Charlottesville erupts.

He (McAuliffe) told them, but he didn't do anything to enforce it. If they're actually intimidated by that, they deserve the label of "snowflakes" as much as anybody.

Well, if your going to go all snowflake, constitutional rights are a good starting point. He was sworn to uphold the constitutions of Virginia and the United States. He told them that they had no place in America. As a governor.

What if Trump had said those same words and in the same context to Antifa?

Meltdown.
 

ApolloBalboa

Was King of the Board for a Day
Well, if your going to go all snowflake, constitutional rights are a good starting point. He was sworn to uphold the constitutions of Virginia and the United States. He told them that they had no place in America. As a governor.

What if Trump had said those same words and in the same context to Antifa?

Meltdown.

He has upheld them; his telling that group they had no place in America was his opinion, not an act of his office. He didn't infringe on their right of free speech, he said that he didn't believe it was cohesive with being a patriot. If he'd acted to stop them from being there in the first place, that would've been cause for concern. He didn't.

Ivanka Trump said "There should be no place in society for racism, white supremacy and neo-nazis." She's an advisor to the President. Is she guilty of intimidation or misusing her position?

I don't care what Trump might say to Antifa.
 
He has upheld them; his telling that group they had no place in America was his opinion, not an act of his office. He didn't infringe on their right of free speech, he said that he didn't believe it was cohesive with being a patriot. If he'd acted to stop them from being there in the first place, that would've been cause for concern. He didn't.

Ivanka Trump said "There should be no place in society for racism, white supremacy and neo-nazis." She's an advisor to the President. Is she guilty of intimidation or misusing her position?

I don't care what Trump might say to Antifa.

"No place for the ideology" is far different than "no place for those that harbor the ideology".
 

ApolloBalboa

Was King of the Board for a Day
"No place for the ideology" is far different than "no place for those that harbor the ideology".

No, it's not. You're saying that there's no place for the ideology either way; one states that there's no place period, the other that there's no place for those who support it (which amounts to saying there's no place for it, period).
 
No, it's not. You're saying that there's no place for the ideology either way; one states that there's no place period, the other that there's no place for those who support it (which amounts to saying there's no place for it, period).

An ideology can exist without people,subscribing to it.
 

ApolloBalboa

Was King of the Board for a Day
An ideology can exist without people,subscribing to it.

An ideology can't exist without conscious thought. By its very definition alone, an ideology is "the set of beliefs by which a group or society orders reality so as to render it intelligible." How can an ideology exist when nobody subscribes to it?

Even if that was true, that an ideology could exist without people subscribing to it, it's been proven that there are those who do believe in it. And, so far, none of their rights have been trampled on any more than anybody else's, despite your pointed arguments that they've been intimidated or muscled out of protesting.
 
An ideology can't exist without conscious thought. By its very definition alone, an ideology is "the set of beliefs by which a group or society orders reality so as to render it intelligible." How can an ideology exist when nobody subscribes to it?

Even if that was true, that an ideology could exist without people subscribing to it, it's been proven that there are those who do believe in it. And, so far, none of their rights have been trampled on any more than anybody else's, despite your pointed arguments that they've been intimidated or muscled out of protesting.

Yes, it can. If you suddenly started worshiping Sycamore trees, the ideology was in place through the existence of the tree without conscious thought prior to your enlightenment.

McAuliffe explicitly stated that those that are white supremacists and Nazis do not have a right to exist or adhere to their ideology in America.

Yes they do, and the constitution grants them that right. They also have the burden of defending their ideology if it offends others.

Antifa are shutting down free speech, they are worse than the neo Nazis.
 

ApolloBalboa

Was King of the Board for a Day
Yes, it can. If you suddenly started worshiping Sycamore trees, the ideology was in place through the existence of the tree without conscious thought prior to your enlightenment.

McAuliffe explicitly stated that those that are white supremacists and Nazis do not have a right to exist or adhere to their ideology in America.

Yes they do, and the constitution grants them that right. They also have the burden of defending their ideology if it offends others.

Antifa are shutting down free speech, they are worse than the neo Nazis.

No it can't. The ideology is formed by the individual, it's not free-floating waiting to drift into someone's head; it doesn't exist. I could look at the sycamore and think "it's just a tree" or I could think it's my God and start worshiping it. The ideology of worshiping the tree didn't exist before I thought of it; the tree didn't think of it and then transmit it to my brain, the ideology was formed based on the tree, not through the existence of the tree. Religion is an ideology, but it can't be based in existence because you can't prove the existence of God.

McAuliffe said exactly what I posted (plus more): “There is no place for you here. There is no place for you in America...Go home. You are not wanted in this great commonwealth. You pretend that you are patriots, but you are anything but patriots.” He didn't deny them a right to exist, he said he didn't want them here. If you or anybody else took his words to mean nonexistence, fine, but that is NOT what he said. If you find something that says otherwise, please post it.

I'm not getting into any Antifa argument. I have no connection to them, so there's no use in bringing it up. As for the neo Nazis, I'll choose to be more concerned with them since they seem to have a vendetta against my kind.
 
No it can't. The ideology is formed by the individual, it's not free-floating waiting to drift into someone's head; it doesn't exist. I could look at the sycamore and think "it's just a tree" or I could think it's my God and start worshiping it. The ideology of worshiping the tree didn't exist before I thought of it; the tree didn't think of it and then transmit it to my brain, the ideology was formed based on the tree, not through the existence of the tree. Religion is an ideology, but it can't be based in existence because you can't prove the existence of God.

McAuliffe said exactly what I posted (plus more): “There is no place for you here. There is no place for you in America...Go home. You are not wanted in this great commonwealth. You pretend that you are patriots, but you are anything but patriots.” He didn't deny them a right to exist, he said he didn't want them here. If you or anybody else took his words to mean nonexistence, fine, but that is NOT what he said. If you find something that says otherwise, please post it.

I'm not getting into any Antifa argument. I have no connection to them, so there's no use in bringing it up. As for the neo Nazis, I'll choose to be more concerned with them since they seem to have a vendetta against my kind.

I understand your POV and why the group being discussed offends you even if we don't agree.


I'll make that concession to you.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Here is the car about to hit people.
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Notice anything about that photo?
Crystal clear. Wow. Must have been one great camera to get a shot that clear of a moving vehicle.
And for the photographer to be ready for such a shot. He/She most have been a real PRO.

You can even see the tire threads clear as day. To get a picture of a moving vehicle and be able to see tire threads?
Must have been one high quality camera.

And the brake lights are on.
I've watched the video many times and at no time do I see brake lights come on.

I cant explain it.

Another iconic photo that went around the world immediately. The car hitting people. Shoes Everywhere!
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Note the Black guy in mid air. Note the Toyota Pickup.
Must have been a professional photographer with incredible reaction skills to get such a crystal clear photo probably 1 second after the car passed him/her.
Only in all the videos I've seen of the incident I didnt see that black guy flying in mid air.

Another photo. Actually a still from a cell phone video.
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Its the same guy sitting on the hood of the Toyota pickup.
He must have jumped up there.
Only thing is this still is taken about 5 seconds from the time of the photo of him in mid air.
He must have got hit, flew over the entire car, landed with broken leg, them immediately ran and jumped on the hood of that pickup within seconds.
Incredible reaction time. Incredible period.

Here he is the next day, back on the scene. With a heavily bandaged right leg.
Wearing a T-Shirt of the person who died there that says, " If youre not outraged youre not paying attention".
Boy oh boy they got those T'Shirts printed up fast.
Got a photo of the victim. Thought up a slogan. ordered the shirts, and had them printed in less than 24 hours.
Incredibe.
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And CNN found him. Here he is talking to CNN the next day.
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meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Video.


Thats raw cell phone video. Hard to argue with that.
A car definitely plowed into the crowd.

License plate GVF 1111

Almost like his mothers
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So where is Heather Heyer then, if not dead and buried?

Oh I have no Idea. I guess dead right? That's what CNN said so it must be true
I dont see here in any videos or photos but maybe some exist.
I only spent about 20 minutes on this and don't plan on spending any more.
I
 
So where is Heather Heyer then, if not dead and buried?
Somewhere in the US with the actors who participated to the Sandy Hook hoax and the kids who were raped at Comet Pizza...
:chickendance:
 
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