Do All Britain's Really Hate America Like I'm Being Told?????

[The Captain]

This came up in the topic about the 14 British Sailors taken prisoner by Iran, on a British Glamor model's forum that I'm a member of. When I posted my views about my Country's (America) actions, these persons started unloading these rather harsh things at America(I'm only posting a portion of what what said, but the rest was no less as harse and hateful), and I hope they are in the minority! Please Tell me that all you British don't believe this stuff???????

QUOTE(Novech @ Mar 28 2007, 01:45 PM)

So why does the west turn a blind eye to terrorist attacks carried out by Israel?
Why hasnt the USA taken on Saudi, thats a huge base for Bin Laden supporters.
The Maldives still run with a dictator just as cruel as Saddam whos government is baath party.
America supplied the weapons for the Afghans to fight the Russians in the 80s (they even made a Rambo film to whoop along to)
Isnt that a terrorist act supplying weapons? oh it wasnt then but now there pointing at the Usa it is.
You state
"As far as Iraq/Saddam ect, these are situations where there are Human Rights violations taking place. I don't care whether its Saddam, or "whats in nuts" in some back water country. We are all members of the Human Race, and when there are those in power who commit such acts, its our moral duty to step in and stop them, not turn a blind eye to peoples suffering, and appease these monsters by letting them think that the world is to apathetic to care!"

ok i hope your protesting your government for the release of all inmates held in Guantanamo bay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base
On your own doorstep you have human rights violations happening in Haiti, any chance of invading there with more than a few hundred soldiers or is it to close to home?

The USA has a fantastic record of appeasment unless theres oil available.
And no im not some lefty liberal, im someone who has actually been and fought in some of these disputes and who is sick of watching the British government send personnel to conflicts that are based on lies and hype.
If the Iranians doe develop a nuclear weapon i hope they use it to keep the peace in the middle east a damn site better than we are.
When on the news you see that most Iraqis and even Kurds felt safer with Saddam in charge then even the warmongering allies should sit back and feel disgusted at the actions of our leaders who fed us lies just to topple a leader as a revenge strike for daddy bush.



Nail and head mate.

Tom you havent a CLUE what yout talking about!

I've been to Iran TWICE and Nima's right they dont chant that sort of thing, certain smalls section of there society do just like you have Christian CRAZIES in the US that chant death to homo's! at the moment.

Infact you have more loon bible thumpers in the US right now than Iran has Radical Islamists. And your leader that thick moron BUSH is one of them! Most Iranians couldnt give a toss, they live there lives peacefully. Nima knows I'm not impressed with there religious beliefs but he also knows I dont care for any religions. You yanks are on a Hate Islam crusade thats utterly pathetic and media fed! Islam isnt the problem, RADICAL Islam is the problem.

America don't give a "doggy doos" about the world and only EVER attack a country if theres profit in it for them! or if there being attacked by the commies!

Micks right the Jews have caused far more problems throughout history but are the Yanks attacking them??? are they buggery, the US is RUN BY JEWS, the top 10 industrialists behind the scenes are all JEWISH!

As for the current situation your all being conned. I can go to the jungles of borneo and still call home on a mobile that cost me £200, The UK vessle has sat nav and radars worth THOUSANDS that would have spotted the Iranian boats MILES AWAY!, and WOULD have opened fire if they were in Iraq waters. These troops were GIVEN to the Iranians, this way Bush and Blair drums up more public hatred and they get the public support to flatten Iran!!

Muslims arent the problem its bloody AMERICA THAT IS!, your destroying this planet in your own selfish need for total control and the fact you need over half the worlds resourses just to survive, and you need them CHEAP!. the only way to get them is destroying the eastern world!

The US doesnt give a DAMN about Human rights! never has and NEVER F**KING WILL!

The world would be better off if it was the US that was destroyed and Flattened!

 

[bodie54]

I'm not British, but regardless I'm going to take a swing at this.
Imo the answer to your question is a resounding "no".
I'm sure a small % do, but all? (or even the majority?)....not a chance.
Anger, frustration, strain, disappointment...I'd imagine there's been a good bit of that feeling towards us (or more properly the Bush administration) over the last few years. Thanks to that administration anti-american sentiment has been running rather high globally, but at no time has it been my impression that the long-standing harmony & brotherhood between the British and American people has been in serious jeopardy.

As for this asswipe.....

Micks right the Jews have caused far more problems throughout history but are the Yanks attacking them??? are they buggery, the US is RUN BY JEWS, the top 10 industrialists behind the scenes are all JEWISH!

The US doesnt give a DAMN about Human rights! never has and NEVER F**KING WILL!

The world would be better off if it was the US that was destroyed and Flattened!

It doesn't take him long to reveal his agenda, does it? He's just an ignorant, delusional, anti-semetic prick, and would be whatever nation he called home.

 

[D-rock]

Some of there criticisms are very valid in my opinion. On the other hand some of the things they said are pretty ridiculous. I will put my own opinion in bold because I don't want to have go through the trouble of separately quoting each point on the post.

QUOTE(Novech @ Mar 28 2007, 01:45 PM)

So why does the west turn a blind eye to terrorist attacks carried out by Israel? (I think it's a stretch, to say the least, that Israel has conducted continuous terrorist actions or is even remotely as bad as the Palestinians or the countries around them)
Why hasnt the USA taken on Saudi, thats a huge base for Bin Laden supporters. (Valid criticism, I say because are dependence on their oil)
The Maldives still run with a dictator just as cruel as Saddam whos government is baath party.(dont' know enought about it to respond and it's too late in the night for me to go around and check)
America supplied the weapons for the Afghans to fight the Russians in the 80s (they even made a Rambo film to whoop along to)(true and maybe a valid criticism)
Isnt that a terrorist act supplying weapons? oh it wasnt then but now there pointing at the Usa it is. (It could be but not necessarily, it depends on who the nature of the targets they attack)
You state
"As far as Iraq/Saddam ect, these are situations where there are Human Rights violations taking place. I don't care whether its Saddam, or "whats in nuts" in some back water country. We are all members of the Human Race, and when there are those in power who commit such acts, its our moral duty to step in and stop them, not turn a blind eye to peoples suffering, and appease these monsters by letting them think that the world is to apathetic to care!"(Ideally that would be great if we could all do that. The world is not ideal. However, people that live in glass houses should not throw stones. As far as doing something the US is basically the only country that has done anything significant in that regard since World War II. Even if our politicians have ulterior motives, and I'm not naive enough to believe they never do, we still go above and beyond pretty much any other country in the world.)

ok i hope your protesting your government for the release of all inmates held in Guantanamo bay.(Valid complaint in my opinion, and a tremendous amount of American's are. I wonder how many people would voice their objections in Iran or any other Islamic fundamentalist country if the situation was reversed)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base
On your own doorstep you have human rights violations happening in Haiti, any chance of invading there with more than a few hundred soldiers or is it to close to home?(see the comment I made right before my previous one, nobody else is expected to be the worlds police except us though, yet we get bicthed at it when we do something. I say we should almost never do anything from now on. If people are going to complain no matter what we might as well as save ourselves the trouble)

The USA has a fantastic record of appeasment unless theres oil available.
And no im not some lefty liberal, im someone who has actually been and fought in some of these disputes and who is sick of watching the British government send personnel to conflicts that are based on lies and hype
If the Iranians doe develop a nuclear weapon i hope they use it to keep the peace in the middle east a damn site better than we are.(That won't happen because they have a bomb, maybe the most that it might do is keep people from attacking Iran. People have been warring over there for millennia don't think a small thing like that will get it to stop)
When on the news you see that most Iraqis and even Kurds felt safer with Saddam in charge then even the warmongering allies should sit back and feel disgusted at the actions of our leaders who fed us lies just to topple a leader as a revenge strike for daddy bush.(Somewhat valid criticism. It doesn't take into account the fact that we are not the ones that are making the internal violence over there. We did screw up our planning for the war, but at some point the blame for violence over there has to be laid at the feet of the people that don't want peace.)



Nail and head mate.

Tom you havent a CLUE what yout talking about!

I've been to Iran TWICE and Nima's right they dont chant that sort of thing, certain smalls section of there society do just like you have Christian CRAZIES in the US that chant death to homo's! at the moment.(Of course you would have to take into account that people like that are universally shunned over here by the vast majority of the population, our crowds over here are much smaller, people openly oppose them, and our government doesn't support them. I don't think the same could be said for them over there where there is silent support or turning the other way by almost every single person in almost all Fundamentalist Islamic nations. The few people that have spoken out have been killed, threatened with death or exiled. Example: Salman Rushdie, pretty much the only person I can think of that ben critical on any large scale. By the Way, what country is he living in now?)

Infact you have more loon bible thumpers in the US right now than Iran has Radical Islamists. (highly doubtful even with a much larger population) And your leader that thick moron BUSH is one of them!(Bush lets religion influence him too much, but even he isn't comparable to Islamic fundamentalist in power in most Middle Eastern countries when it comes to that) Most Iranians couldnt give a toss, they live there lives peacefully. Nima knows I'm not impressed with there religious beliefs but he also knows I dont care for any religions. You yanks are on a Hate Islam crusade thats utterly pathetic and media fed! Islam isnt the problem, RADICAL Islam is the problem. (Unfortunately Radical Islam and Islam is a lot closer to being mutually inclusive. The statement is almost redundant, at least in the Middle Eastern and Asian parts of the world, where the majority of the people that practice Islam live. It isn't a case of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch, the bucket is stating to spoil and the fewer good apples in it can't do enough to make it look good. In case anybody was wondering, I consider sitting by and not even saying anything and looking the other way why they silently support them almost as bad as the people that do overt terrorist actions themselves.)

America don't give a "doggy doos" about the world and only EVER attack a country if theres profit in it for them! or if there being attacked by the commies!(Again people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I can think of exactly zero countries that care about the world more than their self-interest)

Micks right the Jews have caused far more problems throughout history but are the Yanks attacking them??? are they buggery, the US is RUN BY JEWS, the top 10 industrialists behind the scenes are all JEWISH!(Oh really, I would like this person to come up with the evidence for this. Sounds more like anti-Semitic stupidity than rational thought.)

As for the current situation your all being conned. I can go to the jungles of borneo and still call home on a mobile that cost me £200, The UK vessle has sat nav and radars worth THOUSANDS that would have spotted the Iranian boats MILES AWAY!, and WOULD have opened fire if they were in Iraq waters.(The troops were only taken a few km in Iraqi waters, not very far on the open sea, assuming the UK is telling the truth. Even if they knew they were in the general vicinity it isn't like they can take them down any time they want or were psychic and knew their intentions or even get to the boats in time to do something. All of this also depends on what the rules of engagement were at the time and how much the people on the ships wanted to start an even bigger international incident. In any case they should pretend to know what happened there or even what they are talking about) These troops were GIVEN to the Iranians, this way Bush and Blair drums up more public hatred and they get the public support to flatten Iran!!

Muslims arent the problem its bloody AMERICA THAT IS!, your destroying this planet in your own selfish need for total control and the fact you need over half the worlds resourses just to survive, and you need them CHEAP!. the only way to get them is destroying the eastern world!(Somewhat valid criticism. We have a lot of help in destroying the world though. In a decade or two we won't even be the biggest perpetrators anymore)

The US doesnt give a DAMN about Human rights! never has and NEVER F**KING WILL! (At the national level, the US started the concept of human rights, and again we are pretty much the only people that have done more than talk about it for the last 60 years. As bad as we are, everybody else is worse. They have either violated them worse, sometimes much worse, or did absolutely nothing of substance on the matter, no matter what their feeling about it are.)

The world would be better off if it was the US that was destroyed and Flattened!(Because we all know the next time some power-hungry dictator wants to take over all of Europe, or some other place nobody will be coming to us for help. If you think the US is so bad you can always have China or North Korea, or how about Iran rule the world if you want. I'm sure everybody would think it would be a lot better.)

 

[Aegis]

(At the national level, the US started the concept of human rights, and again we are pretty much the only people that have done more than talk about it for the last 60 years. As bad as we are, everybody else is worse. They have either violated them worse, sometimes much worse, or did absolutely nothing of substance on the matter, no matter what their feeling about it are.)

Really? Everybody else is worse? Certainly I agree that there are worse governments or state leaders, and I understand Americans who want to defend or explain the actions of their government, but saying that everybody else is worse, really does seem quite unreasonable.

 

[blakey]

Really? Everybody else is worse? Certainly I agree that there are worse governments or state leaders, and I understand Americans who want to defend or explain the actions of their government, but saying that everybody else is worse, really does seem quite unreasonable.

Good post Aegis - america certainly isn't "the great satan" or anything but a certain degree of arrogance regarding the rest of the world isn't the best way to make friends

 

[milky joe]

no mate. there are a few who don't (ie don't like war on terror, g.w. bush,) but every country has a liberal intelligentsia who attack America for it's gungho approach to foreign policy.

personally i really like America.

 

[georges]

On a car forum where I am a member I noticed some left wing brits hating Americans same goes here in France where some left wing and right wing fuckers have a too short memory and forgot who freed them from the Germans. I will also have to add that anyone saying that the Jews have caused more problems than others in history, needs to be beaten with a baseball bat. Blind antisemitism and ignorance of history are always a problem that many persons have even in developped countries.
About people who are in Guantanamo, if they are there it is because they were involved in terrorist acts and couldn't be put in normal high security penitentiary. I will also add that some governments are too much latitudinarian and not enough strongminded when there is an action to take in case of crisis. A lot of european governments are lead by leftists, leftists never proved efficient when dangerous situations or war happened and happen. Leftists (include in those socialists,communists and marxists) don't realize how bad is the situation now. Do you honestely think I consider Prodi or Barosso as charismatic leaders? Not really and I have and will never consider leftists as good leader. Do you honestly belive that the European Union of 27 will be a sucess? No, it won't and people who are enough reasonable know it won't last long.

 

[georges]

Good post Aegis - america certainly isn't "the great satan" or anything but a certain degree of arrogance regarding the rest of the world isn't the best way to make friends

Without America helping your country to fight the Germans, I am not sure if you would be born. America helped Europe to rebuilds itself with the Marshall plan. Perhaps the fact that America doesn't kiss the U.N ass and is enough strong to take action when necessary is posing problems to some people? Being fearful and trying to kiss the UN's ass is not a sign of bravery nor intelligence. It is just a sign of having no sense of duty, responsabilities and ability to take actions when they need to be taken. Not always diplomacy works, you can't negotiate with terrorists, fundamentalist regimes or dictators.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

Without America helping your country to fight the Germans, I am not sure if you would be born. America helped Europe to rebuilds itself with the Marshall plan. Perhaps the fact that America doesn't kiss the U.N ass and is enough strong to take action when necessary is posing problems to some people? Being fearful and trying to kiss the UN's ass is not a sign of bravery nor intelligence. It is just a sign of having no sense of duty, responsabilities and ability to take actions when they need to be taken. Not always diplomacy works, you can't negotiate with terrorists, fundamentalist regimes or dictators.

I don't want to spew facts and figures against you, Georges. They are available on internet.

Without England there wouldn't have been the present American society, nor Australians.

In the same sense, without Africa, there wouldn't have been any human society.

It doesn't mean America can be abused by all and sundry. Neither it gives the American State the power to abuse others.

In the global sense, is America any less a threat than Laden and other terrorists? Just because it is state sponsored, it doesn't make terrorizing legitimate. "American best" is not "World best".

Its better to provide the same sense of freedom to other countries that US holds up for its own citizens.

Being the biggest power in the world requires the country to be responsible. And in my opinion, USA was irresponsible to the greatest extent.

I had stopped getting in to this controversial issues, but it will be highly appreciable if we remember that each one has his own views and we should respect each other.
Sorry

 

[dave_rhino]

Individually? No.

But as a whole? There is a lot of disrespect for USA from my country, and the word "hate" is used a lot, but maybe that's taking it too far.

The majority of Britians love America, they just hate their government.

 

[calpoon]

I don't want to get on the subject of hate.

so I'd have to say that No, brits are probably one of the most similiar people as far as cultur goes to amerians, I think for the most part they don't have problems.

 

[jumbo_jim]

I'm British and I don't hate America. There are things about America I like and things I don't which is no different to how I feel about my own country.

 

[minidog]

i think its a case of the minority spoil it for the majority

 

[zoomput]

No we don't all hate the US but unfortunately we have got a media that is run by a bunch of pinko whinging cowards and a government who, apart from their leader, cannot face up to the difficult decisions.

The weakness of the established church is also allowing the growth of anti- christian sentiment and is emboldening extreme muslim arab views.

However, there are still plenty of us who are in full support of what our troops and US troops are trying to do for the people of Iraq.

As regards the current situation with the British hostages taken by Iran don't forget there is a long history dating back to the days of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. (now BP). They don't like us but that is no excuse for kidnapping our forces. Putting aside for now the question of what a military force was doing allowing itself to be taken so easily we should start getting tough. Issue an ultimatum for their safe return and if that does not work attack. If they really want a big bomb we can always let them have one.

A Brit

 

[Member2019]

The second the USSR died, the US was transparent ...

I think people forget that the US hasn't changed.
When the USSR was around, we were the "lesser of two evils."
Now that they aren't, everything we do is far more transparent.

The ultimate irony is that the USSR still exists, it's called Russia.
Hence why many former Soviet bloc countries are extremely US friendly.
But most western European nations feel the US has outlived its usefulness.

Also ironic because US strategic interests are also their strategic interests.
Especially the UK where our fiscal systems are completely interwoven.
Blair's not stupid, he knows it far more than most.

 

[blakey]

No we don't all hate the US but unfortunately we have got a media that is run by a bunch of pinko whinging cowards and a government who, apart from their leader, cannot face up to the difficult decisions.

A Brit

well - we can see that homophobia is still alive and well in parts of Britain (assuming that's what's meant by "pinko")

 

[Member2019]

Buzzz! Try again ...

well - we can see that homophobia is still alive and well in parts of Britain (assuming that's what's meant by "pinko")

Nope, try again.

 

[blakey]

Re: Buzzz! Try again ...

Nope, try again.

What are you saying now prof ?
To be fair - i accept some things you say vis a vis america as that's where you are from

the guy i'm quoting signed himself as a brit - like me

So you can say "Nope, try again", buzz or whatever - but in Britain a reference to the pinko media, particularly in a negative context, like we had here < well, i find it negative >

can, legitimately, be construed as reeking of homophodia

if there is another explanation of "pinko" then i'm ready to here it !

 

[calpoon]

pinko means communist. or more loosely, lefist or liberal.

 

[Member2019]

You really do assume way too much ...

What are you saying now prof ?
To be fair - i accept some things you say vis a vis america as that's where you are from the guy i'm quoting signed himself as a brit - like me

No offense, but you really do assume way too much.
It literally has to do with color, not sexual orientation or the suggestion of your sexual orientation because of the color.
And you're also starting to show your age (lack thereof) ...

http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=pinko

Many of the political alignments sold on the left side are the same that were sold by the Bolshevik's.
The term readily fits here, even if "emotionally charged," some people (myself included) don't like people that believe the Bolshevik's really gave the "power to the people."