In most cases if you're an adult who's been in the work force and you don't see the value of a college education all around you...and think it's a waste time. Then FARRR be it from me to waste my time trying to show that person how it is a value.
College Is a Waste of Time
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In most cases if you're an adult who's been in the work force and you don't see the value of a college education all around you...and think it's a waste time. Then FARRR be it from me to waste my time trying to show that person how it is a value.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I guess it depends on the job. If you're going into engineering, or anything which requires a deep knowldge of math, science or chemistry, don't get the degree = don't get the job. Simple as that.
An internship is a great opportunity to see if what you think you like is what you're really cut out for. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. It also gives you a chance to get to know the right people in an organization, and line yourself up for the best job and get the best offer once you get out of school.
There are those rare people who don't go, or don't finish college, and they go on to be great successes. But most people don't live on that side of the bell curve. The data doesn't lie: people who are able to attend college and get a degree earn more than those who don't. If they become unemployed, it tends not to last as long for them.
College isn't the same thing as going to vocational school. But the more education you have, generally speaking, the better off you'll be in the future. At the very least, you'll have options in life that others, without a degree, may not have.
There is not blueprint or model of someone who goes to college. There are countless universities of all types and many are far, far from elitist...
Some of my friends did not go to college and many of my co-workers did not either.
Just face facts when you entering the workforce or interviewing for a career a college eduction gives you a advantage. Work Experience counts just as much, but both combined is very important. Many companies will not even interview you without one.
Lets face reality here. Education is important, BUT......the way our system of higher education is set up is a joke. It's inefficient. It doesn't make sense most of the time. It's not well taught. They try to make you learn more than you need to know or waste your time and get more money out to you. It's also a rip off designed to leach huge amounts of money away from people that can often ill afford to waste what they have. The way employers run things is a joke. With the exception of a few technical field of study and sciences, usually people just go to college to get a sheet a paper so they can get more easily hired somewhere. That's really what they people that go to places of higher education they are paying for. It's like a tacitly perpetuated sham that all of our society is in on, but we keep pretending to play it out. It's not for the knowledge, which most of them forget most of it in the year or two after they leave anyhow. Most of them don't even use a lot of what they were taught in the first place once hired in any real meaningful way.
It has nothing to do with the actual knowledge or ability of the person. It almost never has anything to do with how well they will do on the job. With the exception of those technical courses, the overwhelming majority of people could be trained on the job from anywhere from a week to a month or two with a good worker training them and do the job almost as well if not as well as the person with the degree. I bet a lot of them would even do a better under that type of system. Employers do it this way because one, it's easier and cheaper for them, and two, for some stupid reason it's got culturally ingrained into society that is what they should do. I loss count of the number of people with college educations that are crap at their job. I have also loss count of the number of times some non-college educated person could realistically probably do it just as easily.
Basically our whole system forces the majority of people in most professions to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars not for actual knowledge or the ability to do something better that they wouldn't be able to do otherwise. It certainly isn't about making us a better person or well rounded whatever load of shit places of higher learning try to spew our way. It's about getting that sheet of paper so some job will hire us whether we really ever needed it or not all the while we funnel ridiculous amounts of money into a system that could be done much much much MUCH better.
It has nothing to do with the actual knowledge or ability of the person. It almost never has anything to do with how well they will do on the job. With the exception of those technical courses, the overwhelming majority of people could be trained on the job from anywhere from a week to a month or two with a good worker training them and do the job almost as well if not as well as the person with the degree. I bet a lot of them would even do a better under that type of system. Employers do it this way because one, it's easier and cheaper for them, and two, for some stupid reason it's got culturally ingrained into society that is what they should do. I loss count of the number of people with college educations that are crap at their job. I have also loss count of the number of times some non-college educated person could realistically probably do it just as easily.
Basically our whole system forces the majority of people in most professions to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars not for actual knowledge or the ability to do something better that they wouldn't be able to do otherwise. It certainly isn't about making us a better person or well rounded whatever load of shit places of higher learning try to spew our way. It's about getting that sheet of paper so some job will hire us whether we really ever needed it or not all the while we funnel ridiculous amounts of money into a system that could be done much much much MUCH better.
like the original post said, it depends alot on what you are studying. I developed a love for music in my early 20's and ended up going to a 4 year for a degree which i am glad i have because i wanted to learn for myself, but economically speaking, unlikely ill ever make what i paid for that education with music,
Is there a hint of irony in your post and source WillE? The Wall St Journal--the Big Business Paper of America--publishing an EDITORIAL (not an Article WillE--do you know the difference?) which advocates what is tantamount to an obliteration of "class" differences because a College Education (in America) is a Class Distinction, of course. The obliteration of classes in a Society was something Karl Marx certainly believed. Should we go to the Communist Manifesto and find some quotes?
Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin would find a lot of what Karl Marx advocated as making a lot of sense. Joe the Plumber is a card-carrying member (as soon as he actually passes his master plumber exam) of the Proletariat, and Sarah Palin identifies with the Proletariat much more than the Wall St Banker elites of the GOP, right?
Articles that routinely appear in the WSJ pertain to "getting into the Ivys" and why it's a "good thing" to get that MBA....Companies seem to value higher education or else they wouldn't offer to pay for it, right? Maybe companies value the thinking and productivity uptick that a college educated workforce provides an employer?
The poster who said that the Conservatives on this site (and in their basements) that use "Marxist" to mean anything Democratic and Liberal was absolutely spot on.
Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin would find a lot of what Karl Marx advocated as making a lot of sense. Joe the Plumber is a card-carrying member (as soon as he actually passes his master plumber exam) of the Proletariat, and Sarah Palin identifies with the Proletariat much more than the Wall St Banker elites of the GOP, right?
Articles that routinely appear in the WSJ pertain to "getting into the Ivys" and why it's a "good thing" to get that MBA....Companies seem to value higher education or else they wouldn't offer to pay for it, right? Maybe companies value the thinking and productivity uptick that a college educated workforce provides an employer?
The poster who said that the Conservatives on this site (and in their basements) that use "Marxist" to mean anything Democratic and Liberal was absolutely spot on.
i liked college.
I'm saying you don't need to go to college to be successful. I guess I went for the wrong reason, and wasn't interested in the field I was studying. I tried to go back on more than one occasion. It's just wasn't for me. School is not for everyone.
school is not for everyone, and there are many careers that benefit from those who don't go to college. the world would fall apart without those people and those jobs.
school is for some people, and those people should not be discouraged from going. college in america is terribly overpriced and accessible to too few people. surely, no one, not even the OP, can believe that it is a _BAD_ thing to have an educated general population?
school is for some people, and those people should not be discouraged from going. college in america is terribly overpriced and accessible to too few people. surely, no one, not even the OP, can believe that it is a _BAD_ thing to have an educated general population?
by the way, have you folks seen this bull-puckey?
http://us.cnn.com/2009/US/08/03/new.york.jobless.graduate/index.html
http://us.cnn.com/2009/US/08/03/new.york.jobless.graduate/index.html
Damn Will......we had a streak going there where I was agreeing with you......on this, you are COMPLETELY incorrect.
No college=nowhere. A college education WILL open doors. YOU have to see them open and be willing to walk through them. For those who actually believe that it is a waste of time did not look hard enough, did not try enough, did not give enough......you get what you give my friend.
If you go for a BA in Liberal Arts and do nothing with it, don't come crying to me that it was all a waste of time.
It is a game, but the rules are not that hard to figure out.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Bill Gates is a college drop out.
Look how many people are high school and college drop outs and make something of themselves. :hatsoff:
One of the co-founders of YouTube was also a college dropout.
College obviously isn't for everyone. It couldn't be.
But because there are a few people who made successes of themselves without college it would be idiotic to dismiss it as an important institution because of that.
You're talking to Will here.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Not very many. There are exceptions and then there is the rule. Bill Gates and Einstein are/were exceptional. Most of us aren't exceptional.
