Well, I got better,
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Well, I got better,
In all fairness, I would say its a pretty savvy strategy to have campaign advisors that worked for Bush. I mean, they did get him elected the maximum number of allowable years in the office of the Presidency, and he's the Devil himself, according to your lot.
No, but he used to play one on TV.
There are no real conservatives anymore, at least at the Federal level. Its disgusting, frankly. Spend, spend, spend, try to get (re)elected, such is American politics.
EDIT: And if people actually do end up remembering how much you've spent while in office, spend A LOT on your campaign, and help make them forget that inconvenient fact.
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I'm not really sure. I don't spend my waking hours finding appropriate ways to label former Presidents. A limited government statist, I suppose. Or maybe a Right-wing authoritarian?
What does it really matter? I mean, I know you're trying to make the point that those who supported Reagan/Bush/Bush aren't allowed call themselves conservatives and whatnot, but isn't it possible that those people are, in reality, conservatives and simply supported a political figure that was closest to them on the scale because the opposition was even less palatable, while still disagreeing with a wide range of their policies and actions while in office?
I just don't understand the head-banging here... It just seems like a bunch of name-calling, and reverse name-calling (i.e. If you supported candidate "x," you may not call yourself "y."). Its just small scale political, partisan -- or anti-partisan as it were -- bickering.
I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I posted this:
in this very thread, like an hour ago. Relax.
And for clarity, I don't consider any Republican spendthrifts, past or present, to be an exception to that statement.
xfire
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So why all of the Obama hate from the right wing? That's what really pisses me off the most, people that call themselves conservatives know that the candidates they regularly vote for are as liberal, if not more so than any given Democratic candidate and they still push the same empty rhetoric.
I understand completely. Its the devolution of the American political system. Its red tie vs. blue tie. Its not about politics, its about winning elections, and the way that is done these days is vehemently discrediting one's opponent while at the same time having the "cleaning crews" from "Men in Black" erase all the common sense and short term memory of one's potential voting pool. Convincing people that you aren't actually who you are is one of the major keys to political campaigning and political winning. And, as stupid as people are, is it that hard to believe that what gets fettered out to them doesn't get filtered before it gets parroted back?
A cultural change needs to occur to remedy these problems, and on the horizon, it is not. Tough times. The system is broken.
*Sorry for the cheesy "Men in Black" reference, but it was all I could come up with.
xfire
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Then you get people like Samantha Fisher that actually believes the spin. What's the real motivation here? Relentless pursuit of power for the sake of power. You end up with 35% top marginal rates, the rich get richer and to hell with the rest of us. And the MIB cleaning crews isn't a bad analogy. They just come on Swift Boats, or something.
Sure enough. But this phenomenon is far from party-specific. Both sides of the aisle try to maintain power and generate wealth/security for themselves above all else, and if there's time left in the day, maybe they name a national park or a post office. American politics is about securing a job, and keeping that job (or moving up to a better job but essentially having the same job) and the best way to do that is to do as little as possible.
xfire
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That the top marginal income tax rate is 35% is obscene, bordering on criminal. When the top rate was higher we accomplished more as a nation than any other country has at any time in history. Why the fuck wouldn't everyone want that back?
*On Edit- It speaks to the power of capitalism that we accomplished more as a nation than any other country has at any time in history that we were able to collect that kind of tax revenue.
*On Edit- It speaks to the power of capitalism that we accomplished more as a nation than any other country has at any time in history that we were able to collect that kind of tax revenue.
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Sam Fisher
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Let's not forget, when the tax rate was high as xfire has shown, the country at that time lead the world in manufacturing and in exports. Other countries production was shit compared to ours. Look how many auto companies thee were back then. Now, there are what, three? We were producing steel like it was going out of style. And homes couldn't be built fast enough for the returning GI's from WWII.
But now, it's a whole 'nuther ball game. Japan, Korea, Europe all produce and export their products around the world... especially their cars and trucks.
So to say that by raising the taxes again to what they were in the 1950s and 1960's that we will once again be a BOOMING Manufacturing Goliath, just isn't true. Today, there is too much competition in the market place.
At least those are my thoughts. I could be wrong. Probably am. I am not an economist.
But now, it's a whole 'nuther ball game. Japan, Korea, Europe all produce and export their products around the world... especially their cars and trucks.
So to say that by raising the taxes again to what they were in the 1950s and 1960's that we will once again be a BOOMING Manufacturing Goliath, just isn't true. Today, there is too much competition in the market place.
At least those are my thoughts. I could be wrong. Probably am. I am not an economist.
Capitalism is as natural as breathing. It's been in humanity's blood since the idea of exchanging goods and services began. What isn't is socialism and the weird need by leftists to embark on failed socio-economic experiments bent of destroying capitalism.
The idea of fiscal economic justice is the left's way of crying foul when one has more than another.
The idea of fiscal economic justice is the left's way of crying foul when one has more than another.
xfire
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Please explain the booming economy of the fifties and sixties when the top marginal tax rates fluctuated between 70%-92%.
Sam Fisher
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xfire
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No, you really didn't explain anything. You took a stab in the dark and admitted you were probably wrong. Fact of the matter is that tax rates are among the lowest in history and our economy sucks. Supply-side has been proven wrong. You want to talk about experiments that failed and destroyed capitalism it's the embodiment of the current GOP.
We were the manufacturing giant during that time period. We exported more than we imported.
Our workers back then didn't have to compete with anyone internationally.
After the Cold War the barriers came down, and the flood of global workers came into the mainstream. In 1989 there were perhaps 500 million workers globally. Today there are over 2 billion. We outsource everything now to places where labor costs are cheaper in order to keep the product cost low.
Those days of us being king are gone unless the Cold War like barriers go back up.
P.S. the Democrats/Socialists are poison to business. Just news of the French Socialist Hollande winning in France sent Euro markets into a tailspin. Once he gets in watch spending and debt soar.
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