like Michigan basically punish businesses(and everyone else for that matter). Texas has little red tape to set one up, plus no personal income tax, and reasonable franchise tax. That's why Texas booms.

Care to discuss the $25+ billion shortfall in the deficit, also the recession has slowed up growth as well has increase unemployment allot recently?

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/19/news/economy/texas_budget_deficit/index.htm

Dont rip on Michigan until you take care of your own house
 
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Care to discuss the $25+ billion shortfall in the deficit, also the recession has slowed up growth as well has increase unemployment allot recently?

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/19/news/economy/texas_budget_deficit/index.htm

Dont rip on Michigan until you take care of your own house




Oh yeah ok.:rolleyes:


Kasich is doing what he can to put this wreck of a state back together. The Dems did a fine job destroying it. The Dems also did a fine job wrecking Michigan too. All the union bullshit, and high taxes made foreign carmakers look to the South to set up shop. A smart thing to do.
All the Dem/Unionistas are trying to torpedo what Kasich is doing. They don't give a damn about balancing the state's budget or making the state more attractive for business. Hell all they care about is protecting their very cushy union crap plus entitlement spending for the vanishing low income voter base that's moved south for lower taxes and jobs.


You can tell where the Dems have been by the level of rot in a city and by the sea of red ink when looking over the budget. The Dems are simply incapable of rational decision making and are essentially anti-middle class. They tax the shit out of the ones who can least afford it.
 
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Oh yeah ok.:rolleyes:


Kasich is doing what he can to put this wreck of a state back together. The Dems did a fine job destroying it. The Dems also did a fine job wrecking Michigan too. All the union bullshit, and high taxes made foreign carmakers look to the South to set up shop. A smart thing to do.
All the Dem/Unionistas are trying to torpedo what Kasich is doing. They don't give a damn about balancing the state's budget or making the state more attractive for business. Hell all they care about is protecting their very cushy union crap plus entitlement spending for the vanishing low income voter base that's moved south for lower taxes and jobs.


You can tell where the Dems have been by the level of rot in a city and by the sea of red ink when looking over the budget. The Dems are simply incapable of rational decision making and are essentially anti-middle class. They tax the shit out of the ones who can least afford it.

The Republican's have a majority 101-49, don't give me that crap!

Rick Perry has done his own flip flops as well! Threatening to succeed, then taking stimulus funds? you deficit would be twice as large.

Texas has taken business from other states on the back of oil and refinery windfalls, along with low taxes or none that now bear quite burden now. See Florida now as well. Zurich does pretty well doing the same, but having to support a ever growing infrastructure is quite hard like Texas has now.

I am middle class that grew up upper-middle class, Republican lost me years ago, but i do give them a chance. So glad you party said last year 250K was not that much money, but the teacher that make 65K that lives next door to me makes far too much! I agree everyone needs to share the pain a bit these days, but on the front page of USA Today CEO's are making a 27% gain, while the average worker has seen less the 2%.

I have voted for many Republican even Rick Snyder recently, I am still waiting to see promises kept.
 
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The Republican's have a majority 101-49, don't give me that crap!

Rick Perry has done his own flip flops as well! Threatening to succeed, then taking stimulus funds? you deficit would be twice as large.

Texas has taken business from other states on the back of oil and refinery windfalls, along with low taxes or none that now bear quite burden now. See Florida now as well. Zurich does pretty well doing the same, but having to support a ever growing infrastructure is quite hard like Texas has now.

I am middle class that grew up upper-middle class, Republican lost me years ago, but i do give them a chance. So glad you party said last year 250K was not that much money, but the teacher that make 65K that lives next door to me makes far too much! I agree everyone needs to share the pain a bit these days, but on the front page of USA Today CEO's are making a 27% gain, while the average worker has seen less the 2%.

I have voted for many Republican even Rick Snyder recently, I am still waiting to see promises kept.

E-A-H....(watch this):elaugh:

The GOP took control of US Congress in '95 were in control until '07, gave GOP Prz Bush everything he wanted for his first term and by the end of his 2nd term..they had run the country right up on the rocks into the worst economy since the Depression. That certainly didn't make it any better for the already struggling Michigan economy...

How's that for red vs. blue political blame gaming??:cool:

Now let's wait for the blustering excuses and passing the buck on that...:)

:popcorn:
 
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Rick Snyder is taxing businesses that want to expand too. It's a tax on buying new equipment; I'm sure that will encourage growth real fast. He's also cutting the benefits for film companies, one project that had a huge building set aside as already pulled out.

I'm also glad that Trident and others make one political party a scapegoat when both have a equally horrid track record. There isn't one cause alone for why Detroit is the way it is.

It's politicians, it's white/black flight, it's freeways being built through healthy neighborhoods like Corktown, and being destroyed by it, it's allocation of land around racial lines, it's cheaper labor overall overseas, it's NAFTA....

One big factor was the decisions by the once Big 3 to lend a huge helping hand to foreign car manufacturers only to start slacking on their own car quality in the 80's and 90's; creating a generation of people that tried domestic brands, had a bad experience then trying a foreign brand, having a better experience and giving their loyalty to them.

That said if you think about it, most urban cities in America are in decay. They're typically dirty and have their fair share of crime problems. When you look at cities like Tokyo the difference is apparent.

Detroit still has hope though, the problem is its' size now. The abandoned buildings and decay is alarming but it's because there just aren't enough people to maintain the existence of those buildings. Shrink the city and you'll see things reverse to a large extent with just that one change.
 
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I was born in Detroit. I love fishing the Detroit River by the Coast Guard Station on Mt. Elliot. I love watching the Tigers play baseball in the new stadium. I love the smell of fresh-baked bread at night from the bakeries on Joseph Compeau, in Hamtramck. Of all the posters in this thread, myself, D-rock,and E-Ann-Hilden are the only ones to list Michigan as our location. I don't know about them, but I'm staying in Michigan. The rest of you who don't live here, keep on speculating and blaming one political party or the other for the loss of population. I've enjoyed the show. :popcorn:
 
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The Republican's have a majority 101-49, don't give me that crap!

Rick Perry has done his own flip flops as well! Threatening to succeed, then taking stimulus funds? you deficit would be twice as large.

Texas has taken business from other states on the back of oil and refinery windfalls, along with low taxes or none that now bear quite burden now. See Florida now as well. Zurich does pretty well doing the same, but having to support a ever growing infrastructure is quite hard like Texas has now.

I am middle class that grew up upper-middle class, Republican lost me years ago, but i do give them a chance. So glad you party said last year 250K was not that much money, but the teacher that make 65K that lives next door to me makes far too much! I agree everyone needs to share the pain a bit these days, but on the front page of USA Today CEO's are making a 27% gain, while the average worker has seen less the 2%.

I have voted for many Republican even Rick Snyder recently, I am still waiting to see promises kept.



I'll never vote for a Democrat. All they want to do is tax tax tax tax tax. I'd like to hold on to as much of my money as possible and not have it extorted from my wallet by a bunch of Democrat/Liberals who are anti middle class and anti small business. Screw 'em. :hatsoff:
 
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I'll never vote for a Democrat. All they want to do is tax tax tax tax tax. I'd like to hold on to as much of my money as possible and not have it extorted from my wallet by a bunch of Democrat/Liberals who are anti middle class and anti small business. Screw 'em. :hatsoff:

Whoops....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

See, now that didn't take very long to bear out at all did it?:1orglaugh:facepalm:
 
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Whoops....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

See, now that didn't take very long to bear out at all did it?:1orglaugh:facepalm:




No I'd never vote for a local Democrat here in Ohio. Obama has mellowed considerably enough that I'd consider voting for him.

But no way in hell would I ever vote for a Taxocrat here in Ohio.

I voted for Kasich to clean up this unholy mess of a state.
 
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No I'd never vote for a local Democrat here in Ohio. Obama has mellowed considerably enough that I'd consider voting for him.

But no way in hell would I ever vote for a Taxocrat here in Ohio.

I voted for Kasich to clean up this unholy mess of a state.

Oh I oh....see now. What else would you like on that sundae? Never voting for a Demo unless it's on Sundays or unless it's exactly 83 and a half degrees in the dead of Ohio winter or unless the candidate was neither man nor woman but hermaphrodite....:rolleyes::1orglaugh:rolleyes: :1orglaugh

Will that complete your order?:o
 
Re: Dying Detroit: Haunting photos highlight the decline of US's once-great Motor Cit

I was born in Detroit. I love fishing the Detroit River by the Coast Guard Station on Mt. Elliot. I love watching the Tigers play baseball in the new stadium. I love the smell of fresh-baked bread at night from the bakeries on Joseph Compeau, in Hamtramck. Of all the posters in this thread, myself, D-rock,and E-Ann-Hilden are the only ones to list Michigan as our location. I don't know about them, but I'm staying in Michigan. The rest of you who don't live here, keep on speculating and blaming one political party or the other for the loss of population. I've enjoyed the show. :popcorn:


:dito:
 
Re: Dying Detroit: Haunting photos highlight the decline of US's once-great Motor Cit

I was born in Detroit. I love fishing the Detroit River by the Coast Guard Station on Mt. Elliot. I love watching the Tigers play baseball in the new stadium. I love the smell of fresh-baked bread at night from the bakeries on Joseph Compeau, in Hamtramck. Of all the posters in this thread, myself, D-rock,and E-Ann-Hilden are the only ones to list Michigan as our location. I don't know about them, but I'm staying in Michigan. The rest of you who don't live here, keep on speculating and blaming one political party or the other for the loss of population. I've enjoyed the show. :popcorn:


GREAT post!
 
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Shame to see such beautifully built period preperties going to waste, can't they be converted to sets for the film industry, could make Billions in revenue?

Motor City's perishing parishes: Haunting pictures of abandoned Detroit churches paint desperate picture of life in America


St. Leo Catholic Church was built more than 120 years ago as Detroit was developing into a manufacturing powerhouse - first in shipbuilding and later in car making.

Now, the brown brick building is at the centre of the next downsizing to hit this failing city: the restructuring of the Archdiocese of Detroit.

Today its neighbourhood is one of the most abandoned pockets in one of the nation's most desperate cities. Like many Catholic churches around urban America, it has been hit by a shortage of priests and a dwindling supply of parishioners.


In ruins: The abandoned Martyrs of Uganda church in Detroit, closed by the Archdiocese in 2006, is an example of this decay after a church shutters


Desecration: The organ of Uganda church has been destroyed and vandals have gratified the walls


New tenants: If a new tenant doesn't materialize in a vacant church, criminals sometimes do. Thieves often strip the building of copper or pluck out stained glass


Beer over wine? A vandal spray-painted graffiti over a stained-glass window that has been shattered at the abandoned church


The Church's woes are all the more acute in the Motor City, where St. Leo and the archdiocese are stark examples of the impact of the near-death of the U.S. auto industry.

Detroit's population-and the parish's flock-have withered along with the car factories.

Opened in 1889 at the start of Detroit's shipping and manufacturing boom, St. Leo was built to serve a parish in excess of 1,000 families.

It still shows signs of an opulent age: massive murals hanging on the ceiling above the alter, towering windows dressed in stained glass.

Now it serves about 170 families. The parish generates $1,800 in weekly giving - not enough to cover an annual budget of at least $100,000 required just for building maintenance, repairs and utilities.


Struggling: St. Leo's Catholic Church, in one of the most abandoned pockets of Detroit, is one of the many area churches to have succumbed to a priest and parishioner shortage


Lack of congregation: St Leo's has seen its numbers dwindle throughout the years as Detroit continues to struggle


Pews no longer needed have been removed from the back of the church over the years, and the space has been converted to a common area.

St. Leo's struggle with overcapacity mirrors its neighbourhood’s plight.

The streetlights a block away are wrapped in black plastic bags. Several houses stand vacant and, on a street where new houses were recently built, piles of debris from recent demolitions are uncollected.

The abandoned Martyrs of Uganda church in Detroit, closed by the Archdiocese in 2006, is an example of this decay.

Last month, Archbishop Allen Vigneron released a preliminary draft of the Catholic Church's third downsizing in Detroit in little more than a decade. The archdiocese has cut its parish count in Detroit's city limits to 59, down from 79 in 2000.

St. Leo is among nine parishes earmarked for closure in the Detroit area within the next few years. In 2012, its congregation is due to be subsumed by the larger St. Cecilia, about three miles away.

There is still hope for a reprieve. Archbishop Vigneron is considering a plan to save the charity work in the basement by potentially moving it to a new site.

The pastor currently running both St. Leo and St. Cecilia has proposed keeping it open as a worship centre used only occasionally.

But both are prohibitively costly considerations for an archbishop looking to shore up finances. He will deliver his final plan for the region in February.

'Almost all of us recognize that this world in the 21st century is very different than the 1950s and 1960s,' the Archbishop said in an interview. 'We have to not accept it, but to deal with it.'

St. Leo shows how the struggles of so many institutions in the Detroit area are intricately connected: vanishing jobs, a hollowing revenue base, an inability to attract investment.

When a Catholic church closes, the land and buildings go back to the archdiocese. The neighbouring parishes can come and take their pick of relics or ecclesiastical equipment. If a new tenant doesn't materialize, criminals sometimes do.

'If a building sits vacant for even a little while it's an excellent candidate for vandalism,' said Kevin Messier, who runs Real Estate Professional Services in Southfield, Michigan.

Thieves often strip the building of copper or pluck out stained glass.



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