Conning models on the Internet

[Bluejaye]

Wow. I was going to read the red wall then realised I'm far too lazy and my bacon would probably burn by the time I finished.

I'll hold up my hands and admit to buying one item from a models wishlist. Admittedly it was a sort of private joke between us, we both like a certain TV show and no one was going to buy the latest box set for either of us. I suggested we buy it for each other, she agreed and we did.
I know it sounds odd, why not just buy it for ourselves. But admit it, who doesn't love receiving a gift?
We may even do it again this year.


I do think that you have to be careful though with wishlists. There are a lot of bad people with wishlists (not just models) and a lot of good people who thank anyone who buys from their wishlist or send them goodies (personalised pictures, Christmas cards, more adult goodies and so on). Thankfully, I think there are far more good people with wishlists than bad and from personal experience the bad ones are fairly noticeable (after a little bit of checking).

 

[FreeOnes_Adam]

It just sounds like someone may have had a bad experience. Shit happens, and I feel for you, but really, live and let live.

Sorry you're jaded, OP, but the rest of us are big boys and girls. We'll throw our money at whoever we want, when we want, amite?


Use common sense, support the models you love however you see fit, and just enjoy life. No need to throw people under the bus.

 

[Anonyne#017]

Is OP trying to say that his favorite model didn't spread her ass for him personally and give him a brown ring on the finger in a hotel room after he bought her a new bounce buddy from her wishlist?

Or perhaps he is a she and just jealous that those prettier girls get all the goodies?...

 

[AndiLand]

I think Mandy pretty much covered it. But I'll chip in my two cents.

There is an extremely high level of fraud being done by models on social media these days. If you find that a model has a "Wish list," it is only a way of them getting free money from you. If you buy them a $500 pocketbook, they receive it in the mail, and sell it for cash. They make hundreds of thousands of dollars from this each month. There hasn't been any evidence given otherwise.

It's not fraud to accept gifts off an amazon wishlist, regardless of whether the performer sells them, throws them in the trash, or rubs them all over her pussy. Either way, you are giving them a $500 pocketbook, or $500 cash. You're willingly spending $500, and she's accepting it, to do as she pleases with it. End of story.

Also, when models say "I love you", they are saying they love how you support their work and that you are appreciated, not that they are romantically in love with you. Are you freaking kidding me? What happened.... you spent money on a performer and she didn't elevate your status to Top Fan, totally clear her schedule to make time for you, or throw herself at you as a result? How utterly disappointing.

"If you have the money, I have the time." If you don't give them money, or not enough of it, they can care less. They're typical gigolos. They live off of other people who are stupid enough to give them whatever they want.

Um, how is this any different from what you do for a living? (assuming you have some form of employment). Do you show up to work whether you get paid or not? How about if your salary were cut in half, would you still put in the same effort? Newsflash for you: You're living off your boss or employer, who is giving you a salary or hourly wage in return for your work. Many waitresses are living off their tips from customers, in exchange for good service. Many indie models are living off fans, who give financial contributions in exchange for their work/time. It's no different, ya gigolo.

So sorry whoever you bought that $500 pocketbook for didn't love you back, whoever she is.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Two things, first...

"I love you for supporting me"
Models claiming to care, and claim to love you, the only thing they care about is the attention and the money. There is something that is usually said 75% of the time when they refuse something. When you pay attention to what they're saying it is usually, "If you have the money, I have the time." If you don't give them money, or not enough of it, they can care less. They're typical gigolos. They live off of other people who are stupid enough to give them whatever they want.

So... let me see if I can if I can figure out your problem...

You bought a girl (or possibly several by the sounds of it) stuff off their wishlists. And they don't love you now. And you think they should. I guess because you figure you're a nice guy, and thus you've earned it. And you probably think buying them stuff was nice of you, thus proving you're a nice guy. That about sum it up?

Oh, hi by the way, I'm Happy. You may know me from posts here (or you may not). I'm mainly known for being the Harley Spencer Megafanboi. She's an OCSM around these parts. You may have seen her pics or posts. I mainly got to know her through, well, FreeOnes. Now... we live together. She's my girlfriend. So I speak from experience when I say that, yeah, sometimes when someone in the industry says they care, they do indeed care.

In pretty much any line of work people can and will befriend or even fall for their coworkers, or yes even their customers. Through work, regardless of what type of work it is, is how a lot of people meet. Thing is with porn, like with any job, a lot of people are going to be there just putting in their hours to collect their paycheck. That's to be expected. After they buy something from you, do people get upset with you at your job if you don't take a deep, personal interest in their lives? Probably not. You see, you're approaching someone from a professional angle. Porn is their job, and you shouldn't expect more than a professional relationship.

And here's the thing... obviously you were expecting something. Moreover, you were expecting something in return. You're upset because apparently you thought some girl was hot and you bought her stuff and now she doesn't love you. Well, dude... that's life. Grow the fuck up. No one, regardless of her job is going to love you for what you buy her... she might like you for what you buy her, but that ain't love. Gratitude is real, but it ain't love so give up the notion of, "I totally bought her nice things so she should love me now!" That's bullshit. Love is based on a personal connection, and you don't get that by spending money, you get it by spending time. By getting to know someone, which you aren't going to do if you just pay her to get naked in front of you. You have to talk and stuff. And by that I don't mean dirty talk, but real talk. Did any of these girls ever, say, tell you about the terrible time they had at the laundry mat and how she ruined her new top? Probably not, and chances are you didn't care to ask about anything not related to stuff going on between either her legs, or yours. You're not going to get to "love" from there. You get there (if you're lucky, and you both feel a connection) by actually giving a shit. And it certainly doesn't seem like you ever did. You just wanted something out these girls because you thought they were hot.

That's the thing about the whole "nice guys finish last" bullshit... the people who complain about it aren't nice guys. You can't be "nice with an agenda", you can't be "nice to try and get something"... that's just being polite and a duplicitous scumbag. People who go on about that are no different than any other scummy pickup artist out there, except they're running worse game; they're not a nice guy, they're a jerk expecting women to throw their panties at them because they took the time to be polite to them. Nice guys don't act nice to try and get something from someone, nice guys are nice because they're nice. As such nice guys don't get butthurt and bitch and whine about what they don't get because they aren't expecting anything. And that's the thing... people are perceptive. People will generally know when you want something out of them, and a pretty girl will know if you just want in her pants (or free pics, cam time, dirty messages... whatever) because, to be frank... most men are dogs and they've no doubt become familiar enough with it to recognize the signs a mile off.

So no, these girls aren't ripping you off. There's no "con" here. You're paying for a performance, and you're getting what you paid for. And if you send them a gift it's just that; a gift. Gifts don't come with strings attached, that's what makes them gifts and not payment for services rendered.

What I'm saying is... you got what you paid for. No one should expect more than that. And if she didn't fall in love with you? Well... maybe it's because you act like a bit of a (tinfoil hat wearing) scumbag and you're not worth it.

Second...

Fraud:
There is an extremely high level of fraud being done by models on social media these days. If you find that a model has a "Wish list," it is only a way of them getting free money from you. If you buy them a $500 pocketbook, they receive it in the mail, and sell it for cash. They make hundreds of thousands of dollars from this each month. There hasn't been any evidence given otherwise.

I can assure you that, in the case of my girlfriend at least... she's had some stuff bought for her off a wishlist. She's used it all, not sold it. And I can guarantee no one (or at least the vast majority of people) aren't getting hundreds of thousands of dollars of free shit, period, never mind getting it and selling. Hell, I doubt most people even have anywhere near that much shit listed on their wishlists.

Also, getting stuff and selling it... not fraud. Perfectly legal. And really, if they just wanted cash they'd probably ask for gift cards or "donations".

But more importantly... I'm pretty sure you're a malfunctioning robotic man-eating penguin from the planet Zorthos who is continually getting more and more stupid with each failing circuit and that you have heavy ties to the darker parts of Scientology. And you know it's true because... There hasn't been any evidence given otherwise.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Give her a hundred bucks. That's generally the amount that'll seal the deal.

 

[Mr_Stiffy]

Give her a hundred bucks. That's generally the amount that'll seal the deal.

Finish the Internet. Ace has won.

 

[Petra]

#1: If you want to support your favorite model or cam girl, go to www.customs4u.com and buy a custom video from them. They don't get the cash till the video has been uploaded so you're guaranteed your video. Even Kickstarter doesn't have that safety built in when you back something.

#2: When you give a gift to anyone, it doesn't matter if it's something off a porn star, cam girl, fetish model, findom, or the fucking president of the USA's wishlist or something you thoughtfully picked out for your best friend's wedding, once you give the gift the receiving person can do ANYTHING they want to it. I repeat, ANYTHING. They can save it and cherish it, they can use it, they can not use it, they can regift it for the office party, they can throw it in the trash, they can perform the scene from office space with it, they can use it as a sacrifice to the great Cthulhu, they can piss on it, shit on it among loads of other things that they can do to completely trash it. Again, and I repeat, once you gift something to someone you no longer have ANY SAY in what they do with it.

#3: If you don't want to risk getting nothing in return, don't give them something off their wishlist, tip, or tribute them.

#4: If you can't afford it, don't do it.

#5: If you feel like you have to do it, don't do it. Only do it if it makes YOU feel good in return.

#6: I'm sure there's a 6th something to put here. But I can't be arsed.

Really, there's no reason to get your pink ruffly panties in a bunch over wishlists. It's pretty simple. You buy something off of it because you want to and don't expect anything back. Or you don't do it.

 

[Ivy Adams]

#1: If you want to support your favorite model or cam girl, go to www.customs4u.com and buy a custom video from them. They don't get the cash till the video has been uploaded so you're guaranteed your video. Even Kickstarter doesn't have that safety built in when you back something.

#2: When you give a gift to anyone, it doesn't matter if it's something off a porn star, cam girl, fetish model, findom, or the fucking president of the USA's wishlist or something you thoughtfully picked out for your best friend's wedding, once you give the gift the receiving person can do ANYTHING they want to it. I repeat, ANYTHING. They can save it and cherish it, they can use it, they can not use it, they can regift it for the office party, they can throw it in the trash, they can perform the scene from office space with it, they can use it as a sacrifice to the great Cthulhu, they can piss on it, shit on it among loads of other things that they can do to completely trash it. Again, and I repeat, once you gift something to someone you no longer have ANY SAY in what they do with it.

#3: If you don't want to risk getting nothing in return, don't give them something off their wishlist, tip, or tribute them.

#4: If you can't afford it, don't do it.

#5: If you feel like you have to do it, don't do it. Only do it if it makes YOU feel good in return.

#6: I'm sure there's a 6th something to put here. But I can't be arsed.

Really, there's no reason to get your pink ruffly panties in a bunch over wishlists. It's pretty simple. You buy something off of it because you want to and don't expect anything back. Or you don't do it.

 

[SuperCJ79]

Once you send a model something off their wishlist it is up to them what they do with it, as you would if you bought a present for anyone. If you are only buying them something hoping to get some sort of a romantic relationship out of it then you are deluded, as you should only do it as a friendly gesture as an appreciation of them as a person or their work.