CNN Panelist says Washington statues need to come down

[Bloodshot Scott]

Is it "anything left of corporatism is obviously communism"? Geez.

Props to propaganda: It works.

Sanders was raised by communist parents. His parents WERE communists - that is a FACT. Sanders' ideals lean/favor heavy toward communistic ideals. Sanders held his honeymoon in Russia for fuck's sake.



If Sanders wasn't a communist in many ways he was the worst closeted communist bastard this dying Country has ever seen have so much mainstream success for Presidency. Fuck him and all the idiotic bastards that are so brainless and clueless as to have not seen his obvious communistic ideals for what they obviously were.


As an aside: Can you imagine that? How would the "honest" media handled that - the fact Sanders loves communist Russia so much he held his fucking honeymoon there - surely the MSM would have crucified that dirty communist fuck like they have been Trump, right???

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Maybe. But people who argue that Americans' should relinquish our arms to the government because we could never win a war against our own government are assuming that our own government, our own fathers and brothers and uncles and sisters, would drop bombs on their own brothers and sisters and sons in their own land.

I don't see that happening.

 

[Jagger69]

It's not an overreaction.


A few things:


Why are these monuments all of a sudden a problem today? Why weren't they a problem 3, 5, 10, 20 years ago? Oh, that's right, they weren't.

Angela Rye is not a fringe lunatic nutjob; she is a person of importance in liberal circles. Her words are very telling about the motives of liberals/communists/Antifa etc.

I would go further: Not only does anything "Washington" or "Jefferson" (or even Abe Lincoln, among many others) need to be whitewashed, so does this country's name and for that matter the name of the entire Continent, "America", since it is the name of a blue-eyed European (Amerigo Vespucci).


In my opinion, EVERYTHING - currency, national name, the name of this Continent - all needs to change if we're going to go down this road.



A good equation is the "Redskins" name. The Redskins name wasn't a problem 10, 15, 25 or 30 years ago. All of a sudden people are offended or hurt by it? GIVE ME A BREAK.


They aren't hurt by it. Nor are these snowflakes alleging all of a sudden all these "monuments" (or whatever they are) need to come down are hurt. They aren't hurt; they are being ASSES for the sole purpose of being ASSES.


Now the slippery slope thing...I will say, just do away with all of it. I don't even give a fuck anymore. Maybe it will finally wake up middle-America.

I am as conservative as it gets on here, believe me, but I honestly truly thing that these Antifa/communists/liberals need to start pursuing all the removals indicated above. As Dennis Miller said: "the country is gone, it is lost".


The fact that this country damn near elected a communist in Sanders just a year ago - after tens of thousands died fighting communism just less than 50 years ago - indicates to me that is the direction this country is headed.

It is an over-reaction, Scott, so please consider this salient point about these confederate monuments versus the examples you and others are citing as domino targets for the same treatment before you dismiss my argument. Take the examples of statues of Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, Jefferson Davis et al and ask yourself what differentiates them from Washington, Jefferson or, really, any historical figure so honored that was not a party to the confederacy? The answer is that they were not engaged in open rebellion against the United States or making overt efforts to destroy it and kill its soldiers and citizens. This type of activity is defined as treason by the US constitution. As if treason wasn't reason enough, the fact that they were also devoted to the cause of the preservation of the institution of slavery makes their transgressions all the more compelling.

Add to this the fact that the vast majority of these monuments were erected in the early part of the 20th century not long after the Plessy v. Ferguson decision upholding the segregationist standard of "separate but equal" was handed down by the SCOTUS in 1896. This period was the zenith of the Jim Crow era and racism was rampant, especially in the south. These statues were placed in prominent places in cities and towns in the south like public squares, parks, court houses and other public venues ostensibly as a gesture to honor these men but the imposing if veiled message for the negroes in the area to remember their place was certainly not missed by those to whom it was directed. It was a blatantly racist motivation cloaked in a celebration of "southern heritage". Well, I have a long line of southern ancestors going all the way back to colonial Virginia and I can tell you that there is certainly nothing to be proud of concerning the actions and motivations of these men who were seeking to keep millions of black people enslaved. If you're in favor of preserving the glorification of that concept I don't know what else I can say to dissuade you.

The statues should not be eliminated by any means and certainly not destroyed if they can be dismantled and moved to an appropriate place like a museum, battlefield or other commemorative site where they can accurately be remembered for what they were, not what they were purported to be. An attempt to wipe out history? Oh no, on the contrary and by all means we definitely need to preserve and remember the actions and motivations of these people who sought to destroy our country and perpetuate the institution of slavery. The popular penchant, and one that you repeated, that I keep hearing from those so fiercely opposed to taking these monuments out of the mainstream view and placing them where they belong for suggesting we therefore take Washington, Jefferson and others off of currency, raze historic civil war battle sites, tear down the Washington Monument & Lincoln Memorial etc is such an obvious inconsistency as to be ridiculous. Rename our continent? Sorry, but I just don't see the connection between slavery, treason and Amerigo Vespucci. No one with any viable credibility or influence is suggesting any of these things except people like you so, yes, this is an over-reaction, Scott and a blatant and contrived one at that.

I know you to be a reasonable guy (and a hockey fan like me!:thumbsup so I seriously hope you will consider what I said and rethink your position on this. It's just the right thing to do.

Speaking of hockey, give us an update on what's up with the Wild for this season in the hockey thread when you get time, buddy. I'm thinking it will be hard for them to outdo last year from a regular season standpoint but they definitely need to carry more weight in the playoffs. Likewise, a farm update would be helpful. What's new in Des Moines?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

The statues should not be eliminated by any means and certainly not destroyed if they can be dismantled and moved to an appropriate place like a museum, battlefield or other commemorative site where they can accurately be remembered for what they were, not what they were purported to be. An attempt to wipe out history? Oh no, on the contrary and by all means we definitely need to preserve and remember the actions and motivations of these people who sought to destroy our country and perpetuate the institution of slavery. The popular penchant, and one that you repeated, that I keep hearing from those so fiercely opposed to taking these monuments out of the mainstream view and placing them where they belong for suggesting we therefore take Washington, Jefferson and others off of currency, raze historic civil war battle sites, tear down the Washington Monument & Lincoln Memorial etc is such an obvious inconsistency as to be ridiculous. Rename our continent? Sorry, but I just don't see the connection between slavery, treason and Amerigo Vespucci. No one with any viable credibility or influence is suggesting any of these things except people like you so, yes, this is an over-reaction, Scott and a blatant and contrived one at that.

I don't think it's an overreaction on my side at all.


Do I give a shit? Honesly not really...but the disingenuous nature of the insanity that is going on today is madness. The hysterical nature of the left is very disturbing and the media are carrying their message more and more for them.


I think you could agree that the shit going on today (not JUST on this fringe group of "white nationalists" but ALSO on the ANTIFA/communist/liberal side) is very concerning?



Like I said, these monuments/statues weren't a problem a year ago, much less 5, 10 or 20 years ago. So what does that say about ALL the liberals that were oblivious to these things? They MUST have all been a bunch of racist assholes as well because by golly they let them stand there without a peep for nearly a hundred years.


It's hyperbole. It's overreaction and it's insanity, to me at least.


And it won't happen in my/your lifetime, but mark my words this country has to be renamed now that we started down this road...it HAS to be changed. And in that respect - and the turning communist nature of this country and the West in general - I don't at all think it's out of the question that the Continent also must be changed since Amerigo I am sure had quite a checkered past!


Cheers. Like I said I am beat down and disgusted with the slant this Country is leaning towards.


And I will chime in on NHL thread soon enough I am sure!

 

[Jagger69]

Well, it is plain to me that you are more emotional than analytical about this issue so I'll just let it go at that. I am indeed extremely concerned about any radical political group whose aim it is to undermine the constitution of the United States and to deprive entire groups of American citizens of their civil rights, whether it be on the right, left or whether it be within the very institution of government itself like we seem to have going on in the executive branch today. Yes, concerned it way too mild a word.

Now onto much more pleasant subjects. Yes, a Wild update would be most appreciated. As you know I am very familiar with and fond of many of the players on your roster due to their past affiliation with my beloved but defunct Houston Aeros. :crying:

 

[Rattrap]

Sanders was raised by communist parents. His parents WERE communists - that is a FACT.

I just want to be clear: Are you saying that "If the parent is X, this is evidence the son is X?"

Sanders' ideals lean/favor heavy toward communistic ideals.

Another clarification: Are you saying that "Lean/favor toward X = X?"

Maybe. But people who argue that Americans' should relinquish our arms to the government because we could never win a war against our own government are assuming that our own government, our own fathers and brothers and uncles and sisters, would drop bombs on their own brothers and sisters and sons in their own land.

I don't see that happening.

This is already happening in North Dakota (sans bombs, to be fair). The trick is to convince the public that they aren't your sons/brothers/uncles/etc., but criminal thugs (easier to do when they have a different color skin).

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Well, it is plain to me that you are more emotional than analytical about this issue so I'll just let it go at that. I am indeed extremely concerned about any radical political group whose aim it is to undermine the constitution of the United States and to deprive entire groups of American citizens of their civil rights, whether it be on the right, left or whether it be within the very institution of government itself like we seem to have going on in the executive branch today. Yes, concerned it way too mild a word.

Now onto much more pleasant subjects. Yes, a Wild update would be most appreciated. As you know I am very familiar with and fond of many of the players on your roster due to their past affiliation with my beloved but defunct Houston Aeros. :crying:

We can agree to disagree. That's fine. I would just leave you with this: WHY weren't statues a problem before this election, or 3, 5, 10 or 20 years ago? We all know why. They hurt NO ONE.


This whole charade is SILLLLLLLLLLY. It makes me look at liberals/communists as even bigger children than they are (and I know you are probably liberals so I am not saying you are but the crackpots in general who have thrown this fucking tirade are absurd.)

Liberals/communists/cultural marxists know what they are doing - these statues mean NOTHING and every last sensible American who can think for themselves probably generally agrees this whole charade this last week and a half has been a god damn disgrace that never had to happen nor should it ever have happened.


I think the conspiracy theorists are right - this whole fiasco the last week and a half was a political stunt and not even close to done out of anything genuine other than to cause a shitstorm. This is children's shit.

I just want to be clear: Are you saying that "If the parent is X, this is evidence the son is X?"


Another clarification: Are you saying that "Lean/favor toward X = X?"


This is already happening in North Dakota (sans bombs, to be fair). The trick is to convince the public that they aren't your sons/brothers/uncles/etc., but criminal thugs (easier to do when they have a different color skin).

There are more than enough red flags around that cultural marxist fucking dirty bastard Bernie that I have come to the appropriate conclusion that he is a communist. Oh, he won't dare ever say it or claim it - he is too busy hoodwinking this dumb country into believing his way is the right way. He is a snake of the worst kind that I have ever seen in politics.

 

[Rattrap]

There are more than enough red flags around that cultural marxist fucking dirty bastard Bernie that I have come to the appropriate conclusion that he is a communist. Oh, he won't dare ever say it or claim it - he is too busy hoodwinking this dumb country into believing his way is the right way. He is a snake of the worst kind that I have ever seen in politics.

As that wasn't relevant, let's try this again:

Are you saying that "If the parent is X, this is evidence the son is X?"

Another clarification: Are you saying that "Lean/favor toward X = X?"

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

As that wasn't relevant, let's try this again:

Are you saying that "If the parent is X, this is evidence the son is X?"

Another clarification: Are you saying that "Lean/favor toward X = X?"

I've already answered your question. I've made my own observations regarding that dirtbag and there ample evidence he's a Marxist rat.


There are people in America today whose parents were liberal and they are conservative, or their parents are/were conservative and they are now liberal. I don't/won't deny that.


But that Trotskyite fucking dirtbag is a snake.

Sanders’ association with the radical left is varied—over many years of political development he came to be associated with the youth section of the Socialist Party; the Trotskyist Socialist Workers’ Party; the anti-war Vermont Liberty Union Party, and the left-wing People’s Party.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/bernies-past-with-the-far-far-far-left

 

[Rattrap]

I've made my own observations regarding that dirtbag and there ample evidence he's a Marxist rat.

I find the beginning of that sentence highly dubious, but I realize I'm going down a rabbit hole trying to battle generations of propaganda and that's not a fight I can win. I'd go in a different direction, but I've already derailed too far.

There are people in America today whose parents were liberal and they are conservative, or their parents are/were conservative and they are now liberal. I don't/won't deny that.

Thank you for answering that question. It makes me wonder why Sanders' parents were relevant at the start, then, but at least we're clear now.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/bernies-past-with-the-far-far-far-left

Note the most recent date in that article: 1988. Considering the man's been in elected office since 1981, you'd think there'd be more concrete, recent communist influence in Birmingham and/or Vermont.

But I digress.

The CNN panelist was making a stupid false equivalency.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I find the beginning of that sentence highly dubious, but I realize I'm going down a rabbit hole trying to battle generations of propaganda and that's not a fight I can win. I'd go in a different direction, but I've already derailed too far.


Thank you for answering that question. It makes me wonder why Sanders' parents were relevant at the start, then, but at least we're clear now.


Note the most recent date in that article: 1988. Considering the man's been in elected office since 1981, you'd think there'd be more concrete, recent communist influence in Birmingham and/or Vermont.

But I digress.

The CNN panelist was making a stupid false equivalency.

I still think a child raised in a certain home set of values is far more likely to bring those values into the Real World. If anything children are more likely to tilt to the 'left' or go even further 'left' when they enter the Real World as colleges and universities are more than likely to poison their minds towards liberalism.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

And Angela Rye may have sounded like a loon but no one holds liberals like you to their word on hardly anything anymore. When you say what she's saying is never going to happen, how are we supposed to believe you. What she's saying IS the road we are going to go down soon.

As BC said you lied to us over and over and over again about the "you can keep your doctor" bullshit (that's one example) and there are a thousand other examples regarding that as well in this Country's history, from both the left and the right.

 

[Rattrap]

I still think a child raised in a certain home set of values is far more likely to bring those values into the Real World.

I agree. To that end, Fred Trump's values were much more dangerous than Elias Sanders'. And we're seeing this play out live.

If anything children are more likely to tilt to the 'left' or go even further 'left' when they enter the Real World as colleges and universities are more than likely to poison their minds towards liberalism.

Ah yes, that ol' education = poison business. You know whose company you keep with that sentiment? Boko Haram.

And Angela Rye may have sounded like a loon but no one holds liberals like you to their word on hardly anything anymore. When you say what she's saying is never going to happen, how are we supposed to believe you. What she's saying IS the road we are going to go down soon.

As BC said you lied to us over and over and over again about the "you can keep your doctor" bullshit (that's one example) and there are a thousand other examples regarding that as well in this Country's history, from both the left and the right.

Who is the 'you' in this sentence?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I agree. To that end, Fred Trump's values were much more dangerous than Elias Sanders'. And we're seeing this play out live.


Ah yes, that ol' education = poison business. You know whose company you keep with that sentiment? Boko Haram.


Who is the 'you' in this sentence?

Education is unbelievably liberal now. If you don't believe that (like you don't believe Bernie is a communist rat) then there's nothing I can tell you to change that. But deep down inside I know you're not stupid. You know damn well public education and higher education alike are FILLED with liberals who poison young children's minds.

I have a bachelor's degree by the way.

 

[Rattrap]

Education is unbelievably liberal now.

Oh, I'm not debating that. That education tends toward liberalism should tell you something, if you stopped long enough to think about it.

If you don't believe that (like you don't believe Bernie is a communist rat) then there's nothing I can tell you to change that.

On the contrary. I'm pretty easy to convince: I just need evidence. Case in point with Sanders: He's been in elected office since 1981. Show me the communist paradise of Birmingham. Show me the communist paradise of Vermont. Then show me his whiskers and hairless tail, and I'm right there with you.

You know damn well public education and higher education alike are FILLED with liberals...

From truth...

...who poison young children's minds.

...to non sequitur.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Well, well, well....


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If these communists keep this shit up there literally WILL be a second Civil War. Even reasonable people are going to blow a gasket..

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Oh, I'm not debating that. That education tends toward liberalism should tell you something, if you stopped long enough to think about it.

Oh it tells me something alright, and not that liberalism is this almighty idealistic bullshit it claims to be.


But I'm not like most of the masses/lemmings. I am not easily poisoned or influenced by poisonous ideals.

 

[Rattrap]

Oh it tells me something alright, and not that liberalism is this almighty idealistic bullshit it claims to be.

What does it tell you?

I am not easily poisoned or influenced by poisonous ideals.

So it was a difficult process, then?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

More funny biznisss...:

http://www.startribune.com/minneapo...xander-ramsey-in-with-justice-page/428452213/