Do you have Gypsies in the US?

[Philbert]

Get your grammar and your history right.

If you want to be precise and correct, Rom and Romni are the singular forms (male and female respectively) and the plural is usually Roma. But as the word was adapted inaccurately into American English the plural Romani(e)s also exists with the singular in that case being Romani.

And concerning your statement that the National Socialists ****** 500,000 of them:
Approximately 100,000 to 300,000 Sinti and Roma where ****** in the systematic persecution during the time of the Third Reich (called "Porajmos"). The number 500,000 is a mythical figure used for political reasons. It is as much disproven as the mythical "half a million American lives saved" by the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan. The only accurate number is that of approximately 10,500 ****** in Oświęcim (Auschwitz-Birkenau). The rest is pure guess-work, but history scholars put the final number between 100,000 and 300,000. Read for example Michael Zimmermann's "Rassenutopie und Genozid. Die nationalsozialistische 'Lösung der Zigeunerfrage' ", not some propaganda crap on the internet.

I would prefer anyone other than a German anti-Israeli to post a refutation of that amount...why would anyone but the Germans care if it's 350,000 or half a million?
How political is it to anyone not carrying the guilt of systematic mass ******?
Please...if a Romani was to post that, I'd listen...or even a Frenchman, or an Israeli. But you have low credibility...

 

[mrtrebus]

Of course there are Gypsies in the US. There are also tramps & thieves.
:dunno:

 

[Philbert]

Of course there are Gypsies in the US. There are also tramps & thieves.
:dunno:

You left out "Limeys"...

 

[mrtrebus]

You left out "Limeys"...

No I didn't. It was a reference to the Cher song which does not mention "Limeys"...

 

[Philbert]

No I didn't. It was a reference to the Cher song which does not mention "Limeys"...

You caught me out...I did not know that, and I was just plain wrong to make such a comment...beat me, please. :error:

[Sher just ran outa room in the verse...I'm sure she woulda added "Limeys" if the other verses were longer, but it just didn't happen.]

I'm going back in my room now...

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

What exactly are gypsies? Are they like hippies? If so, then yes, we call them liberals.

 

[Shindekudasai]

I would prefer anyone other than a German anti-Israeli to post a refutation of that amount...why would anyone but the Germans care if it's 350,000 or half a million?
How political is it to anyone not carrying the guilt of systematic mass ******?
Please...if a Romani was to post that, I'd listen...or even a Frenchman, or an Israeli. But you have low credibility...

Excuse me? I studied History, Japanese Studies, Political Science and Educational Science and I am a Ph.D. student. You'll not only find my name via google, but on wikipedia, historicum, the Association for Social Science Research on Japan etc.
But I have low credibility because you don't like me and decide to be racist and biased? I'd ask myself who has the low credibility here. But I just saw that someone finally did something about it. So, thank you, whoever it was.


Back to topic:
I always thought, "gypsy" was somewhat of a racial slur in the US. From what I read in this thread, it is still used quite commonly, isn't it? Like "Zigeuner" in Germany. It is somewhat racist, but not racist enough to be ****** from common usage. Or am I wrong?

 

[mrtrebus]

What exactly are gypsies? Are they like hippies? If so, then yes, we call them liberals.

No.

 

[Supafly]

Excuse me? I studied History, Japanese Studies, Political Science and Educational Science and I am a Ph.D. student. You'll not only find my name via google, but on wikipedia, historicum, the Association for Social Science Research on Japan etc.
But I have low credibility because you don't like me and decide to be racist and biased? I'd ask myself who has the low credibility here. But I just saw that someone finally did something about it. So, thank you, whoever it was.


Back to topic:
I always thought, "gypsy" was somewhat of a racial slur in the US. From what I read in this thread, it is still used quite commonly, isn't it? Like "Zigeuner" in Germany. It is somewhat racist, but not racist enough to be ****** from common usage. Or am I wrong?

Well written! The terms 'Sinti und Roma' are in use in Germany since something like the 80ies, along with the extinction of terms like 'Neger', too.

Still, those terms are hard to root out and they pop up a lot, still.

Sadly, in discussions like these, emotions and prejudice harms the talks a LOT

Some of us can't seem to snap out of their view on others and every new statement is just cast aside due to this.

Remember, the original post was asking if there were gypsies in the US.

I would say:

a ) Reconsider the term 'Gypsies'
b ) As of the statistics, if you are referring to the two groups that form the ex-gypsies, now 'Sinti and Roma' - you might want to contact this organisation:

Welcome at the Documentation and Cultural Centre of German Sinti and Roma

And, on a final note... guys, please keep it cool. In my opinion, FreeOnes should be a place about love and sex and making friends.

What's the point in all that ****? I for one do miss the hippie spirit a lot.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Excuse me? I studied History, Japanese Studies, Political Science and Educational Science and I am a Ph.D. student. You'll not only find my name via google, but on wikipedia, historicum, the Association for Social Science Research on Japan etc.
But I have low credibility because you don't like me and decide to be racist and biased? I'd ask myself who has the low credibility here. But I just saw that someone finally did something about it. So, thank you, whoever it was.


Back to topic:
I always thought, "gypsy" was somewhat of a racial slur in the US. From what I read in this thread, it is still used quite commonly, isn't it? Like "Zigeuner" in Germany. It is somewhat racist, but not racist enough to be ****** from common usage. Or am I wrong?

You're right. But maybe "racist" is the wrong word." It's more of an ignorant term. Like when we call Inuits, Aleut and Yupiks "Eskimos." Eskimo means, "Eater of raw meat." It's not a conscious insult, it's just that most people have no idea that it may be insulting or dismissive.

From what I remember, Europeans initially thought the Gypsies were from Egypt and that's how they were given that name. Now it's just part of the lexicon, like "Indians" and "midgets" and "Orientals" used to be.