Yeah Red Bean the title is definitely appropriate for you and the other cartoon characters, however, this 300 page scientific report is the starting reading point for somebody of your remedial stature ..With your "college degree" you should not have much difficulty with the subject matter ! LOL

CONTRAIL SCIENCE, ITS IMPACT ON CLIMATE AND
WEATHER MANIPULATION PROGRAMS CONDUCTED
BY THE UNITED STATES AND ITS ALLIES

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=292&Itemid=50

Philbert ... shall we snuggle up with a good book together!

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This is my go to thread, Eric you are the biggest laughing stock ever. I love it, please carry on, do not change. You are perfect.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Your dumb lazy question is non-responsive to the issue of this thread, formulate ONE specific question, per post, THAT I HAVE NOT ALREADY ANSWERED, and that is based on an analysis of the materials., Provide links, citations, and quotes, regarding all questions and/or observations that you make, if you wish to be taken seriously by me…when you try again….

All done to your satisfaction. See below with the links that you asked for.

Both of your statements show that you have no idea what you are talking about. Point by point I provide evidence of that your statements have no merit.


"the case study fails to include individuals in the study who actually have physical evidence, either within their skin, or filaments which they have extracted, of their infection."

Biopsies were done at the clinic and patient supplied samples were examined. See below from http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1105158

"A total of 108 patients met inclusion criteria for this study: 80 received biopsies, 80 had self-procured skin specimens, and 52 patients received biopsies and provided specimens."

So there you go. You made the claim and I provided evidence with link to prove your statement wrong. Let's do it again.


"the medical profession refuses to examine the lesions on patients containing filaments"

Another one of your claims that is outright false. See the evidence below from this study. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029908

Here you see the patients lesions that were examined.
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What was found in these samples supplied by biopsy or patient samples? See the tables below provided by this report link: http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1105158


These are the biopsy results. Click the links to see the charted evidence.

http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/data/journals/derm/22498/m_dst15014t1.png

These are the patient supplied findings.

http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/data/journals/derm/22498/m_dst15014t2.png



I hope this satisfies your format criteria.





What is this bullshit!?!?!...I'm not clicking on any of your links Tattoo Boy. If you are claiming that filaments have been extracted and examined then state specifically what your sources medical findings are as to the composition and origin of said filaments. Provide this informations in quotes, and then provide citations so that I can examine your evidence. Is that too fucking difficult, that's the one thing that I told you to do and you still haven't done it. Get with the program Tattoo and stop wasting my time !

Then why did you ask me to provide links? All done to your satisfaction. Information in quotes. Citations to examine. Links were provided as you asked. You are wrong with your claims and I have provided you with an education about this subject.
 
You just quoted the same bullshit again…LOL :facepalm: You don't have the answer do you, poor Tatoo Boy, spent all that time trying to answer intelligently and STILL struck out :

If you are claiming that filaments have been extracted and examined then state specifically what your sources medical findings are as to the composition and origin of said filaments. Provide this informations in quotes, and then provide citations so that I can examine your evidence. Is that too fucking difficult, that's the one thing that I told you to do and you still haven't done it. Get with the program Tattoo and stop wasting my time !

I don't expect much from the rest of these loser trolls, but at least you are somewhat entertaining because you don't realize how stupid you are and keep trying, I appreciate the entertainment, but at least follow the directions and don't say anything else stupid otherwise I'll just assume you finally understand that you are clueless lololo !


All done to your satisfaction. See below.





All done to your satisfaction. Information in quotes. Citations to examine. Links were provided as you asked.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
For Jaana and her love of the worst kaiju monster ever. And haiku, too.











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bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
You just quoted the same bullshit again…LOL :facepalm: You don't have the answer do you, poor Tatoo Boy, spent all that time trying to answer intelligently and STILL struck out :

If you are claiming that filaments have been extracted and examined then state specifically what your sources medical findings are as to the composition and origin of said filaments. Provide this informations in quotes, and then provide citations so that I can examine your evidence. Is that too fucking difficult, that's the one thing that I told you to do and you still haven't done it. Get with the program Tattoo and stop wasting my time !

I don't expect much from the rest of these loser trolls, but at least you are somewhat entertaining because you don't realize how stupid you are and keep trying, I appreciate the entertainment, but at least follow the directions and don't say anything else stupid otherwise I'll just assume you finally understand that you are clueless lololo !

Yes I did. Citations, quotes, sources of findings, and composition of filaments. All wrapped up in my post. No go fucking read it before you reply to me again.
 
That's what I thought Tattoo Boy, You don't have shit…yet again. You disappoint me boy. Came all the way back to this thread just to make a fool of your self yet again, face it, you're the laughing stock of the board. But I do appreciate you playing the game even though you aren't smart enough to know you can't win.

The sad thing is you're not even good at lying, you think you can put up some fake shit just to save face, but it was bound too fail…I guess it's true what they say…losers always lose…you are certainly proof of that…but feel free to keep trying….there is nothing more amusing to me than watching you clowns stutter and stumble and trip over your own feet….

But seriously, you're done and crushed on yet another issue,,,get your shit together and come up with something new so that I can clown you some more LOL


Yes I did. Citations, quotes, sources of findings, and composition of filaments. All wrapped up in my post. No go fucking read it before you reply to me again.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Six Reasons why "Chemtrails" are a Hoax
I first heard about "chemtrails" about five years ago, from an individual on a pre-Y2k preparedness forum. About six months later, I logged onto one of the chemtrail forums, and followed many links, evaluating both pro-chemtrail and anti-chemtrail research. I have also talked to many people about these phenomena, including meteorologists, commercial airplane pilots/crew, and other aerospace engineers with direct experience with large fixed-wing aircraft. I came to conclusions that I would like to discuss below; but first, I'd like to tell you about me, because it may (or may not) give you some insights as to why I believe what I do.

First, I want to emphasize that I do not speak for, or act as an agent for, my employer, The Boeing Company, in any way, shape, or form. My views are completely my own and do not necessarily reflect the views on anyone else at Boeing. As a matter of fact, I doubt if most of my colleagues have even heard of chemtrails. However, with thirty years in the aerospace/defense business, experience as a pilot (small aircraft only) and a habit of reading a lot, I hope that my views have something to back them up. Okay, here's my read on the view that some contrails are more than normal jet engine exhaust:

It's completely bogus. The idea that long-lasting contrails are anything other than normal contrails, in my belief, fails on six counts:

1. The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence.

2. The logistics of a massive spraying program would be an order of magnitude higher than the Manhattan Project, the Apollo Moon Landing, or the Vietnam War -- and simply could not be hidden from any oversight.

3. There is no evidence whatsoever of aircraft modified to perform some of the spraying methodologies that are proposed.

4. Anecdotal "evidence" of any illnesses caused by contrails is not backed up by any reliable data (and is actually contradicted by others).

5. There has never been any evidence of anyone collecting some of this "chemtrail" material in situ, having it tested by any reputable laboratory, and presented to anyone.

6. Every characteristic of chemtrails can be just as logically and rationally explained by normal contrails under normal (but differentiating) atmospheric conditions.

Now let's look at those counts in a bit more detail.

(1) The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence. The President; Congress; SecDef; Director of the FAA; the entire command structure of the various armed services; every military man or woman who flies, maintains, fuels, and overhauls aircraft; every commercial pilot and crew member; every meteorologist; and every aerospace engineer who builds, sells, modifies, or maintains the entire fleet of worldwide commercial aircraft comprise a group of about half a million people. Every one of them would have to be in on the plot. And in the X number of years that this "chemtrail" stuff has been going on, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has come out and said anything about it! What is the chance of a plot that requires the help of a half-million people being secret for more than six milliseconds? Zero.
As a matter of fact, there is no evidence of any sort of plot of any kind by the Bilderbergers, Illuminati, International Zionists, CFR, NWO, the International House of Pancakes, or anyone else.

Is our government corrupt and immoral? I believe so. Is the UN controlled by a bunch of socialist third-world losers with their hands out for the US to feed them and fight their wars for them? I think so, too. But that does NOT mean that they are heading a huge, secret, centuries-old plot to have the Black Helicopters Manned By Crack Bolivian Troops In Blue Berets Haul Us Off To The Secret Concentration Camps In Roachspit, Texas Where We Will Be Forced To Knit UN Flags And Eat Ebola-Burgers. It just means that they're crooks! So what else is new?

(2) The logistics of a massive spraying program. In order to have the massive worldwide spraying that the chemtrail-protagonists talk about would require thousands of aircraft, flying 24/7 shifts, with the additional support infrastructure, a bazillion pilots and ground crew, and the combined efforts of every employee at Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and even Airbus Industrie. It isn't there.

(3) There is no evidence whatsoever of aircraft modified to perform some of the spraying methodologies that are proposed. The only things I have ever seen on an aircraft that shoot things out (besides the engine exhaust) is the toilet and the fuel dump orifices, often at the wing tip. If the aircraft are squirting chemicals out of the fuel dump nozzles, what's in the fuel tanks? Poisonous chemicals? Huh-uh. (One exception to this is a military version of a civilian aircraft called TACAMO, a Navy variant of the AWACS aircraft. It has these oddball nozzles near the base of the wings. But they're still fuel-dump nozzles; they've merely been moved inboard because the TACAMO has reconnaissance pods at the wingtips, and they don't want to jettison JP-8 over the million-dollar electronics.)

Bear in mind that you don't just strap in a couple of big tanks and poke the nozzles out through the aircraft fuselage. There are VERY stringent engineering details to be worked out regarding structural integrity, movable center of gravity, environmental protection for the crew and poison-loaders, etc. Almost all major mods to an aircraft are done under subsequent contract to the original builder. Since no one at Boeing knows anything about such mods (and I've asked around) this means it either wasn't done, or everyone else (but me) in the company is in on the secret. Huh-uh.

(4) Anecdotal "evidence" of any illnesses caused by contrails is not backed up. One of the hypotheses of "chemtrails" is that they're toxic/infectious/bad juju. Various people report that they came down with flu-like symptoms after a heavy "spray day". As someone who does a lot of travel (domestic and international), I've flown out of a lot of airports and through a lot of other aircraft's contrails over the past five years.
If the poison-chemtrail hypothesis had any merit, there would be tons of sick passengers crawling off the 0900 shuttle to LAX; I've never seen 'em, nor has anyone I've talked with. If there is some weird residue in the contrails other than water with traces of JP-8, you'd see aircraft taxiing into the concourse with some sort of crud over the leading edges. I've never seen any of that, nor has anyone I've talked with.
One possible explanation for those flu-like symptoms? Flu. There's tons of it going around, and it's been that way since 1918.

(5) There has never been any evidence of anyone collecting some of this "chemtrail" material in situ, having it tested by any reputable laboratory, and presented to anyone. With all the interest in this crud, why hasn't anyone ever flown up to a "chemtrail", sampled some of the stuff, and brought it back to a reputable lab for test and reported on it?

One site purporting to talk about a laboratory testing a sample told how some individual scraped "something" off the side of a house, and sent it to one of the chemtrail protagonists. This individual sent it to a laboratory where he says they reported it had some bacteria in it. But then the individual says the lab "changed its mind" and said there was nothing wrong. Not only that, but our friend said he would not tell us the name of either the lab or the investigator because of ... of... something or other. That sure raises a credibility issue to me! Another researcher says he has the information, but he wants to be "compensated" for all the work he's put in before he tells us his tale. Puh-leez!

If there were just one case of someone with any credibility collecting some of this junk before it falls to the earth and gets worms on it, then sends it to a lab where objective individuals can review it under open conditions and publish their findings, that might lend a bit more credence to the whole chemtrail business. I'm waiting, but I don't think I'll skip dinner.

(6) Every characteristic of chemtrails can be just as logically and rationally explained by normal contrails under normal (but differentiating) atmospheric conditions.

But first, let�s take a minute and discuss what contrails are, anyway.

Contrails happen when the water vapor from the jets exhaust freezes into an ice cloud. If the temperature is at or below 40 degrees and the relative humidity is at a hundred percent or greater, then the ice cloud will stay frozen, and even act as a nucleus for other ice clouds to form around. This is why sometimes a contrail will spread to form larger clouds. If you have enough aircraft flying and making contrails, and the atmospheric conditions at that altitude are proper for contrail formation and persistence, then you can have the entire sky covered with thin clouds.

If the temperature is above minus forty degrees or less than 100% relative humidity, then the ice crystals will sublime (turn back into gas without going through a liquid phase, like dry ice) in about a minute or less and the contrails will disappear.

This increased cloud cover, by the way, can have serious long-term effects, when you think about it. More cloud cover means cooler days (because the clouds block the sunlight coming in during the day) and warmer nights (because the clouds block the heat radiating out into space at night). This diurnal temperature delta or the difference between day and night temperatures, could have some long-term effects, because most plants and animals in a particular environment have adapted to a temperature difference of so many degrees. When this figure is left, the plants and animals might not be able to thrive.

So when you put it this way, contrails can have a possible bad effect on the environment. But that's not what the chemtrail-believers are talking about.

Now to the weird chemtrails:

Dashed contrails? Sometimes you'll see contrails that start and stop, just like dashed lines. Some Chemtrail-believers say that such things are proof of chemtrails, because the start and stop contrails are the result of the spray nozzles getting stuck or something.

Now does it seem kind of odd to you that a powerful gang running secret plot which includes a million people can't seem to be able to keep a simple on-off nozzle working? Actually, the reasons that you have start-and-stop contrails is because the atmosphere is not constant and smooth; it's very turbulent (which is why we have clouds and wind). It's pretty common to have one spot at, say, 35,000 feet where the temperature/humidity is at 40/100%, yet only a quarter mile away, the temperatures a degree or so higher, or the humidity is a percentage point less. That's enough to stop the contrail from persisting. And believe me, an aircraft flying at 550 miles per hour covers that quarter mile in just a couple of seconds!

Circular contrails? Often, an airport may be backed up and the air traffic control folks might stack up aircraft in a circular holding pattern for a half-hour (or even longer). If that planes flying in a circle at the proper temperature/humidity profile, you'll see circular contrails.

Two side-by-side contrails, one that dissipates in a matter of minutes, and the other which persists for hours? The chances are that they're not side-by-side, but one is a thousand feet or more higher than another. When you're looking at aircraft at a cruising altitude, you simply can't tell which aircraft is closer. You have no frame of reference except the sky, and besides six miles high is just too far for us to have any kind of depth perception at all.

Tic-tac-toe contrails? No matter where you live in the continental United States, you are probably within view of at least one North-South and one East-West air corridor. So you might be seeing three aircraft on the DFW (Dallas/Fort Worth to LAX (Los Angeles International) corridor and four from Phoenix Sky Harbor to Seattle-Tacoma International corridor. These flights could be five minutes and two thousand feet apart, but if they're high enough, you'll see seven lines crossing just like a tic-tac-toe. (you probably won't see any Xs or Os, though).

Conclusion

So why the big deal with "Chemtrails"? I think there're popular on the boards for several reasons.

1. Conspiracies are fun! If you think you know what they're REALLY doing, maybe it makes you feel more powerful and on the "inside". Only the "sheeple" believe all the government lies, where WE know better. You remember the sheeple, of course -- they were those poor fools who believed that Y2K was going to be, at worse, a bump in the road. Shows how dumb they were, right?

2. Most chemtrail conspiracy theorists simply don't know much about things that would help them to disbelieve such hypotheses: stuff like engineering, meteorology, government procurement, military force structure, etc. But most importantly, the most of these individuals simply don't understand how scientific investigation and research works. They confuse opinion with facts, equate hypotheses with theories, do not reason logically, engage in ad hominem arguments, cannot or will not read peer-reviewed journals --- the list goes on and on.

Maybe I shouldn't get so exercised about the whole chemtrail business. In a way, it's like the belief in the Easter Bunny -- it keeps the folks happy; and as long as they don't try to shoot down a "chemtrail" plane, or assassinate or otherwise harass people who disagree with them, they're harmless.

But there are so many important things in the world that I consider a real priority -- Government intrusion into our lives, a nutburg foreign and domestic policy, the chance that a natural disaster may justify all those old Y2K preps, the pollution of our atmosphere and destruction of our environment by hydrocarbon burning -- that I hate to think that well-meaning but naive people on these and other forums are wasting their time on what is no more than a silly and cruel hoax.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread82471/pg1

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LOL Awww shit, now my lil web pic boy is trying to get in the game…Is that all you got boy, this looks like some shit you wrote yourself big shot lololol

I have presented the overwhelming amount of corroborating testimonies, from persons with superior professional and political proximity to the geoengineering phenomenon to make statements of paramount credible significance. I have referenced Aviation Scientists, NASA Heliophysicists, Public Health Officials, Political Leaders, Environmental Scientists, .etc. from around the world providing direct testimony substantiating the chemtrail/geoengineering phenomenon.

Further, I have substantiated irrefutable evidence of aerosol chemtrail spraying of both bacterial and chemical agents being done in military covert operations around the world since at least the 1950's.


You have nothing to offer compared to that. I know you are somewhat simple, but even you should understand that I clearly have the overwhelming weight of the best evidence
.

Stick to posting web pics boy, you're in over your head trying to actually say something intelligent, you're just making yourself look even more like a fool than you already have…


Do some real research boy and try again.

CONTRAIL SCIENCE, ITS IMPACT ON CLIMATE AND
WEATHER MANIPULATION PROGRAMS CONDUCTED
BY THE UNITED STATES AND ITS ALLIES

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cm...=292&Itemid=50

 
Bwahahaha, I just caught up on this thread. Let's give a summary:

Eric: provide proof!
Bob: provides proof, links, exactly in the format asked for.
Eric: I'm not clicking your links, you provided no proof!
Bob: The proof is in the links, you have to read them.
Eric: No! Obviously I'm right, no one provided any proof to the contrary.

It's hilarious how much Bob has absolutely destroyed Eric with logic, reasoned argument, and a lack of name calling. Bob - Well done! You've entirely punked this little bitch. I know he won't believe it, but just so you know, soldier on, man. Every single other person here knows that regardless of who is correct (Bob), Eric looks like a complete douche here. He asks for proof, but won't read it.

:clap:
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
I'm not trying to convince you that you're one hundred percent wrong. That would be as stupid as anything you've posted and believe.

I post for my own entertainment and to let people know that you're fucked in the head. Trying to convince someone who's so sure he's right (fucking comical) is futile. Rather than fall into a meaningless debate in which one of the participants flat out shows a willful ignorance of common sense and rational discourse; I instead prefer to mock.

You have proven to me and to every other member here that you don't want a discussion; you want a monologue where only one ideology can be considered. Yours. You're an attention whore. You're like a less intelligent or talented Paris Hilton. Instead of coke and night vision goggle blowjobs, you post bullshit conspiracy theories like a bunch of other tinfoil hat wearers around here that fall apart upon even the most rudimentary examination (contrails; 911; and the anti vaccination campaigns jump readily to mind. ). The bullshit theories do nothing but make those who espouse them look like fools.

My magnificent posts are for the enjoyment of the enlightened denizens who know you are full of shit and I will keep making them because they do more to educate than any of your "facts." "It's true because I wrote it." That seems to be your only guiding truth. Your disregard for any thought critical of your beliefs is hateful and rude. It's fine to compromise or even to just listen to a dissenting voice, but you don't even do that. You just keep chugging along like a retarded little engine that couldn't convince. You want to know how I know this is true? Tough shit, I'm going to spell it out anyway. For every critical post anyone has made, you HAVE to respond and disregard their question or evidence contradicting your post. It speaks volumes about your lack of character.

At least some of the other trolls around here have the common courtesy to let people have a differing opinion.
 
:sleep:... Stick to posting web pics boy, you're in over your head trying to actually say something intelligent, you're just making yourself look even more like a fool than you already have…

I'm not trying to convince you that you're one hundred percent wrong. That would be as stupid as anything you've posted and believe.

I post for my own entertainment and to let people know that you're fucked in the head. Trying to convince someone who's so sure he's right (fucking comical) is futile. Rather than fall into a meaningless debate in which one of the participants flat out shows a willful ignorance of common sense and rational discourse; I instead prefer to mock.

You have proven to me and to every other member here that you don't want a discussion; you want a monologue where only one ideology can be considered. Yours. You're an attention whore. You're like a less intelligent or talented Paris Hilton. Instead of coke and night vision goggle blowjobs, you post bullshit conspiracy theories like a bunch of other tinfoil hat wearers around here that fall apart upon even the most rudimentary examination (contrails; 911; and the anti vaccination campaigns jump readily to mind. ). The bullshit theories do nothing but make those who espouse them look like fools.

My magnificent posts are for the enjoyment of the enlightened denizens who know you are full of shit and I will keep making them because they do more to educate than any of your "facts." "It's true because I wrote it." That seems to be your only guiding truth. Your disregard for any thought critical of your beliefs is hateful and rude. It's fine to compromise or even to just listen to a dissenting voice, but you don't even do that. You just keep chugging along like a retarded little engine that couldn't convince. You want to know how I know this is true? Tough shit, I'm going to spell it out anyway. For every critical post anyone has made, you HAVE to respond and disregard their question or evidence contradicting your post. It speaks volumes about your lack of character.

At least some of the other trolls around here have the common courtesy to let people have a differing opinion.
 
Beat it junior, you swore you were going, but yet here you are again begging for attention, so the fact that you are a lying buffoon is just re-enforced by you crawling back in here yet again. You have no point and you have failed miserably trying to stick up for your loser boyfriend…lololol

You have zero credibility, and your bullshit is...

:notworking:

because you are a ….

:troll2:

So get lost fool, and this time STAY gone…LOL
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
See now, you've gone and insulted two of the smartest posters on the board and managed to look like a complete jackass in doing so. Dirl is phenomenally brilliant even though I almost always disagree with him when it comes to matters of national politics. The point being, I can distance myself from the matter at hand, weigh the arguments rationally and, in the end, realize that my friend may be wrong. But he's still my friend.

You on the other hand are just an attention whoring troll jerkoff asshat fuckwit who cannot converse in a manner that would demand respect. You have lost everyone's respect because you act like a petulant child. Throw your tantrum and change your diaper. It's getting old and just as I stated, you cannot resist answering every post because you are a fucking troll who doesn't realize he is dealing with people smarter than the other members of his SJA support group.

You resort to name calling and dismissive behavior because it's all you have to fall back on because your argument lacks any merit. I resort to name calling because I'm childish and vindictive. At least I can admit my faults, cunt.
 
AMERICAN SERVICEMEN USED AS GUINEA PIGS
JimCast@infowars.net

"Project Shipboard Hazard and Defense":(SHAD), was a program started in the early 1960's,to learn the vulnerabilities of US warships, during chemical or biological warfare attacks. Under "Project SHAD" were 113 different "Operations" or tests. US Naval crews and Marine personnel were sprayed with various biological
and chemical germ warfare agents, and simulants. Some ships, and Marine personnel were sprayed from overflying aircraft, while other tests on ships were being sprayed by aircraft carriers, which were upwind
. While some high ranking personnel may have had knowledge of what was happening, most of the ships crews did not.

Project "SHAD" was controlled by The US Army Deseret Test Center, later to be known as Dugway Proving Grounds, Utah. For over 35 years, The Department of Defense said, "there was NO Project "SHAD".

Today the DoD admits that it tested the deadly nerve agent Sarin, known as VX, or biological toxins on American Servicemen, but said the information was "classified".

Lately the Dod agreed to declassify all of the 113 "Operations" and inform the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)of the findings. Presently 12 of the 113 have been declassified, although the information being released is very limited.

The Department of Defense is not releasing ALL the information needed by the veteran, which would allow him to apply for treatment in a VA facility and to file a claim for service connected disability compensation.

Only about 600 veterans of the estimated tens of thousands of those exposed to warfare agents have been notified they could be suffering from related dangerous health effects, according to VA and Pentagon officials.

A study by the US Department of Veterans Affairs completed in September of 2001, but never released to the public or the affected veterans, suggests the Veterans, who participated in "Project SHAD",may be at increased risk for cerebrovascular diseases and respiratory diseases. That they are three (3) times more likely to die of resiratory and vascular brain diseases than the general population.

Steve Robinson, executive director of the National Gulf War Resources Center, said: "These veterans could be dying at a rate three times greater than the general population from diseases that could be related to their military service."

"We have a moral responsibility to set the record straight and that seems to be a problem for both the leaders in the Department of Defense, and the entrenched bureaucrats of the Department of Veterans Affairs."

Agents and decontaminants used, different one in different tests are: Bacillus globiggi(BG),Coxiella burnetii, Pasteurella tularensis, Zinc Cadmium Sulfide, Beta-propriolactone, Sarin, VX, Escherichia Coli (EC), Serratia Marcescens (SM), Sodium Hydroxide, Peracetic acid, Potassium Hydroxide, Sodium Hypochlorite, "tracer amounts" of radioactivity and asbestos,and Methylacetoacetate.



Anyone that believes they were part of the SHAD tests, should Contact:

Vietnam Veterans of America
8605 Cameron Street, Suite 400
Silver Spring, Maryland 20910
301-585-4000, Fax 301-585-0519, 1-800-VVA-1316

The SHAD helpline is at 1-800-749-8387 or contact VA by e-mail
at shadhelpline@vba.va.gov

All presently known SHAD operations, dates of operations, the
agents sprayed, and the ships and Marine personnel involved,
are:

OPERATION COPPER HEAD- Jan 24-Feb 25, 1965
AGENT- Bacillus globigii, Zinc Cadium Sulfide, (FP- fluorescent
particle.
SHIP- USS Power

OPERATION SHADY GROVE- Jan 22-Apr 9,1965
AGENT- Bacillus globigii, Coxiella burnetii (OU), Staphylococcal
enterotoxin, Type B_PG2, Uranine dye (Sodium fluorescein)
SHIP_ USS Granville S. Hall

OPERATION AUTUMN GOLD- May3-31-1963
AGENT- Bacillus globiggi (BG)
SHIPS AND MARINES- USS Navarro (LPA-215), USS Tioga County
(LST-1158), USS Carpenter, USS Hoel (DDG13),
USS Granville S. Hall (YAG-40), Marine Air
group 13, First Marine Brigade.

OPERATION PURPLE SAGE- Jan&Feb 1966
AGENT- Methylacetocetate
SHIP- USS Herbert J. Thomas (DD-833)

OPERATION EAGER BELLE I- Jan-Mar 1963
AGENT- Bacillus globiggi (BG)
SHIP- USS George Eastman (YAG-39)

OPERATION EAGER BELLE II- Feb-Mar 1963
AGENT- Bacillus gloviggi (BG)
SHIPS- USS George Eastman (YAG-39), USS Granville S. Hall (YAG-40),
USS Carpenter (DD-825), USS Navarro (LPA-215), USS
Tioga County (LST-1158)

OPERATION SCARLET SAGE- Feb 9-Mar 4,1966
AGENT- Bacillus globiggi (BG)
SHIP- USS Herbert J. Thomas (DD-833)

An article at www.tugboatsF.com/1t2080Frame1source1.htm, lists
the following agents being used on Army tug boats, LT-2080, LT-2081,
LT-2085, LT-2086, LT-2087, LT-2088, as Tularamia, anthrax, parriot
fever, Q fever, botulism, and Rocky Mountain Spotted fever.

OPERATION FEARLESS JOHNNY- Aug-Sep 1965
AGENT- Diethylphthlate
SHIPS- USS George Eastman (YAG-39), USS Granville S. Hall
(YAG-40), Two light tugs (not identified), VC-1 Utility
squadron One, Blue Aiis Squadron (Blue Warriors), Patrol
squadron Six (PATRON SIX), Flight Wing Two, Covered
lighter (barge) YFN-811, US Navy tug, ATF-105

OPERATION FLOWER DRUM I- Feb-Apr Aug-Sep 1964
AGENT- Sarin nerve agent, Sulphur dioxide, Methylacetoacetate
SHIPS- USS George Eastman (YAG-39), USS Granville S. Hall (YAG-40)

OPERATION FLOWER DRUM II- Nov&Dec 1964
AGENT- VX nerve gas, Phosphorous 32, Bis (2 ethyl-hexyl), Hydrogen
phosphite
SHIPS- US Navy Barge YFN-811, US Navy Tug, ATF-105

DTC TEST 69-32 Apr 30-Jun 28, 1969
AGENT- Serratia marcensen, Escherichia Coli, Bacillus subtilis
var. niger (BG)
SHIPS- USS Granville S.Hall (YAG-40), Five Army light tugs,
manned by Naval personnel

DTC TEST 68-50 Sep-Oct 1968
AGENTs- Bacillus globiggi (BG), Staphylococcal enterotoxin,
Type B (PG2), Uranine dye (Sodium fluorescein)
SHIP AND MARINES- USS Granville S. Hall (YAG-40), 4533rd Tactical
Fighter Wing (F-4E aircraft), Marine Air
Group 13, First Marine Brigade

OPERATION HALF NOTE
OPERATION RED BEVA
OPERATION NIGHT TRAIN
OPERATION BIG TOM

101 Others to come (hopefully)
 
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See now, you've gone and insulted two of the smartest posters on the board and managed to look like a complete jackass in doing so. Dirl is phenomenally brilliant even though I almost always disagree with him when it comes to matters of national politics. The point being, I can distance myself from the matter at hand, weigh the arguments rationally and, in the end, realize that my friend may be wrong. But he's still my friend.

You on the other hand are just an attention whoring troll jerkoff asshat fuckwit who cannot converse in a manner that would demand respect. You have lost everyone's respect because you act like a petulant child. Throw your tantrum and change your diaper. It's getting old and just as I stated, you cannot resist answering every post because you are a fucking troll who doesn't realize he is dealing with people smarter than the other members of his SJA support group.

You resort to name calling and dismissive behavior because it's all you have to fall back on because your argument lacks any merit. I resort to name calling because I'm childish and vindictive. At least I can admit my faults, cunt.
 
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