Chemtrails : Aluminum & Other Poisons Falling From The Sky

[Jagger69]

Re: Chemtrails : Aluminum & Other Poisons Falling From The Sky

Eric....just to play devil's advocate, can you provide a rebuttal to this pilot's assertion? Personally, I wouldn't trust our government to NOT be involved in such activities. However, I just think it would be impossible to do it with the total confidence and cooperation of the entire commercial aviation industry. Clearly, they don't have that.

 

[eric2136]

Re: Chemtrails : Aluminum & Other Poisons Falling From The Sky

Eric....just to play devil's advocate, can you provide a rebuttal to this pilot's assertion? Personally, I wouldn't trust our government to NOT be involved in such activities. However, I just think it would be impossible to do it with the total confidence and cooperation of the entire commercial aviation industry. Clearly, they don't have that.

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion, Jagger.

I give the video posted no credibility whatsoever. There is no expert testimony or citations associated with it. The video lacks any citations as to who the speaker even is. There is absolutely no reason for him to hide his identity, and, as such, I don't believe he is even a pilot. Additionally, to simply say he is an airplane pilot and thus he is an expert on chemtrails and the associated patented technologies of aerosol spraying is ridiculous, especially in the face of all the contrary evidence indicating that the constant spraying is being done. Just on this page alone, I have direct quoted testimony from a NASA scientist, Dr. Rowland, who works at "NASA Goddard Space Flight Center as an Heliophysicist - Laboratory for Space Weather" , The Former Premiere of British Columbia Bill Vander Zalm, and Swedish Green Party politician Pernilla Hagberg.

Thes people are known public figures and professional experts in fields relative to the chemtrails phenomenon, and in enough proximity to the heart of the situation to have the sufficient knowledge necessary to make a credible statement regarding the matter. These people put their names, reputations, and safety on the line, opening themselves up to the criticisms of idiots and liars, just to deliver a message to help their fellow man.

Other places in this thread I have testimony from people in the military working with the aerosol spraying programs in different capacities giving direct testimony regarding the matter. I also have a 73 page Report conducted by a team of aviation scientists. These people, whenever possible, state their names, show their faces, and stand publicly behind the statements they make.

Furthermore, on a much more subjective and esoteric level, a linguistical/paralinguistical analysis of the video indicates to me that he is an angry liar. His reference to people who understand the field of geo-engineering and chemtrails as being "stupid right-wing conservatives" is ridiculous, and makes him sound like an angry frustrated teenager, rather than a concerned and responsible airplane pilot. Additionally, in my experiences, the term "debunk" is somewhat "low-brow and sophomoric" and is not a generally accepted scientific term used in discussing experimentation and/or analysis amongst qualified aviation engineers and scientific professionals.

Lastly, his reliance on radar as a foundation of his argument is also faulty, as indicated by video information which I already posted in this thread regarding meteorology, chemtrails, and the manipulation of radar imagery.

 

[Anonyne#017]

Yes, it's all true, your government is poisoning all you poor americans and obama is secretly using special air mask in his offices too... Luckily they and I've have had this special suit for a while to protect ourselves from aluminums, exhaust fumes and other smelly chemtrails people leave in the air as they walk. You should go get one too eric, wouldn't want some of those aluminum particles floating in the air to land on your skin, entering your inner bloodstreams and causing you to die at the age before your penis stops working...

 

[Jagger69]

Like him or loathe him, I think Jesse Ventura brings up an interesting comment (in re: his old TV show "Conspiracy Theory"). Start at the 2 minute mark for the comment.

 

[eric2136]

Nice post, Jagger !

I have always respected Former Govenor Jesse Ventura, and believed that he was a sincere and honest man in terms of what issues he choose to investigate, and how he went about conducting his investigations and interviews.

Unfortunately, the end of shows like Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory, in many ways marked the end of true investigative journalism, and commenced the sad beginning of our current time in history where America's 4th Estate of Journalism has now become the 5th Column of traitors to the interest of the common citizen.

In terms of Jesse Ventura's question regarding what the purpose of chemtrails could be, interestingly enough, he answers many of his own questions when he did this show regarding HAARP, which is one of the four identified military covert operations that utilize constant aerosol spraying technology. Too bad there are no real investigative journalists left in televised media to inform the public of what is really going on regarding chemtrails and many other pressing issues of extreme importance in current society.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

Sorry, but no. These things are literally impossible and have no basis in physics or technology. Any time you bring up chemtrails to a pilot, they laugh.

 

[eric2136]

Sorry, but no. These things are literally impossible and have no basis in physics or technology. Any time you bring up chemtrails to a pilot, they laugh.

LOL Oh really, well I have friends who are pilots, and they don't seem to find the issue amusing at all, nor would they ever be so foolish as to go against what their eyes see, or so foolish as to go against the weight of evidence in the public domain establishing, without a doubt, that chemtrails/aeresol spraying programs, have existed for decades.

On this page alone, I have direct quoted testimony from a NASA scientist, Dr. Rowland, who works at "NASA Goddard Space Flight Center as an Heliophysicist - Laboratory for Space Weather" , The Former Premiere of British Columbia Bill Vander Zalm, and Swedish Green Party politician Pernilla Hagberg.

Thes people are known public figures and professional experts in fields relative to the chemtrails phenomenon, and in enough proximity to the heart of the situation to have the sufficient knowledge necessary to make a credible statement regarding the matter. These people put their names, reputations, and safety on the line, opening themselves up to the criticisms of idiots and liars, just to deliver a message to help their fellow man.

Other places in this thread I have testimony from people in the military working with the aerosol spraying programs in different capacities giving direct testimony regarding the matter. I also have a 73 page Report conducted by a team of aviation scientists. These people, whenever possible, state their names, show their faces, and stand publicly behind the statements they make.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

LOL Oh really, well I have friends who are pilots, and they don't seem to find the issue amusing at all, nor would they ever be so foolish as to go against what their eyes see, or what the weight of evidence in the public domain indicates.

On this page alone, I have direct quoted testimony from a NASA scientist, Dr. Rowland, who works at "NASA Goddard Space Flight Center as an Heliophysicist - Laboratory for Space Weather" , The Former Premiere of British Columbia Bill Vander Zalm, and Swedish Green Party politician Pernilla Hagberg.

Thes people are known public figures and professional experts in fields relative to the chemtrails phenomenon, and in enough proximity to the heart of the situation to have the sufficient knowledge necessary to make a credible statement regarding the matter. These people put their names, reputations, and safety on the line, opening themselves up to the criticisms of idiots and liars, just to deliver a message to help their fellow man.

Other places in this thread I have testimony from people in the military working with the aerosol spraying programs in different capacities giving direct testimony regarding the matter. I also have a 73 page Report conducted by a team of aviation scientists. These people, whenever possible, state their names, show their faces, and stand publicly behind the statements they make.

My issue is your sources. chemtrails.cc? I can't trust to get unbiased, true information for what is essentially a blog with an agenda. this is my problem with most conspiracy theorists.

I've spoken to pilots here about this, as one of my best friends is an airplane mechanic and I know a lot of people who work in the industry. My brother was a hardcore believer in this theory at one point, but now he's even realized how ridiculous the whole idea is. The only evidence believers of this stuff has are grainy photos and quotes taken out of context. I watched that one doccument people made about this topic and they supposedly had "water" tested, but the "water" was actually sludge.

Seriously, Actual chemical spraying, like what they do for mosquitoes, and contrails, look nothing alike.

When one does a Google search for chemtrails, there is no actual proof. There are no news articles. There is nothing. Explain to me, please, how your government couldn't keep the President getting his cock sucked a secret, but a mass operation that would likely involve complete and utter compliance from hundreds of thousands of people is so easy to keep secret? Okay, so there's a "media blackout" - Fine. What's keeping all of the people from every local news station, every local paper, and every single member of staff at the bigger networks from telling people+ Do you want to tell me they've all been given some kind of magical anti-chemtrail pill that makes them immune? And they're all completely okay with taking said pill or whatever, and not alerting their loved ones that they're being poisoned?

I mean this with complete honesty, compassion, and sincerity: if you believe this stuff, you really, really, really should visit your doctor and discuss a possible diagnosis for schizophrenia, or some other psychological disorder. This kind of paranoia isn't normal and it's not healthy, and it's likely hurting you and those around you.

 

[eric2136]

My issue is your sources. chemtrails.cc? I can't trust to get unbiased, true information for what is essentially a blog with an agenda. this is my problem with most conspiracy theorists.

The sources which I provided in post #267 are all rock solid, if you want to do some sort of cursory "research" in the form of a google search, then you would be wise to start there…Until you show some sort of familiarity with the subject matter starting with the information which I specifically provided in direct response too you, I am disregarding anything else you say as simple, ignorant, and uninformed.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

Ah, the usual response from conspiracy types. "I know more than you. You're uninformed and I refuse to acknowledge what you say because I KNOW MORE THAN YOU!!!!12343".

 

[eric2136]

Ah, the usual response from conspiracy types. "I know more than you. You're uninformed and I refuse to acknowledge what you say because I KNOW MORE THAN YOU!!!!12343".

LOL Ok, now you're just being irrational lil mama JaRule Pickachu, I have been very specific in responding to you…If you are are going to purposely ignore the sources that I provided for you, then don't pretend like you want to discuss the issue intelligently.

 

[eric2136]

Ah, the usual response from conspiracy types. "I know more than you. You're uninformed and I refuse to acknowledge what you say because I KNOW MORE THAN YOU!!!!12343".

Finnish scientist Tuomas Kuokkanen substantiates the danger of chemtrails

Alternative movements and medias have been years concerned about chemtrailing and HAARP. Now researchers of Finnish Meteorological institute and University of E-Finland, Kuopio are also getting concerned. There is no international laws to control geo-engineering, though the environmental regulations should limit it, according professor Tuomas Kuokkanen. The geo-engineering is meant for preventing the climate change, but the results are uneven and unpredictable globally. So researchers confirm that the worry of citizens about chemtrails is well grounded. http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/tiedote...95?doAsUserLanguageId=fi_FI&refererPlid=38137.

http://proutscandinavia.blogspot.com/2013/04/finnish-scientist-about-chemtrails.html

Finland, Turku

EPA MCL (Maximum Contaminant Level) for aluminum in drinking water is 50 ug/l. This test shows 72 ug/l in rainwater in Finland.

http://globalskywatch.com/chemtrails/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6904#.UuVXVf30AcY

 

[JaanaRuutu]

Finnish scientist Tuomas Kuokkanen substantiates the danger of chemtrails

Alternative movements and medias have been years concerned about chemtrailing and HAARP. Now researchers of Finnish Meteorological institute and University of E-Finland, Kuopio are also getting concerned. There is no international laws to control geo-engineering, though the environmental regulations should limit it, according professor Tuomas Kuokkanen. The geo-engineering is meant for preventing the climate change, but the results are uneven and unpredictable globally. So researchers confirm that the worry of citizens about chemtrails is well grounded. http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/tiedote...95?doAsUserLanguageId=fi_FI&refererPlid=38137.

http://proutscandinavia.blogspot.com/2013/04/finnish-scientist-about-chemtrails.html

Finland, Turku

EPA MCL (Maximum Contaminant Level) for aluminum in drinking water is 50 ug/l. This test shows 72 ug/l in rainwater in Finland.

http://globalskywatch.com/chemtrails/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6904#.UuVXVf30AcY

lol you linked to a Finnish article even though you don't speak Finnish and it says nothing about chemtrails. That's adorable.

 

[STDiva]

Re: Chemtrails : Aluminum & Other Poisons Falling From The Sky

But why male models?

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But why male models?

 

[eric2136]

lol you linked to a Finnish article even though you don't speak Finnish and it says nothing about chemtrails. That's adorable.

My information is rock solid as usual, and you are in denial on a pathetic level if you dare to even insinuate that my information is anything other than 100% accurate.

Notwithstanding your apparent inability to deal with the irrefutable expert testimony presented to you regarding chemtrails in post #267, now you are trying to engage in some sort of ridiculous exercise is semantics, rather than just to admit the obvious.

You're right, I don't speak Finnish, but I do speak English, and there is no doubt as to the identity of Tuomas Kuokkanen, nor is there any doubt that he is a Finnish scientist who has studied and analyzed the issue of geo-engineering and chemtrails, and made the statements which I indicated. The Finnish citation was added to further establish his identity, rather than for the substance of the brief article. There is enough information about him in english to substantiate anything and everything which has been said.

Futhermore, you have yet to provide any information regarding chemtrails whatsoever that could even begin to disprove or refute, in any way, the findings of Aviation Scientists, Heliophysicists , etc,, regarding chemtrails presented in this thread, so by that fact alone, you loose.

So basically you have absolutely no points at all. You obviously can't refute anything presented in post #267, and you can't refute anything in the last post regarding Finnland in post #272, other than to make some criticism of Tuomas Kuokkanen that has no bearing on the factual allegations presented.

You seriously need to drop this mock denial because it's just ridiculous, and if you're depressed, and you can't deal with the reality of the world around you…then seek help. LOL

Tuomas Kuokkanen and Yulia Yamineva

´Regulating Geoengineering in International Environmental Law

Journal: Carbon and Climate Law Review - Issue: 3/2013 - pp. 161-167


http://www.lexxion.de/en/verlagspro...ering-in-international-environmental-law.html

 

[bobjustbob]

My information is rock solid as usual,

Except for that airplane that you made up.

 

[eric2136]

Except for that airplane that you made up.

I never made up any plane. When you first brought up the idea, I did research into the matter, and I shared my findings with you. I never had a name of a particular plane, the information I initially had was all that I had at the time.

When you insisted on pursuing the matter, I had to make a judgement call regarding wether I should share my sources for that particular information. I choose not too, and I stand by that because of what I deem to be the sensitive nature of your proposition.

Subsequently, my research now indicates that a research plane that could test for the complete array of particulates being sprayed is not available to non-military individuals. You and Red XXX provided some information regarding planes that you thought could meet that objective, but I deemed your information to be insufficient for several reasons.

 

[bobjustbob]

Good enough. You got false information and admit to it. I'll give you credit for manning up to that. By that same token drop your claim that all of the information you provide is 100% rock solid.

So tell me now, what in your research says that only such equipped planes can only be used by the military?

 

[eric2136]

Good enough. You got false information and admit to it. I'll give you credit for manning up to that. By that same token drop your claim that all of the information you provide is 100% rock solid.

So tell me now, what in your research says that only such equipped planes can only be used by the military?

I have not gotten, nor disseminated, any false information whatsoever, I haven't seen anything that contradicts what I said. As I said earlier, if you think you have some information that contradicts something I have said, then you can post it, along with your links, for my consideration. If I deem what you have submitted to be sufficient, then I will certainly acknowledge that, although it is very unlikely.

 

[Red XXX]

I'm afraid to upset you .... but it looks like the RAF started this Chemtrails lark years ago 'beer carrying Spitfires!