Aces&Jacks
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Does it get much sadder than this?
From Holly Randal at Suze.net
From Holly Randal at Suze.net
Cytherea Starlet of the Year to Pregnant, on Drugs & Evicted
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dave_rhino
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It say's she's clean now though.
Anyway, that's horrible. I love Cytheria
Anyway, that's horrible. I love Cytheria
member006
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I understand the writer of that articles disbelief. Sadly, just as Hollywood doesn't look after their own either. How many large contributors in the entertainment industry have hit rock bottom and even death with nobody reaching out to help them. Their lives ending, them penniless and alone Hollywood having turned their backs. Many!
This world is made up of sad sack, useless people who only know the meaning of friendship when you're on top. The diva herself Diana Ross turned her back on Mary Wilson when she developed a drug problem. She died penniless and on welfare.
I'm sure had her fans known she would have never faced a hungry day. It was swept under the rug. She helped make Ms. Ross! I could go on and on but won't. Spoiled brat types like Ms. Hilton that have contributed nothing to this world deserve what they get IMHO. Others that have contributed deserve to have someone that's watching their back.
Kudos to all in the industry who are trying to help. To the others well I can just say, "Karma can be a real bitch, you better watch your back."
LL
yeah, I don't get it. anyone can be down and out. shit happens.
on a related note, it's not the companies (or anyone elses) job to provide you with a means for living. from there viewpoint if she's not working for them and making them money, why should they give her anything? I'm not saying that I agree with it, but I can realistically see that that is the way it is for mostly everyone.
on a related note, it's not the companies (or anyone elses) job to provide you with a means for living. from there viewpoint if she's not working for them and making them money, why should they give her anything? I'm not saying that I agree with it, but I can realistically see that that is the way it is for mostly everyone.
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Well, in the grand sceam of things, I suppose you're right. Where is that line drawn though? Maybe each production company contribute on a regular basis to a fund, not per case but to be used when needed after agreement. Or help organize a fund raiser of some sort per case. Many things could be done I'm sure. I do think peers are responsible to see to it they get help. To me its not a matter of being "responsible" for a person. Its just being a good human being and giving back. That's why so many people end up on the street, even family walk out on those in need of help. Drugs and drinking are a persons own choice and fault. Once ill though, is it right on our part as a society to walk past people and say tough shitsky they did it themselves? I don't think it is, of course that's just IMHO. .
LL
No, I agree with you. but this kind of socialism is something that many people look down on. charity sounds really great in principle and it sounds even better when you don't have to give up anything for it, but that's not the way it works and when it get's down to the bottom line people don't want to cross it. I guess i'm just looking at the bigger picture. how many woman are in this exact same situation? If such a hand out is given, how often do people say she's just a lazy cheat? (forgive me if i'm mistaken, but didn't even you ladylove once say that people shouldn't get financial assistance if they are drug users?) happens everyday. I don't really see any solutions without changing public perception.
What the porn stars should do (if they havent already) is organize a labor union to better help themselves. Then the union could organize these benefits and things to help out it's own members.
It doesnt make sense to whine and say "why arent the production companies doing anything to help these people?"... if the actor/actress is not an employee of the production company, then it's not their responsibility to take care of them, IMO.
It doesnt make sense to whine and say "why arent the production companies doing anything to help these people?"... if the actor/actress is not an employee of the production company, then it's not their responsibility to take care of them, IMO.
The problem is that people love to deal in absolutes. It's either full blown socialism, or grab all you and fuck the next guy capitalism. Moderation, and balance, make you look weak when you're trying to organise a government, so we always end with retarded hardliners trying to look like strong, decisive assholes.
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I don't think they are responsible as I stated in my post. I do think it would be a nice gesture for them to collaborate with the stars and others to set something up though. That doesn't even always work, again look at Hollywood's history of "taking care of their own." . SAG, retirement homes, funds galore, many things available yet so many of the famous are walked over and forgotten. Falling through the cracks. Doesn't mean everyone shouldn't try. Right?
If down and out I'm sure pride makes many of them hide, drinking or doing drugs also, because they enter another world. Its up to their peers to "notice" the absence, find out why they aren't around and get them help. Not say, "I don't want to be seen with him/her that would be bad for my career." Then cry what an injustice when its to late. People must be helped when they begin that spiral down, not after rock bottom is hit. Like I said " This world is made up of sad sack, useless people who only know the meaning of friendship when you're on top." You don't have to be famous to have seen those types.
LL
Yeah, and where's all the ridicule and jokes at Cytherea’s expense???
Drugs addicts are never clean. They are just not doing drugs are the moment.It say's she's clean now though.
Anyway, that's horrible. I love Cytheria
Drug addiction (like many addictions) are a lifetime club. You may not attend the meetings any more, but your membership NEVER expires as long as you live.
I should know.
I strongly agree. Adult entertainers should have formed a union/organization LONG ago.
I do not expect or want porn companies to look after actors in any way. For 2 reasons:
My first reason is I don't think it is their responsibility to. They are businesses. And businesses make money without breaking laws or standards. That is what they do. And as a consumer, I do not wish to spend 5 or 10% more for a product (be it pornography or gasoline or a chocolate bar) just because the company in question wants to set up some employee fund.
Companies should treat their employees with respect and as equals. They should follow the laws and the rules and guidelines that they are supposed to. And as long as they do that, they should endevour to make as much money as possible and to run as lean an operation as possible.
That is what I want as a consumer. And that is what I would want as a shareholder (if I was one).
It is the employees responsibility - IMO - more then the employers to look after their own. Especially in matters that have nothing directly to do with business.
Drug addiction and money problems are personal problems, not company problems.
My second reason is that I think the adult entertainment industry contains some very good people in it, sure. But there are also - in my opinion - more scumbags (and not just male - though mostly) per capita then any other legal profession in western society.
And if they did spend money to look after these people, I am quite sure that many of them would only do it for reasons that would see them profit in some way - be it financially or sexually.
BTW - Great post in my opinion Aces&Jacks. Thanks.
It was Florence Ballard not Mary Wilson who died penniless and on welfare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Ballard
I know this sounds cruel but I don't have no sympathy for her. She made the choice not to say no to the drugs. Getting evicted no doubt results from spending all her money on drugs. Because she didn't have the will power to stop using them and try to get off them. So it's all self inflicted IMO. If she actually tried to stop herself or any of this was caused by something out of her hands then yes I'd feel sorry for her. But it wasn't, it was caused by her just not saying no.
Suppose she'll be saying it was caused by the pressure of her career. Well I still have no sympathy. She picked her career, she must have known what goes with it. After all most of us get pressure just as much in our choice of career. Are we all turning to drugs to cope with it, no. Or is she going to say it was her personal life. Guess what we all have them too and some peoples are a lot more messed up than hers. Are they all taking drugs to try and solve it, no. They are most likely trying to work through their problems.
I never have sympathy for anyone on drugs. As it was they choice in the first place to take them. I do have some respect for people who kick the habit though. As it can be hard to break a addiction.
Suppose she'll be saying it was caused by the pressure of her career. Well I still have no sympathy. She picked her career, she must have known what goes with it. After all most of us get pressure just as much in our choice of career. Are we all turning to drugs to cope with it, no. Or is she going to say it was her personal life. Guess what we all have them too and some peoples are a lot more messed up than hers. Are they all taking drugs to try and solve it, no. They are most likely trying to work through their problems.
I never have sympathy for anyone on drugs. As it was they choice in the first place to take them. I do have some respect for people who kick the habit though. As it can be hard to break a addiction.
isn't that kind of a contradiction? you don't have sympathy for people that are unable to stop doing drugs on the grounds that it was thier choice to start using drugs- while at the same time acknowledging that drugs are addicting and it is hard to break, the implication being that it's no longer just a choice to simply stop doing them at will.
No, as it takes will power and usually a lot of mental torment to break a addiction.
As it takes nothing at all to say no before you start.