Did anyone else catch Benjamin Netanyahu's speech?

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I watched it on C-span to get an unfiltered take and flipped between news channels afterwards to get a different perspective. Watching it live I thought he gave one of the most pointed, insightful and powerful speeches since Churchill's Iron Curtain speech. Was there a little fear mongering? I think a healthy fear of a regime that has expressed a desire to wipe your nation off the face of the Earf and is actively pursuing nukes is reasonable.

Was it scandalous that President Stompy Foot wasn't in the loop?
 
I should have but I didn't. As it turns out (semi-ironically) I watched a documentary on the '72 Munich Massacre and only realized that I missed Netanyahu when I checked the news sites.

Israel has very real concerns. But Iran is a sophisticated culture with a (believe it or not) sophisticated government. We have to do more than snarl and threaten. Acting high-handed with Tehran is not going to give a happy ending to anyone.

Was it scandalous that President Stompy Foot wasn't in the loop?
I am unaware of the personage you are referring too. Could you please clarify?
 
You know goddamned well who President Stompy Foot is.

......I'm going with Putin. What do I win?

And just fer you Pookie, I'm just now finishing up an unedited recording of the speech. Not bad, but if you're calling it Churchill-esque you might want to try listening to a Churchill speech sometime.

I must point out though, the man really doled out the accolades for his homey Obama (hey...come to think of it...was that who you meant by?....nahhh, probably not). I mean, to the unsophisticated layman, one would almost think that our President isn't vehemently anti-Israel. Of course, we will rely on a thinker of thoughts and doer of deeds such as yourself to let us know what he really meant, as he was gushing his praise.

Other than that, what was there in the speech that anyone wasn't expecting? Where do we go from here? "Fuck Yoo Iran! Do As We Say Or We'll Bomb Yer Ass...because it's working so well everywhere else."
 
I watched it on Fox to get Krauthammer's take (who I want to be just like when I grow up, minus the physical limitations of course). I like how Bibi was gracious to Obama then I fell ****** right after (been workin a shitload of hours). I'll have to watch it on demand or on the youtubes.


I've followed Benjamin Netanyahu since his first go around as Israeli PM and read one of his books. Churchillian is an apt description.


Standing by for the Hitler comparisons.
 
It's hard to take Netanyahu seriously because he's cried wolf too many times about Iran's nuke program.
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In 1992, he advised the Israeli Knesset that Iran was “three to five years” away from reaching nuclear weapons capability, and that this threat had to be “uprooted by an international front headed by the U.S.”

n his 1995 book, “Fighting Terrorism,” Netanyahu once again asserted that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years,” apparently forgetting about the expiration of his old deadline

A 2009 U.S. State Department diplomatic cable released by Wikileaks described then-prime ministerial candidate Netanyahu informing a visiting Congressional delegation that Iran was “probably one or two years away” from developing weapons capability

In 2012 Netanyahu said in closed talks reported by Israeli media that Iran is just “a few months away” from attaining nuclear capabilities. Later that same year, he gave a widely-mocked address at the United Nations in which he alleged that Iran would have the ability to construct a weapon within roughly one year, while using a printout of a cartoon bomb to illustrate his point.
 
I can remember back in the 1970's when people were running around like chickens with their heads cut off because we were definitely heading for an ice age. I remember Ted Danson or some other lib wing nut, maybe it was Alfonse Gorleone, saying the polar Ice caps were going to melt by 1990. I remember last winter people claiming, rather stupidly, that the climate change hoax was responsible for the polar vortex. The Earf has had climate change for billions of years before we arrived and it will continue to do so regardless of whatever we as the dominant species do or fail to do.

And every time those chicken littles are taken to task on their bullshit they create a new track and rename their bullshit something new or find something or someone else to blame.


It's hard to take Netanyahu seriously because he's cried wolf too many times about Iran's nuke program.
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In 1992, he advised the Israeli Knesset that Iran was “three to five years” away from reaching nuclear weapons capability, and that this threat had to be “uprooted by an international front headed by the U.S.”

n his 1995 book, “Fighting Terrorism,” Netanyahu once again asserted that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years,” apparently forgetting about the expiration of his old deadline

A 2009 U.S. State Department diplomatic cable released by Wikileaks described then-prime ministerial candidate Netanyahu informing a visiting Congressional delegation that Iran was “probably one or two years away” from developing weapons capability

In 2012 Netanyahu said in closed talks reported by Israeli media that Iran is just “a few months away” from attaining nuclear capabilities. Later that same year, he gave a widely-mocked address at the United Nations in which he alleged that Iran would have the ability to construct a weapon within roughly one year, while using a printout of a cartoon bomb to illustrate his point.

So, let's recap. When it comes to maintaining our environment, curbing acid rain and reigning in carbon emissions; it's just a bunch of enviro-libtard-chicken little-whackjobs. But when it comes to providing ourselves with more Mooslims to bomb, it's all about the Yiddish Churchill and his insight. You betcha! :thumbsup:
 
I have to admit I missed Bibi The Great's infomercial. I heard about Persian Bazaars but what about Israeli Price Is Right?

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"Clock radio from Summit! Is good! Has Toshiba guts!"
 
It's hard to take Netanyahu seriously because he's cried wolf too many times about Iran's nuke program.
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In 1992, he advised the Israeli Knesset that Iran was “three to five years” away from reaching nuclear weapons capability, and that this threat had to be “uprooted by an international front headed by the U.S.”

n his 1995 book, “Fighting Terrorism,” Netanyahu once again asserted that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years,” apparently forgetting about the expiration of his old deadline

A 2009 U.S. State Department diplomatic cable released by Wikileaks described then-prime ministerial candidate Netanyahu informing a visiting Congressional delegation that Iran was “probably one or two years away” from developing weapons capability

In 2012 Netanyahu said in closed talks reported by Israeli media that Iran is just “a few months away” from attaining nuclear capabilities. Later that same year, he gave a widely-mocked address at the United Nations in which he alleged that Iran would have the ability to construct a weapon within roughly one year, while using a printout of a cartoon bomb to illustrate his point.
Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly. You can't take Netanyahu seriously because he has cried wolf? He leads a country one third the size of West Virginia and Iran has called for Israel's destruction time and time again. It would take a nuclear warhead half the size of Little Boy to wipe them off of the map. Meanwhile Obama has flat out lied to the American people more times than I can count and Bibi has the credibility problem. I'd laugh if it wasn't so damn pathetic.
 
Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly. You can't take Netanyahu seriously because he has cried wolf? He leads a country one third the size of West Virginia and Iran has called for Israel's destruction time and time again. It would take a nuclear warhead half the size of Little Boy to wipe them off of the map. Meanwhile Obama has flat out lied to the American people more times than I can count and Bibi has the credibility problem. I'd laugh if it wasn't so damn pathetic.

Mark Levin said it best, "That coward in the white house relinquished the title of 'Leader of the free world' to Bibi today." Or words to that effect. And you know it's bullshit that the radical islamic denier-in-chief didn't watch the speech. He acted like a little bitch afterwards when Republicans AND Democrats gave Bibi 23 standing ovations. He looked like he was on the verge of tears because he fucked up a perfectly good PR opportunity.

The thing that fucked up today was Boehner caving in on Amnesty. That motherfucker gots to go.
 
Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly. You can't take Netanyahu seriously because he has cried wolf? He leads a country one third the size of West Virginia and Iran has called for Israel's destruction time and time again. It would take a nuclear warhead half the size of Little Boy to wipe them off of the map. Meanwhile Obama has flat out lied to the American people more times than I can count and Bibi has the credibility problem. I'd laugh if it wasn't so damn pathetic.

Before I get name called let me first state I'm not anti-semitic or anti-zionist and I believe in the U.S/Israel partnership.....I'm simply saying can we stop with the fear mongering? Israel is not a developing country. Israel is now a modern industrial power. It has the most powerful military in the Middle East, is the most battle tested and has a massive edge over all other militaries in the region. Iran is not an existential threat to Israel and this has been said by many top Israeli officials notably Ehud Barack and Tamir Pardo. This confidence comes from the fact that Israel's nuclear arsenal has somewhere round 150 warheads and if need be their combo of sea, air and land delivery systems give Israel the means to destroy every major city in Iran within hours. Basically what I'm saying is that I have alot of confidence in Israel that they can more adequately defend themselves.....it seems to me like you don't have any confidence in Israel at all
 
Before I get name called let me first state I'm not anti-semitic or anti-zionist and I believe in the U.S/Israel partnership.....I'm simply saying can we stop with the fear mongering? Israel is not a developing country. Israel is now a modern industrial power. It has the most powerful military in the Middle East, is the most battle tested and has a massive edge over all other militaries in the region. Iran is not an existential threat to Israel and this has been said by many top Israeli officials notably Ehud Barack and Tamir Pardo. This confidence comes from the fact that Israel's nuclear arsenal has somewhere round 150 warheads and if need be their combo of sea, air and land delivery systems give Israel the means to destroy every major city in Iran within hours. Basically what I'm saying is that I have alot of confidence in Israel that they can more adequately defend themselves.....it seems to me like you don't have any confidence in Israel at all

That means alot when Tel Aviv and Jerusalem are turned to glass and the rest of Vermont, I mean Israel is an irradiated wasteland. And you're assuming the mutually assured destruction deterrent matters to the Iranian leadership. Because you know, they're logical. This deal with Iran will assure peace in our time to be sure. Or at least until Obama leaves office.

Israel is alone in this matter.
 
That means alot when Tel Aviv and Jerusalem are turned to glass and the rest of Vermont, I mean Israel is an irradiated wasteland. And you're assuming the mutually assured destruction deterrent matters to the Iranian leadership. Because you know, they're logical. This deal with Iran will assure peace in our time to be sure. Or at least until Obama leaves office.

Israel is alone in this matter.

Yes I see Iran as a rational actor and both Meir Dagan, former head of Mossad, and James Clapper see Iran as a rational actor as well. Their aggressive behavior in the region remains tempered by a pragmatic concern for its own survival. Netanyahu says that this deal "all but guarantees that Iran gets nuclear weapons". In reality it's the other way around. This deal would allow for highly intrusive inspections of Iran's uranium complex. This would be the best edge against covert enrichment and would ensure that Iran would have a breakout capacity of at least a year. Without a deal you go back to the status quo of no inspections and therefore no possible way of knowing if Iran is developing a nuke.
 
Was busy all day with friends from S Cal came up. Just got to the news a little while ago. Doesn't seem like he said anything that couldn't be done in an email.
 
Doesn't seem like he said anything that couldn't be done in an email.

^^^Exactly right.

And the Mouth-breather Brigade does what they always do. ****, moan, deflect questions and offer no alternatives. I ask again, what is the viable strategy that Netanyahu promotes? What is the viable strategy that the FreeOnes Hayseed Party promotes? If we're not going to negotiate from some stance of mutual respect....what?

And you're assuming the mutually assured destruction deterrent matters to the Iranian leadership.
Yes, that is absolutely what I'm assuming. Why wouldn't that be the assumption?
 
It's hard to take Netanyahu seriously because he's cried wolf too many times about Iran's nuke program.
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Its hard to take Netanyahu seriously because he's contradicted by his own secret services


****** cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad


Gulf between Israeli secret service and PM revealed in documents shared with the Guardian along with other secrets including CIA bids to contact Hamas



Binyamin Netanyahu’s dramatic declaration to world leaders in 2012 that Iran was about a year away from making a nuclear bomb was contradicted by his own secret service, according to a top-secret Mossad document.

It is part of a cache of hundreds of dossiers, files and cables from the world’s major intelligence services – one of the biggest spy leaks in recent times.

Brandishing a cartoon of a bomb with a red line to illustrate his point, the Israeli prime minister warned the UN in New York that Iran would be able to build nuclear weapons the following year and called for action to halt the process.

But in a secret report shared with South Africa a few weeks later, Israel’s intelligence agency concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons”. The report highlights the gulf between the public claims and rhetoric of top Israeli politicians and the assessments of Israel’s military and intelligence establishment.

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The disclosure comes as tensions between Israel and its staunchest ally, the US, have dramatically increased ahead of Netanyahu’s planned address to the US Congress on 3 March.

The White House fears the Israeli leader’s anticipated inflammatory rhetoric could damage sensitive negotiations between Tehran and the world’s six big powers over Iran’s nuclear programme. The deadline to agree on a framework is in late March, with the final settlement to come on 30 June. Netanyahu has vowed to block an agreement he claims would give Iran access to a nuclear weapons capability.

The US president, Barack Obama, will not meet Netanyahu during his visit, saying protocol precludes a meeting so close to next month’s general election in Israel.

The documents, almost all marked as confidential or top secret, span almost a decade of global intelligence traffic, from 2006 to December last year. It has been ****** to the al-Jazeera investigative unit and shared with the Guardian.

The papers include details of operations against al-Qaida, Islamic State and other terrorist organisations, but also the targeting of environmental activists.

The files reveal that:

• The CIA attempted to establish contact with Hamas in spite of a US ban.

• South Korean intelligence targeted the leader of Greenpeace.

• Barack Obama “threatened” the Palestinian president to withdraw a bid for recognition of Palestine at the UN.

• South African intelligence spied on Russia over a controversial $100m joint satellite deal.

The cache, which has been independently authenticated by the Guardian, mainly involves exchanges between South Africa’s intelligence agency and its counterparts around the world. It is not the entire volume of traffic but a selective leak.

One of the biggest hauls is from Mossad. But there are also documents from Russia’s FSB, which is responsible for counter-terrorism. Such leaks of Russian material are extremely rare.

Other spy agencies caught up in the trawl include those of the US, Britain, France, Jordan, the UAE, Oman and several African nations.

The scale of the leak, coming 20 months after US whistleblower Edward Snowden handed over tens of thousands of NSA and GCHQ documents to the Guardian, highlights the increasing inability of intelligence agencies to keep their secrets secure.

While the Snowden trove revealed the scale of technological surveillance, the latest spy cables deal with espionage at street level – known to the intelligence agencies as human intelligence, or “humint”. They include surveillance reports, inter-agency information trading, disinformation and backbiting, as well as evidence of infiltration, theft and *********.

The leaks show how Africa is becoming increasingly important for global espionage, with the US and other western states building up their presence on the continent and China expanding its economic influence. One serving intelligence officer told the Guardian: “South Africa is the El Dorado of espionage.”

Africa has also become caught up in the US, Israeli and British covert global campaigns to stem the spread of Iranian influence, tighten sanctions and block its nuclear programme.

The Mossad briefing about Iran’s nuclear programme in 2012 was in stark contrast to the alarmist tone set by Netanyahu, who has long presented the Iranian nuclear programme as an existential threat to Israel and a huge risk to world security. The Israeli prime minister told the UN: “By next spring, at most by next summer, at current enrichment rates, they will have finished the medium enrichment and move[d] on to the final stage. From there, it’s only a few months, possibly a few weeks before they get enough enriched uranium for the first bomb.”

He said his information was not based on secret information or military intelligence but International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reports.

Behind the scenes, Mossad took a different view. In a report shared with South African spies on 22 October 2012 – but likely written earlier – it conceded that Iran was “working to close gaps in areas that appear legitimate, such as enrichment reactors, which will reduce the time required to produce weapons from the time the instruction is actually given”.

But the report also states that Iran “does not appear to be ready” to enrich uranium to the higher levels necessary for nuclear weapons. To build a bomb requires enrichment to 90%. Mossad estimated that Iran then had “about 100kg of material enriched to 20%” (which was later diluted or converted under the terms of the 2013 Geneva agreement). Iran has always said it is developing a nuclear programme for civilian energy purposes.

Last week, Netanyahu’s office repeated the claim that “Iran is closer than ever today to obtaining enriched material for a nuclear bomb” in a statement in response to an IAEA report.

A senior Israeli government official said there was no contradiction between Netanyahu’s statements on the Iranian nuclear threat and “the quotes in your story – allegedly from Israeli intelligence”. Both the prime minister and Mossad said Iran was enriching uranium in order to produce weapons, he added.

“Israel believes the proposed nuclear deal with Iran is a bad deal, for it enables the world’s foremost ****** state to create capabilities to produce the elements necessary for a nuclear bomb,” he said.

However, Mossad had been at odds with Netanyahu on Iran before. The former Mossad chief Meir Dagan, who left office in December 2010, let it be known that he had opposed an order from Netanyahu to prepare a military ****** on Iran.

Other members of Israel’s security establishment were riled by Netanyahu’s rhetoric on the Iranian nuclear threat and his advocacy of military confrontation. In April 2012, a former head of Shin Bet, Israel’s internal security agency, accused Netanyahu of “messianic” political leadership for pressing for military action, saying he and the then defence minister, Ehud Barak, were misleading the public on the Iran issue. Benny Gantz, the Israeli military chief of staff, said decisions on tackling Iran “must be made carefully, out of historic responsibility but without hysteria”.

There were also suspicions in Washington that Netanyahu was seeking to bounce Obama into taking a more hawkish line on Iran.

A few days before Netanyahu’s speech to the UN, the then US defence secretary, Leon Panetta, accused the Israeli prime minister of trying to ***** the US into a corner. “The fact is … presidents of the United States, prime ministers of Israel or any other country … don’t have, you know, a bunch of little red lines that determine their decisions,” he said.

“What they have are facts that are presented to them about what a country is up to, and then they weigh what kind of action is needed in order to deal with that situation. I mean, that’s the real world. Red lines are kind of political arguments that are used to try to put people in a corner.”
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It's hard to take Netanyahu seriously because he's cried wolf too many times about Iran's nuke program.
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It's hard to take Netanyahu serious ly because his own former secret services chief urges israeli voters not ot vote for him and says his policies are "destructive to the future and security of Israel"



Former Mossad head urges Israeli voters to oust Binyamin Netanyahu


Meir Dagan says prime minister’s policies are ‘destructive to the future and security of Israel’




A former head of Israel’s foreign intelligence service Mossad is urging voters to oust Binyamin Netanyahu in the next general election, accusing the prime minister of endangering the country’s security with his stance on the Iranian nuclear programme.

Meir Dagan, a vocal critic of Netanyahu’s Iran policy since stepping down as Mossad chief four years ago, is to be a keynote speaker at a rally in Tel Aviv next weekend, calling on the public to turf the prime minister out of office on 17 March.

Netanyahu was due to fly to Washington on Friday.

In a trenchant critique of Netanyahu’s leadership, delivered in a long interview in Israel’s biggest-selling newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, Dagan said the prime minister’s policies were “destructive to the future and security of Israel”.

Netanyahu’s planned speech has brought the already uncomfortable state of relations with the Obama administration to a new low amid suspicion that the speech – at the invitation of Republican house speaker John Boehner – was designed to enhance the Israeli prime minister’s electoral prospects.

Netanyahu has said he believes that his speech is necessary to strengthen opposition to a potential nuclear deal with Iran being negotiated by the US and key allies.

The intervention by Dagan – who ended his tenure as the head of Mossad in 2011 – is doubly significant because he shares the prime minister’s view over the risk posed by a nuclear Iran and is regarded as generally hawkish on defence and security matters.

Netanyahu has made security and the Iranian nuclear programme – and the US-led negotiations to contain it – his key election issue.

Recent days have also seen anonymous criticism of Netanyahu’s speech from serving intelligence officers as well as from former diplomats and political figures in Israel, including Isaac Herzog, the leader of the opposition.

Saying that he was aware that Israel was already “paying a high price” over the confrontation with the Obama administration – albeit in ways he could not disclose – Dagan said: “The person causing the most strategic harm to Israel on the Iranian issue is the prime minister.

“As someone who has served Israel in various security capacities for 45 years, including during the country’s most difficult hours, I feel that we are now at a critical point regarding our existence and our security.

“Our standing in the world is not brilliant right now. The question of Israel’s legitimacy is up for debate. We should not erode our relations with our most important friend. Certainly not in public, certainly not by becoming involved in its domestic politics. This is not proper behaviour for a prime minister.”

Insisting he held no personal animus towards Netanyahu, who had helped him get a liver transplant, he said: “I have no personal issue with the prime minister, his wife, his spending and the way he conducts himself. I’m talking about the country he leads.

“An Israeli prime minister who clashes with the US administration has to ask himself what the risks are. On the matter of settlements, there is no difference between the two [US] parties. And even so, they provide us with a veto umbrella. In a situation of a confrontation, this umbrella is liable to vanish, and within a short time, Israel could find itself facing international sanctions.

“The risks of such a clash are intolerable. We are already today paying a high price. Some of them I know and cannot elaborate.

“I would not have confronted the United States and its president. Netanyahu may get applause in Congress, but all the power is in the White House. What will Netanyahu gain by addressing Congress? I just don’t understand it. Is his goal to get a standing ovation? This trip to Washington is doomed to failure.”

Dagan’s intervention follows that of fellow former Mossad head Shabtai Shavit and the former head of the elite Sayeret Matkal commando unit who are among scores of former commanders involved in a video published on Facebook calling for Israel to replace Netanyahu.

Netanyahu’s determination to push on with his speech has seen unusually critical remarks from senior US administration officials in the last week who have gone out of their way to express their displeasure.

Among them was John Kerry, the secretary of state, who openly questioned Netanyahu’s judgment on the issue, and Obama’s national security adviser Susan Rice who warned that it was “destructive to the fabric” of US-Israeli relations.

Netanyahu’s plans to speak to Congress have also irritated many Democratic party members who view the speech as a partisan intervention in US politics on the side of the Republican party, prompting a number of Democrats to say they would not attend the speech.

The speech is also being snubbed by Obama and Joe Biden, his vice president.

After leaving Mossad, Dagan went public with his criticism of Netanyahu’s Iran policy, saying a military ****** on Iran was “the stupidest thing I have ever heard”.
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And you're assuming the mutually assured destruction deterrent matters to the Iranian leadership.

Yes, that is absolutely what I'm assuming. Why wouldn't that be the assumption?


I think you sum it up rather well in another thread:

Creationists scare the hell out of me. The Theory of Evolution is not a theory. And those who deny the simplist of facts are not people I want to see in power.
^^^ This isn't just a talking point with me. I've worked with religeous fanatics. They are scary people. As God is my witness (ironically) one guy I knew didn't think he needed to perform routine maintenence on his Army vehicle because God would keep it running for him.


Or how about an Iranian regime who believes it's their role to usher in a worldwide islamic revolution and the return of their 12th Imam (their messiah, if you will) in which all infidels will be ******, starting with the jews. Iran puts it's religious rhetoric to practice. They are a state sponsor of numerous islamic terrorist groups and have put the suicide in suicide bomber. Nuclear-armed mullahs in Iran wouldn't have too much difficulty weighing the pros/cons of a nuclear strike against Israel. The Zionist Entity wiped out vs. millions of their own people who they care so much for. And besides, Allah would protect them.


But yeah, you have more to fear from a bible-believing christian in the White House, because that's unprecedented.
 
Or how about an Iranian regime who believes it's their role to usher in a worldwide islamic revolution and the return of their 12th Imam (their messiah, if you will) in which all infidels will be ******, starting with the jews. Iran puts it's religious rhetoric to practice. They are a state sponsor of numerous islamic terrorist groups and have put the suicide in suicide bomber. Nuclear-armed mullahs in Iran wouldn't have too much difficulty weighing the pros/cons of a nuclear strike against Israel. The Zionist Entity wiped out vs. millions of their own people who they care so much for. And besides, Allah would protect them.


But yeah, you have more to fear from a bible-believing christian in the White House, because that's unprecedented.

There's parts to this that I agree with, just not up to the point of mutually assured destruction. You're painting them way more fanatical than they really are. Their ideology ends long before Mad Max begins.

But again, I ask the same question I've been asking: If we don't want to talk to them, but we don't want to go to war with them; what's your solution? As some of us have pointed out, and as the press has pointed out, Netanyahu's speech offered nothing that we didn't already know. And he offered no Plan B. He offered no alternative strategy. If you don't have a better strategy, don't bitch about the one that's being used.

And nice job misrepresenting what I said after quoting me. I never said anything about "bible believing Christians". I said "Creationists". And you know and I know and everyone here knows that there is an infinitely large expanse between those who use the Bible for guidance and solace, and those who think the world is 25,000 years old and started with two nudists and their pet snake.
 
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