Corona Vaccine

[Rey C.]

I agree with you that the numbers are being "created". Where we may differ is on the reason(s) why. Yes, there may be a motivation on the part of some analysts to show over-hyped or increased numbers for political reasons (somewhat nefarious). With other data analysts, it may just be a way to develop estimates when there is a lack of confirmed data. How do you count someone who was on the verge of death anyway, but *may* have had Covid-19? Remember, autopsies are not performed on every person who dies in this country. The truth is, we'll never know for sure.

Let me give you something (else) to think about MP. You're focused on the present, and what's fake and what's not. I'm more focused on what social and political precedents are being set now, that will carry over into the future. I'm curious about how much the sheeple will accept in the months and years to come, in regard to decreasing civil liberties, simply because they're now used to being told to sit, roll over and play dead.

 

[gmase]

Its right here again. They are admitting they are creating the numbers. Its right here all ove todays news.
Read it.
https://news.yahoo.com/york-city-coronavirus-deaths-suspected-more-10-000-224216474.html

The answer is right there in the article you posted:
"He explained that many people who had passed away at home had not been counted as having died from COVID-19 even though it had likely been the cause. The extra deaths are also suspected to have occurred in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities. The "probable" numbers highlight a lack of widespread of testing for the virus."

 

[gmase]

I agree with you that the numbers are being "created". Where we may differ is on the reason(s) why. Yes, there may be a motivation on the part of some analysts to show over-hyped or increased numbers for political reasons (somewhat nefarious). With other data analysts, it may just be a way to develop estimates when there is a lack of confirmed data. How do you count someone who was on the verge of death anyway, but *may* have had Covid-19? Remember, autopsies are not performed on every person who dies in this country. The truth is, we'll never know for sure.

Let me give you something (else) to think about MP. You're focused on the present, and what's fake and what's not. I'm more focused on what social and political precedents are being set now, that will carry over into the future. I'm curious about how much the sheeple will accept in the months and years to come, in regard to decreasing civil liberties, simply because they're now used to being told to sit, roll over and play dead.

Estimates are used for all types of purposes. Actuaries are not cheap.

Well said about future civil liberties. Recall how easy it was to travel before 9/11? I remember showing up at a small regional airport 15 minutes before departure and getting on the plane. You could carry a bottle of water through security, take some shampoo in your backpack, or have a small pocket utensil in your computer bag.

 

[BCT]

Let me give you something (else) to think about MP. You're focused on the present, and what's fake and what's not. I'm more focused on what social and political precedents are being set now, that will carry over into the future. I'm curious about how much the sheeple will accept in the months and years to come, in regard to decreasing civil liberties, simply because they're now used to being told to sit, roll over and play dead.

Once they take away your rights you don’t get them back. This was a slippery slope with no end in sight sadly. It will only get worse.

 

[meesterperfect]

I agree with you that the numbers are being "created". Where we may differ is on the reason(s) why. Yes, there may be a motivation on the part of some analysts to show over-hyped or increased numbers for political reasons (somewhat nefarious). With other data analysts, it may just be a way to develop estimates when there is a lack of confirmed data. How do you count someone who was on the verge of death anyway, but *may* have had Covid-19? Remember, autopsies are not performed on every person who dies in this country. The truth is, we'll never know for sure.

Let me give you something (else) to think about MP. You're focused on the present, and what's fake and what's not. I'm more focused on what social and political precedents are being set now, that will carry over into the future. I'm curious about how much the sheeple will accept in the months and years to come, in regard to decreasing civil liberties, simply because they're now used to being told to sit, roll over and play dead.

Hi Rey, Gmase and BCt, you too johan wherever the hell you are.
I'll come back later to answer better but for now.....
Yeah Rey I have thought that too. I said in a post it seems some people are getting "comfortable" with it. Half the cars I see have people with masks driving them, and I live in a real quiet not crowded area. Do they think theyll catch the sickness in their cars? Are their infected?
I just want to post this short video as I feel it is related to this sub-topic. Its from my personal hero Peekay Truth.
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=78R93N5SX4N8

 

[gmase]

Half the cars I see have people with masks driving them, and I live in a real quiet not crowded area.

My wife and I made a similar comment. Why drive with one?

 

[Johan]

I guess these are principled people : they go outside, they were a mask. Won't hurt anyone so why do you care ?

 

[Rey C.]

My wife and I made a similar comment. Why drive with one?

Funniest (or saddest) thing I read was where people were staying further away from other cars at traffic lights. Course, wouldn't want your Toyota Camry to catch the corona from that other guy's Honda Civic. That Civic was smoking, so good chance it's sick... could be contagious.

 

[gmase]

Funniest (or saddest) thing I read was where people were staying further away from other cars at traffic lights. Course, wouldn't want your Toyota Camry to catch the corona from that other guy's Honda Civic. That Civic was smoking, so good Chance it's sick... could be contagious.

And I thought people were just driving better.

 

[gmase]

I guess these are principled people : they go outside, they were a mask. Won't hurt anyone so why do you care ?

I don't really. It was more of an observation.

 

[meesterperfect]

I'm very shook up right now because I just read this. Please read
https://patch.com/new-jersey/cherry...l-murphy-issues-nj-coronavirus-update-4-17-20

I'm just gonna copy and paste what I just wrote somewhere else because I'm mentally worn out right now. Here it is.

Well here it is just lke I have been saying. "reopening can only happen (meaning you can go back to work or school and who knows what else) If- Here is the quote from the Governor "Testing, testing, testing: Murphy says no reopening can happen without a "robust" testing program. The governor said New Jersey is fourth in the nation in testing, but he told PIX11 during a Friday interview that "we're not nearly where we need to be, and it needs to be a rapid turnaround." He expressed hope that New Jersey can reach that point now that Rutgers University has new technology that can test as many as tens of thousands of saliva samples in one day for coronavirus" and " If testing can be ramped up, Murphy told PIX11, New Jersey can work more quickly to identify "hot spots" and quarantine and treat people who test positive. He told the Record that New Jersey is interested in Massachusetts' contact tracing program, which is "low-tech" and basically involves "hiring 1,000 people at $20 an hour and they're going to work the phones." .........Sorry but if I or my son have no symptoms I am not letting the Government test us. And they'll test you repeatedly. I don't need them to say one of us has it when we don't and seperate us and quarantine us who the hell knows where. I will not put my family at that risk and I hope anybody who's reading this won't either. They are lying to us about the numbers is obvious. I do not trust them. This is exactly what I said they were going to do. If you want money, if you want a roof over your head, if you want to eat youre gonna have to do what they say and submit to routine testing. The only way we are going to through this is if the majority of citizens refuses to comply. If we do not stand together and we allow this we are finished. Our lives, our childrens lives, their childrens lives all depend on what WE do now. If you aren't sick, if your children are not sick, do not let them test you.
"Quarantine and treat people who test positive". Do you know what that means? It means if they say you or your children have tested positive in one of the 10's of Thousands of tests they plan on doing EVERYDAY they are going to take your family member or you AWAY and isolate them, probably in some shithole ward. You won't be able to go near them at best and You Might not even know where the hell they are. Do you really want to risk that? For a flu that in their own words most people only have mild symptoms? A death rate officially of 3.4% and we know that in many of the deaths labeled as corona the person died from something else so the actual death rate of otherwise healthy people is extremely low. Tell me is it worth the risk? Do not comply to routine testing please, no matter what.

 

[gmase]

I'm very shook up right now because I just read this. Please read
https://patch.com/new-jersey/cherry...l-murphy-issues-nj-coronavirus-update-4-17-20

I'm just gonna copy and paste what I just wrote somewhere else because I'm mentally worn out right now. Here it is.

Well here it is just lke I have been saying. "reopening can only happen (meaning you can go back to work or school and who knows what else) If- Here is the quote from the Governor "Testing, testing, testing: Murphy says no reopening can happen without a "robust" testing program. The governor said New Jersey is fourth in the nation in testing, but he told PIX11 during a Friday interview that "we're not nearly where we need to be, and it needs to be a rapid turnaround." He expressed hope that New Jersey can reach that point now that Rutgers University has new technology that can test as many as tens of thousands of saliva samples in one day for coronavirus" and " If testing can be ramped up, Murphy told PIX11, New Jersey can work more quickly to identify "hot spots" and quarantine and treat people who test positive. He told the Record that New Jersey is interested in Massachusetts' contact tracing program, which is "low-tech" and basically involves "hiring 1,000 people at $20 an hour and they're going to work the phones." .........Sorry but if I or my son have no symptoms I am not letting the Government test us. And they'll test you repeatedly. I don't need them to say one of us has it when we don't and seperate us and quarantine us who the hell knows where. I will not put my family at that risk and I hope anybody who's reading this won't either. They are lying to us about the numbers is obvious. I do not trust them. This is exactly what I said they were going to do. If you want money, if you want a roof over your head, if you want to eat youre gonna have to do what they say and submit to routine testing. The only way we are going to through this is if the majority of citizens refuses to comply. If we do not stand together and we allow this we are finished. Our lives, our childrens lives, their childrens lives all depend on what WE do now. If you aren't sick, if your children are not sick, do not let them test you.
"Quarantine and treat people who test positive". Do you know what that means? It means if they say you or your children have tested positive in one of the 10's of Thousands of tests they plan on doing EVERYDAY they are going to take your family member or you AWAY and isolate them, probably in some shithole ward. You won't be able to go near them at best and you might not even know where the hell they are. Do you really want to risk that? For a flu that in their own words most people only have mild symptoms? A death rate officially of 3.4% and we know that in many of the deaths labeled as corona the person died from something else so the actual death rate of otherwise healthy people is extremely low. Tell me is it worth the risk? Do not comply to routine testing please, no matter what.

A few random comments:

• South Carolina and Florida opening up will be a test of what you are saying.
• How can you lie about a number which is not precisely known? It's an estimate. Some die of coronavirus and are not recorded. Some die of an underlying problem which was exasperated by coronavirus and are recorded. In the long term, it probably evens out. Not using anything specific here, but was is the real difference between 2.50 million and 2.55 million when the sample is 1 billion? Actuaries do this daily.
• I noticed the Controlled Opposition was rallying in Texas yesterday. https://www.statesman.com/news/2020...rotesters-at-capitol-decry-virus-restrictions. Lisa Ray summed it up nicely "We thought it was going to be a lot bigger than this."
• You used the word 'gullible' to describe me earlier. I think this article, based on legal briefings by his own defense, shows who the truly gullible are: https://www.texasmonthly.com/politi...suit-argue-no-reasonable-person-believe-says/.
• Do not comply and maybe we can bring back polio, measles, and mumps. Let's regress to 19th century medicine - no antibiotics, no anesthesia, no sterilization of utensils, and so on and so forth. Then again, it may help with overpopulation.

 

[meesterperfect]

We are on 2 completely different levels of awareness. I am now sure of that.
How can they lie about the numbers? By lying about the numbers.

They are not controlled opposition they are people who think the measures are extreme given the circumstances and want to go back to work before they and their families become homeless.
More people need to begin to protest the sooner the better.

A Jones is an actor who has gotten very rich off his ridiculous routine. He is a phony who manipulates people who don't trust the government and the news media. A lot of people know this because its so obvious.

And how are people who are not sick and have no symptoms of corona not complying to daily or any testing at all going to bring back polio measles or mumps? No need to answer. In fact they can't even spread this flu because they dont have it.

Make up your mind Gmase, do you want you and your family going through life wearing a mask and getting tested constantly for a sickness you don't have and getting an injection of a vaccination you know nothing about or not?
Do you want the children of this country growing up being denied their right of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness or not?

Let me give you a scenario. Lets say you submit to this "robust" testing. One of 10's of thousands they plan on doing everyday in your state alone. Lets say one of your childrens tests come back positive.
What do you think will happen then? Are you really willing to risk that?

 

[gmase]

We are on 2 completely different levels of awareness. I am now sure of that.
How can they lie about the numbers? By lying about the numbers.

They are not controlled opposition they are people who think the measures are extreme given the circumstances and want to go back to work before they and their families become homeless.
More people need to begin to protest the sooner the better.

A Jones is an actor who has gotten very rich off his ridiculous routine. He is a phony who manipulates people who don't trust the government and the news media. A lot of people know this because its so obvious.

And how are people who are not sick and have no symptoms of corona not complying to daily or any testing at all going to bring back polio measles or mumps? No need to answer. In fact they can't even spread this flu because they dont have it.

Make up your mind Gmase, do you want you and your family going through life wearing a mask and getting tested constantly for a sickness you don't have and getting an injection of a vaccination you know nothing about or not?
Do you want the children of this country growing up being denied their right of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness or not?

Let me give you a scenario. Lets say you submit to this "robust" testing. One of 10's of thousands they plan on doing everyday in your state alone. Lets say one of your childrens tests come back positive.
What do you think will happen then? Are you really willing to risk that?

How about one of my kids coming back because the driver of a Ford F150 ignored traffic signals and hit them in the crosswalk? Oh, the driver was uninsured. They don't have polio or measles, but a truck them. Fortunately, my insurance is good.

I am sure we are on different levels too. You can believe whatever you want. I don't really care as it neither bothers me or offends me. I find it humorous.

 

[gmase]

We are on 2 completely different levels of awareness. I am now sure of that.
How can they lie about the numbers? By lying about the numbers.

They are not controlled opposition they are people who think the measures are extreme given the circumstances and want to go back to work before they and their families become homeless.
More people need to begin to protest the sooner the better.

A Jones is an actor who has gotten very rich off his ridiculous routine. He is a phony who manipulates people who don't trust the government and the news media. A lot of people know this because its so obvious.

And how are people who are not sick and have no symptoms of corona not complying to daily or any testing at all going to bring back polio measles or mumps? No need to answer. In fact they can't even spread this flu because they dont have it.

Make up your mind Gmase, do you want you and your family going through life wearing a mask and getting tested constantly for a sickness you don't have and getting an injection of a vaccination you know nothing about or not?
Do you want the children of this country growing up being denied their right of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness or not?

Let me give you a scenario. Lets say you submit to this "robust" testing. One of 10's of thousands they plan on doing everyday in your state alone. Lets say one of your childrens tests come back positive.
What do you think will happen then? Are you really willing to risk that?

I try to keep personal insults out of these conversations. I may teeter on the line as I progress, so please pardon me.

Your acknowledgement we are on two different planes is quite refreshing. Two quotes come to mind for me:

• One attributed to Mark Twain: Never argue with a fool, because outsiders may not know the difference.
• Clay Davis uses the following as his signature: Some people are so far behind in a race that they actually believe they're leading.

You mention my kids and vaccines. You mentioned early shooting hoops with your son. To get into school, your son would typically need to provide proof of receiving certain vaccinations. How would this be much different? Some people choose to get scientific information from nude models (Jenny McCarthy) and others choose to get it from scientists. I opt to take scientific information from scientists.

How do the parents of the kids who died from the measles feel about not getting their kids vaccinated? Or, the parents whose kids got sick from those who were not vaccinated? Part of liberty and happiness is living.

In my case, three kids got vaccinated and made it through college (well 2 plus 1 halfway through) without contracting a debilitating illness. Now, somebody who thinks insurance on his vehicle was 'optional' hurt one of them - despite laws requiring insurance. The options of some people exercising their freedom impacts the freedom of one of my kids.

 

[BCT]

I'm very shook up right now because I just read this. Please read
https://patch.com/new-jersey/cherry...l-murphy-issues-nj-coronavirus-update-4-17-20

I'm just gonna copy and paste what I just wrote somewhere else because I'm mentally worn out right now. Here it is.

Well here it is just lke I have been saying. "reopening can only happen (meaning you can go back to work or school and who knows what else) If- Here is the quote from the Governor "Testing, testing, testing: Murphy says no reopening can happen without a "robust" testing program. The governor said New Jersey is fourth in the nation in testing, but he told PIX11 during a Friday interview that "we're not nearly where we need to be, and it needs to be a rapid turnaround." He expressed hope that New Jersey can reach that point now that Rutgers University has new technology that can test as many as tens of thousands of saliva samples in one day for coronavirus" and " If testing can be ramped up, Murphy told PIX11, New Jersey can work more quickly to identify "hot spots" and quarantine and treat people who test positive. He told the Record that New Jersey is interested in Massachusetts' contact tracing program, which is "low-tech" and basically involves "hiring 1,000 people at $20 an hour and they're going to work the phones." .........Sorry but if I or my son have no symptoms I am not letting the Government test us. And they'll test you repeatedly. I don't need them to say one of us has it when we don't and seperate us and quarantine us who the hell knows where. I will not put my family at that risk and I hope anybody who's reading this won't either. They are lying to us about the numbers is obvious. I do not trust them. This is exactly what I said they were going to do. If you want money, if you want a roof over your head, if you want to eat youre gonna have to do what they say and submit to routine testing. The only way we are going to through this is if the majority of citizens refuses to comply. If we do not stand together and we allow this we are finished. Our lives, our childrens lives, their childrens lives all depend on what WE do now. If you aren't sick, if your children are not sick, do not let them test you.
"Quarantine and treat people who test positive". Do you know what that means? It means if they say you or your children have tested positive in one of the 10's of Thousands of tests they plan on doing EVERYDAY they are going to take your family member or you AWAY and isolate them, probably in some shithole ward. You won't be able to go near them at best and You Might not even know where the hell they are. Do you really want to risk that? For a flu that in their own words most people only have mild symptoms? A death rate officially of 3.4% and we know that in many of the deaths labeled as corona the person died from something else so the actual death rate of otherwise healthy people is extremely low. Tell me is it worth the risk? Do not comply to routine testing please, no matter what.

They will make sure you test positive too.

 

[meesterperfect]

They will make sure you test positive too.

I don't know if thats sarcastic or not but It could happen . I'm sure if they do it there will be errors. I mean 10's of thousands of tests per day. Why would anybody take that risk given the consequences?
But if people want to give in to it good for them. Let the government stick them and swab them for the rest of their lives.
I'm not going to do it. Not the world I want to live in.
Someone asked me if I wanted free food today. I said no its too expensive.

 

[BCT]

I don't know if thats sarcastic or not but It could happen . I'm sure if they do it there will be errors. I mean 10's of thousands of tests per day. Why would anybody take that risk given the consequences?
But if people want to give in to it good for them. Let the government stick them and swab them for the rest of their lives.
I'm not going to do it. Not the world I want to live in.
Someone asked me if I wanted free food today. I said no its too expensive.

Nope, no sarcasm. Most people are defending this too. Ive accepted that I won’t be around much longer.

 

[meesterperfect]

Nope, no sarcasm. Most people are defending this too. Ive accepted that I won’t be around much longer.

Why what's wrong? Do you have a cough due to a cold?

 

[BCT]

Why what's wrong? Do you have a cough due to a cold?

Not at all and I want to keep it that way.