Democrats, Embrace Same-Sex Marriage Now!

I'm tired of Obama saying he's "evolving" on the issue of gay marriage. Today Biden went on Meet The Press and essentially came out and supported same-sex marriage and immediately the administration puts out a statement walking back his comments. The Democrats should place same-sex marriage on the party platform for the August convention, public opinion is behind you!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/06/joe-biden_n_1489670.html?ref=mostpopular
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Agreed. It's an inevitable development of equal rights, a no-brainer issue, and, frankly, a marring stain on America's moral credibility.

There simply aren't any good arguments against same-sex marriage. None.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
The problem with making gay marriage an election issue is that it is a major driver of votes from both sides. The Democrats make it an issue and the Republicans will have no problem getting their supporters out to vote against it. I don't think the Democrats will risk motivating the Republican base over an issue like this, especially when a great deal of both sides think it is a state issue, not a national one.
 

Mayhem

Banned
The problem with making gay marriage an election issue is that it is a major driver of votes from both sides. The Democrats make it an issue and the Republicans will have no problem getting their supporters out to vote against it. I don't think the Democrats will risk motivating the Republican base over an issue like this, especially when a great deal of both sides think it is a state issue, not a national one.

You're right, to a point. But Obama is pissing off a pretty good number of his own base. Maybe these are people that will vote for him, no matter what. But the disappointment goes pretty deep.
 
You're right, to a point. But Obama is pissing off a pretty good number of his own base. Maybe these are people that will vote for him, no matter what. But the disappointment goes pretty deep.

I don't think anybody doubts that he's for same-sex marriage it's just a matter of him finally coming out and saying it. He won't do that thouhg for political reasons. Coming out in support of same-sex marriage would hurt him politically because African-Americans, his base, aren't too high on this issue
 

Mayhem

Banned
Well, then it's time for someone to start slapping his fellow black people around. It's insane to me that after all the bullshit that blacks have had to go through, they're just fine with the same bullshit attitudes being pointed at someone else.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
This issue plus jackoff idiots trying to legislate bullying only further reinforce my belief that the US is quickly becoming a shittier place to live.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Well, then it's time for someone to start slapping his fellow black people around. It's insane to me that after all the bullshit that blacks have had to go through, they're just fine with the same bullshit attitudes being pointed at someone else.
There's always been a paradigm of the the repressed turning to an even 'lower class' to repress in order to raise themselves up, unfortunately. Just look at the history of immigration to New England. "We may not be as good as X, but we're so much better than Z! Stupid Z!" This seems to take the place, sadly, of the much more useful sentiment you describe.

This issue plus jackoff idiots trying to legislate bullying only further reinforce my belief that the US is quickly becoming a shittier place to live.
Let's not mention the Supreme Court recently shitting on the 4th Amendment or the President's legal ability to kill Americans at will. Or the circus of the election cycle. There are plenty of reasons I left.
 

Mayhem

Banned
Well, it's about fuckin' time.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/obama-gay-marriage_n_1503245.html

In a nod to a dramatic shift in public opinion, Barack Obama on Wednesday became the first sitting president to announce his support for same-sex marriage.

In a sit-down interview with ABC's Robin Roberts, Obama completed what has been a markedly long and oft-mocked evolution on the matter.

"I've always been adamant that gay and lesbian Americans should be treated fairly," Obama told Roberts, in an interview that will air in full on ABC's "Good Morning America" Thursday.

"I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married," he said.

The statement constitutes an act of political bravery on the president's behalf, as well as a major victory for the gay rights community, which has been pushing him to declare his support for marriage equality for several years. With the issue back in the news this week, the pressure intensified.

On Sunday, Vice President Joseph Biden told NBC's "Meet The Press" that he was personally comfortable with same-sex marriage, which was followed the next day by Education Secretary Arne Duncan saying the same.

The White House insisted that there was no daylight between the vice president's position and the president's, noting that Biden clarified his statement as being in reference to civil rights for gay couples. But the explanation was largely dismissed by both supporters and critics as a convenient way for the president to signal support for marriage equality without having to declare it himself.

On Tuesday evening, the state of North Carolina passed an amendment that defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman. The president expressed his disappointment with the measure, but it remained difficult to square his opposition to a measure outlawing same-sex marriage with his opposition to same-sex marriage itself.

As the political pressure continued to mount, the president finally chose to speak out Wednesday, with the White House hastily scheduling a sit-down interview.

“It’s interesting, some of this is also generational,” the president said. “You know when I go to college campuses, sometimes I talk to college Republicans who think that I have terrible policies on the economy, on foreign policy, but are very clear that when it comes to same sex equality or, you know, believe in equality. They are much more comfortable with it. You know, Malia and Sasha, they have friends whose parents are same-sex couples. There have been times where Michelle and I have been sitting around the dinner table and we’re talking about their friends and their parents and Malia and Sasha, it wouldn’t dawn on them that somehow their friends’ parents would be treated differently. It doesn’t make sense to them and frankly, that’s the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective.”

The president's support of same-sex marriage will have little political impact, from a practical standpoint, as much of the activity on the issue is currently occurring in the states and the courts. Already the Obama administration's Department of Justice has stopped defending the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which defines marriage as a legal union between a man and a woman. Legislation to overturn DOMA outright would likely be blocked by congressional Republicans.

The more promising path for same-sex marriage advocates remains a friendly hearing by the United States Supreme Court.

Still, the symbolism of Obama's remarks is hard to ignore. In becoming the first president to publicly support marriage equality, he sets the bar for its political acceptance. He also has the ability to shape public opinion further on the matter.

Of course, there may be drawbacks to such a strong expression of support. While recent polls show that popular support for marriage equality is gaining widespread acceptance, some pivotal swing states remain largely opposed to the concept. And one of them, North Carolina, remains a major target for the president's reelection campaign.

"The question is, is there a risk?" a prominent Democratic Party official who requested anonymity told The Huffington Post after Biden's remarks. "It is not nationwide [polling] we are talking about. We are talking about Virginia, North Carolina and other swing states. And we are talking about, would Karl Rove and his team stoop to using horribly grotesque and hateful tactics ... and would that peel off 10,000 votes?"

As of Wednesday, that question was hypothetical. Now, it's a critical component of the 2012 election.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
About fucking time, indeed! This is a fantastic step to catching up with the times' social progress.
 
You can never win with the right, if President Obama says that he is evolving on the issue of gay marriage, then the right will use that against him. If he says, (like he already said) he's for gay marriage, then they say he is pandering. So which one is it?
 
Barry is against same sex marriages, but he had to support it for political reasons. Biden the Doofus simply accelerated his decision.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Agreed. It's an inevitable development of equal rights, a no-brainer issue, and, frankly, a marring stain on America's moral credibility.

There simply aren't any good arguments against same-sex marriage. None.
You're right; there's no way we should support same-sex marriage. Marriage between the sexes is bad enough, we should at least allow the homosexuals to escape the torture.
 
Barry is against same sex marriages, but he had to support it for political reasons. Biden the Doofus simply accelerated his decision.

His administration stopped defending DOMA, got DADT repealed and was the first to provide hospital visitation and medical decision-making rights to same-sex couples. His announcement didnt just come out of nowhere. He's done more for the LGBT community than any president in history. Everybody knew Obama supported same-sex marriage it was just a matter of when he could finally come out and say it
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
The Democrats should place same-sex marriage on the party platform for the August convention, public opinion is behind you!

Nevada, California, Texas, Kansas, Alabama, Colorado, Idaho, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia, Wisconsin, Arizona, Louisiana, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Utah, Missouri and Alaska have all had the issue put before a popular vote and in all cases it was clear that the people do not support same sex marriage. In some cases it was 81% of the voters casting a resounding no vote. In Iowa, where the activist judges made same sex legal, those judges were voted out of office in their next election, which was a measure of displeasure of the voting public.

So that would be 28 states where the majority of voters have made their objections clear. That does not sound like an issue that someone running for national office should be hitching a mule to. And it is definitely not a mandate.
 
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