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jayjay8899

jayjay8899

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

That's interesting shoryuken, not many people in these forums take the time to discuss these things. I personally think you are on to a part of the situation...and I have thought a lot about it too. But Carmen was close to having her own site a 18 months ago. It was via CWH as Giselle's is now...there was a domain and the beginnings of a site, but then it all went haywire and the excuse put forward was that the guy who owned the domain name left CWH and took it. Of course this excuse always sounded lame, but C did discuss new sites in one or two of her chats last March or so and then it all just fizzled out and she announced it was put off for the time being. From all this I assumed that possibly the relationship between CWH and C had broken down in some way, but a year later and she is still on the site, so they continue to work together. They obviously know she is their star...and she knows. Just look at what is charged for her in the private or VIP chats. And in the forum her threads get far more hits than any of the other 50 or so models, including the popular Giselle.
So, I agree in part with your scenario, but possibly rather than 'anonymity', I suspect C is just as not as motivated as, say Giselle. She seems content with the sucess she has and the revenue she receives from it. I agree not all models on the internet necessarily want to be an international success or a 'household' name. Maybe it's just a job and it pays the bills...and when not on the chats, they are content to lead a normal life. As you say, just another 2 cents...but because of her huge popularity, the questions remain.
And I remain a huge fan...........
 
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newp

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

shoryuken said:
Wow, great vid! Better see it before the CWH police take it down. They work at lightning speed.

Some people earlier in the thread were questioning why Carmen was not a huge internet star, and I have a theory as to why not - she doesn't want to be one. Many girls do webcam shows and only webcam shows because they don't want their friends and family to know what they do. If they started doing professional shoots, getting into mags and other sites, and opening their own site, they would risk exposure. Webcam shows pose a smaller risk of fame, and you can get away with hiding your face (as Carmen often does), which would definitely not be allowed for glamour shoots. CWH probably realizes Carmen's full potential, and no doubt other, bigger players in the industry have approached her, but I think she's content to lay low as a cam girl while still raking it in. Just my 2 cents.
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who knows. she isn't on cam as much as she use to be. you still see her every so often but there were nights when she'd be on and people would complain about not clicking fast enough to cam with her.
 
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great1nitin

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

Carmen:I have 4 videos of this beautiful lady topless, half-naked and full frontal nude. She got good sweet n juicy strawberry down there...Lovely...lol.

Anyways so far on mission i got Topless shots(handsfree). Mia ciara (that's right),Nicole,Kylie,Hollie,Gisele,Amber,Erika,Dahlia. Took me 6 hours to get them and i can date satan happily now ;). It's unfortunate FO doesn't allow sharing. And that Mr.Pimp of CWH is watching threads. I don't want him to get hold of those sites & he gets them deleted. Don't PM me request i cba to reply :(
 
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shoryuken

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

jayjay8899 said:
That's interesting shoryuken, not many people in these forums take the time to discuss these things. I personally think you are on to a part of the situation...and I have thought a lot about it too. But Carmen was close to having her own site a 18 months ago. It was via CWH as Giselle's is now...there was a domain and the beginnings of a site, but then it all went haywire and the excuse put forward was that the guy who owned the domain name left CWH and took it. Of course this excuse always sounded lame, but C did discuss new sites in one or two of her chats last March or so and then it all just fizzled out and she announced it was put off for the time being. From all this I assumed that possibly the relationship between CWH and C had broken down in some way, but a year later and she is still on the site, so they continue to work together. They obviously know she is their star...and she knows. Just look at what is charged for her in the private or VIP chats. And in the forum her threads get far more hits than any of the other 50 or so models, including the popular Giselle.
So, I agree in part with your scenario, but possibly rather than 'anonymity', I suspect C is just as not as motivated as, say Giselle. She seems content with the sucess she has and the revenue she receives from it. I agree not all models on the internet necessarily want to be an international success or a 'household' name. Maybe it's just a job and it pays the bills...and when not on the chats, they are content to lead a normal life. As you say, just another 2 cents...but because of her huge popularity, the questions remain.
And I remain a huge fan...........
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Jayjay, you're right - my theory doesn't fully explain all the promising false starts C has had - her own website, coverage in Zoo magazine, numerous CWH promos, etc. I also agree with you that motivation has probably been a key factor in the path's she taken. But both our theories point in the same direction - that C is not a huge star because she wants it that way. I don't buy the speculation that CWH has been keeping her down. Surely they haven't helped - they would lose their cash cow if C took off in a big way. The bottom line, though, is that she could have quite the career if she wanted to, with or without CWH's help.

As to why she's been appearing less and less could have any number of explanations. Perhaps she truly is motivated - to be something else, like a nurse (mmmm...nurse carmen).

I guess we'll never know the full story unless we sat C down for an interview, but it's an interesting and puzzling situation nonetheless. I'm just glad others have made the efforts to capture and distribute this goddess's shows for us poor folk who can't afford the member chats, let alone VIP. (Which begs the question - why doesn't CWH sell her shows after the fact at a cheaper price for the masses? Yeah, you'd lose some people that would've paid for the live show, but I have to imagine the increase in volume would easily offset that.)
 
jayjay8899

jayjay8899

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

Yeah, I agree there is no way CWH would be limiting her in any way...as you say, she is their 'cashbabe'...for several months she did no shows at CWH, but had transferred entirely to NNC and NAC sites. I had hoped then that maybe it represented a transition which would lead to her being somewhere else, but now that she is officially back on CWH, it looks like we are back to square one.

About her: aside from her exotic latina beauty and drop-dead gorgeous body and boobs, the thing that continues to appeal to me [and the reason that I even still go for her NNchats is her sweetness and charm. There is a strange naive sense to her even when she is stripping...its a funny thing. Few models possess it...and I think it is one of the reasons she continues to be so popular. It's the 'girl nextdoor' thing...I guess. She is just so lovely............
 
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ignatiushoratio

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

shoryuken said:
CWH probably realizes Carmen's full potential, and no doubt other, bigger players in the industry have approached her, but I think she's content to lay low as a cam girl while still raking it in.
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I imagine it also has something to do with the breakdown in the relationship between CWH's two main people (see below). Plus, in order to work with the bigger players like Nuts magazine, she would have to travel and she has already stated that she's petrified of flying (assuming it's authentic, her ModelMahem profile indicates an unwillingness to leave her home state).


jayjay8899 said:
Carmen was close to having her own site 18 months ago. It was via CWH as Giselle's is now...there was a domain and the beginnings of a site, but then it all went haywire and the excuse put forward was that the guy who owned the domain name left CWH and took it.
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The guy in question is in fact Abbie Sadek and she was a co-owner of CWH. As best I can tell she was responsible for running the site and, well, managing the talent. A lot of the girls speak very fondly of her and joined CWH on the back of a certain level of trust and empathy she brought to the business. But her relationship with the other co-owner, Steve, soured which led her to part company with CWH and start afresh. As Carmen's site redirects to Abbie's new venture, one can only assume (a) she registered the domain in her name while at CWH, or (b) she received the domain when she departed, and as she's no longer affiliated with CWH she's unlikely to develop a site for someone who isn't in her employ.


jayjay8899 said:
From all this I assumed that possibly the relationship between CWH and C had broken down in some way, but a year later and she is still on the site, so they continue to work together.
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It's plausible the relationship between CWH and some its girls broke down -
Abbie blogged about financial improprieties (that affected the girls) and stated that CWH was under IRS investigation. But its also possible Carmen took a break, concentrated on her day job, suffered health problems or had a life like everyone else.


shoryuken said:
Jayjay, you're right - my theory doesn't fully explain all the promising false starts C has had - her own website, coverage in Zoo magazine, numerous CWH promos, etc.
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I think you'll find all these 'false starts' were thought of and organized by Abbie and, as she's no longer with CWH, there's no impetus to follow through on them.



shoryuken said:
I also agree with you that motivation has probably been a key factor in the path's she taken. But both our theories point in the same direction - that C is not a huge star because she wants it that way... The bottom line, though, is that she could have quite the career if she wanted to, with or without CWH's help. As to why she's been appearing less and less could have any number of explanations. Perhaps she truly is motivated - to be something else, like a nurse (mmmm...nurse carmen).
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Since we're going with theories:

(1) This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone but the girls' ages on the website aren't exactly accurate. I know one girl who is more than thirty years old yet listed as being in her mid twenties - which is about the same age I think Carmen is (and not twenty two). So she might be outgrowing the cam work, tiring of having done it for so long, or the below point might be of some relevance.

(2) There are photos of her with a ring on her wedding finger. Easy to mistake and it might mean nothing at all, but she might also have other influences and considerations that are more deserving of her attention - or deserving of less of ours.


shoryuken said:
I guess we'll never know the full story unless we sat C down for an interview, but it's an interesting and puzzling situation nonetheless.
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Would be interesting if she did an interview or something biographical - in particular, how one of the most lusted after females on the internet has managed to remain largely anonymous, what the impact has been on her normal life (she commented on being recognized in public) and her impression of what has effectively been one of the successful and profitable aspects of commerce on the internet a la Belle du Jour.
 
jayjay8899

jayjay8899

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

Well...! Thanks for all that info Ignat. I didn't know of this other partner, and had not heard of her new site. So that's useful in itself, but I am surprised some of the girls at CWH did not go with her.
Ages of course are often incorrect, but I remember Carmen talking about her 21st, what she did for it etc, so I think she probably is in fact 22. She started in Dec 05 with CWH and I think she was 19 then.
Your comments on her private life are relevant of course. I often wonder what a girl like her does with the rest of her life...do her friends know how she makes her money, does she have boyfriends? etc etc. I can't imagine she would be married...what guy would permit her to continue with the camshows? It must be a bit of a strange life...as you say,
'Une vie du Belle du Jour'.........
I personally never thought of the promo work she did for the various sites like Kontraband and Nuts as false starts, but they obvously lead to much more exposure than just CWH. I never even looked seriously at a cam site before Carmen came along. So it seemed that all that exposure would lead to her own site...which was meant to happen.
Well, thanks for all that news...just shows if a few guys actually discuss a babe in detail, lots of info comes forward...........thanks!
 
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shoryuken

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Wow, Ignatius, you're truly a good investigative reporter - you even cite your sources! Thanks for all the info.

That's interesting that the "false starts" were actually orchestrated by CWH. That means these weren't attempts by Carmen to launch a bigger career, but really just promos for CWH and sister sites. This is further evidence that C has no or little interest in a larger career in the glamour/adult industry.

So whatever the reason or reasons C may have - fear of exposure, motivation, soured professional relationships, possible husband or even kids - it seems safe to say she is not interested in a big career. Which is a shame for us because we'd like to have as much Carmen as possible. But I'm not complaining - I'm more than happy with what I've already got.

And, if I proposed to C and she said yes only if I allowed her to continue her shows, I'd ask her where she wants me to set up the cam and lighting.
 
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ignatiushoratio

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

jayjay8899 said:
I didn't know of this other partner, and had not heard of her new site.
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I don't know who was responsible for what but Abbie was certainly more prominent on the CWH forums and in the public domain. For example, venture back to the early pages of this thread and you'll see she participated here. And this thread is rather amusing too...


jayjay8899 said:
So that's useful in itself, but I am surprised some of the girls at CWH did not go with her.
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I suspect some of them tried. She commented on non-compete clauses as they relate to cam models and then took a veiled swipe at other webmasters so its possible. And, again, if we're going with theories, it could be yet another reason why Carmen isn't around as much nowadays - rather than do anything that could bring about legal consequences, she might be waiting until her (unenforceable) non-compete clause expires before moving over to Abbie's site.


jayjay8899 said:
I often wonder what a girl like her does with the rest of her life...do her friends know how she makes her money, does she have boyfriends? etc etc.
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Does she have boyfriends? Is the Pope Catholic? ;)

Given that she has commented on her some of her sexual exploits and preferences with guys then I think it's safe to say she has enjoyed some sort of involvement with the opposite sex. And she has also commented on being identified when out in public with friends, so I'm guessing they also know.


jayjay8899 said:
I can't imagine she would be married...what guy would permit her to continue with the camshows? It must be a bit of a strange life...as you say, 'Une vie du Belle du Jour'.........
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Hence the interview/biographical piece.
 
jayjay8899

jayjay8899

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

Thanks for the link cyclingtheam...and Shoryuken you raise a very good point...on second thought I'll help with the lighting!
 
jayjay8899

jayjay8899

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

Ignat...the legal thread with Abby's comments don't show her in a good light. OK, she/CWH were trying to protect their interests but in a pretty pathetic, assinine way...
shows a different side of her whereas in her blog talk, she sounds quite reasonable
and having integrity.
When I ask myself questions like does C have boyfriends, these are simplistic questions... I am not naive, she is young, attractive but the question remains: what does a girl who shows her bod off on the net say to a guy she has met when he asks what she does for a living. I am sure there are a thousand answers, but the complication is there...the duplicity is there etc. Of course these are small questions for me and my interest in her is primarily visual/visceral...it's just idle speculation. Anyway these are good exchanges.

On another topic: I've seen a vid of C recently where her personality is different than on all the others...normally she is pretty silent on the private chats, she says hi and thanks guys for their compliments and sometimes answers specific questions. But in this one chat she was much more vocal: 'Hope you like 'em guys, are they big enough for you?' and lots of ooough and ahhhhs and 'oh yeahs...' and lots of giggling. It struck me because I just had never heard her say any of those things before...and I liked it..! It was like she had become more relaxed and was letting more expression come through [or of course just knowing more of what guys like to hear!] Anybody else hear her talk like this in a chat?
 
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OneMore1Diot

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

This has all been very interesting the last few pages. I have never been in one of her "chats", so please excuse me if this is a moronic question. People have shared her videos and pics but has anyone ever shared her chat transcripts? Or does she only respond to what people type vocally?
 
ItsMr.Santiago

ItsMr.Santiago

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Re: carmen of camwithher.com

ignatiushoratio said:
I don't know who was responsible for what but Abbie was certainly more prominent on the CWH forums and in the public domain. For example, venture back to the early pages of this thread and you'll see she participated here. And this thread is rather amusing too...




I suspect some of them tried. She commented on non-compete clauses as they relate to cam models and then took a veiled swipe at other webmasters so its possible. And, again, if we're going with theories, it could be yet another reason why Carmen isn't around as much nowadays - rather than do anything that could bring about legal consequences, she might be waiting until her (unenforceable) non-compete clause expires before moving over to Abbie's site.




Does she have boyfriends? Is the Pope Catholic? ;)

Given that she has commented on her some of her sexual exploits and preferences with guys then I think it's safe to say she has enjoyed some sort of involvement with the opposite sex. And she has also commented on being identified when out in public with friends, so I'm guessing they also know.




Hence the interview/biographical piece.
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She's engaged because i know the dude she go with and plus i got pictures of them together but she engaged.
I use to Mess with one of her friend's.
 
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shoryuken

Re: carmen of camwithher.com

Damn...the vid's already been taken down. Somebody checks this thread daily. Vid posters need to find a foreign site where they don't care about no stinkin' take-down notices. I've never seen a site protect their content so zealously, it's like they hired scientologists. And it's futile. You have content that's in very high demand - you can find it easily if you know your way around the internet and Google. I'm still at a loss as to why they don't just sell the damn shows.

As for the non-compete clauses, I don't think they're holding back any girl from jumping ship. First, I'm very surprised these girls would even be under contract. Even if they were, non-compete clauses are notoriously difficult to enforce. And in the rare situations they are enforced, usually some fee is payed to the plaintiff, which is almost always paid by the company that poached the employee anyway, not by the employee herself (whose pockets are deeper?). Do the cam girls know this? Probably not. But from what I gather about Abbie, she would, and would have probably persuaded some girls to leave with a promise of indemnification. And, oh yeah, you may have guessed I'm a lawyer.
 
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