Butt Out government dick- tators

[Facetious]

Landmark tobacco regulation legislation cleared Congress on Friday, granting the Food and Drug Administration unprecedented authority over the marketing of cigarettes with a mandate to improve health warnings and curb teenage smoking.

The final 307-97 House vote followed Thursday’s 79-17 roll call in the Senate, and President Barack Obama has promised to quickly sign the measure into law.

The action reflects a dramatic shift in public opinion against the once powerful industry, which successfully held back the waters
under Republican rule but has seemed overwhelmed since Democrats regained control of Washington last November.

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What's your vice ?

Well, if it's tobacco, the government is about to pull one over on you as they have decided to eventually limit nicotine levels by as much as 50 %.
Knowing the behavior of smokers, you can bet that they'll be lighting up 50 % more to make up for what was lost. Isn't this going to further damage the delicate balance of the eco system ? :shocked:

We are truly a nation run by morons ! Megalomaniacal and dictatorial morons at that. :helpme::crash::ban::throwup::flame:

 

[Facial_King]

Re: Butt Out government dick- tators ! Fuck You and your rights seizing schemes

What about my RIGHT to get lung cancer and die a miserable death???!!!!!!!

 

[Philbert]

I fooled 'em...I quit smoking; and I'm gonna make every effort to deny every cent I can to the govt boys.

 

[foxycougar]

I think it can only be expected since all other drugs (yes, nicotine is a drug) and alcohol are regulated by the FDA. It was only a matter of time that this change would be made.

 

[Hot Mega]

I think it can only be expected since all other drugs (yes, nicotine is a drug) and alcohol are regulated by the FDA. It was only a matter of time that this change would be made.

Tobacco was already regulated. The difference here is they government is now telling them how their product will be manufactured.

The government doesn't do this with alcohol.

 

[Facial_King]

Tobacco was already regulated. The difference here is they government is now telling them how their product will be manufactured.

The government doesn't do this with alcohol.

Oh, I don't think that's true, Hot Mega. An alcohol company can't put lighter fluid in a bottle and market it.

Also, there are plenty of restrictions on alcohol, like Everclear:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol)

 

[foxycougar]

Tobacco was already regulated. The difference here is they government is now telling them how their product will be manufactured.

The government doesn't do this with alcohol.

The difference is that tobacco was regulated by the Department of Agriculture as a cash crop instead of a drug. That's a huge difference.

The government does do this with alcohol. Currently, there aren't any restrictions on the types and amounts of chemicals in cigarettes. The content of alcohol is strictly regulated and can not exceed a certain percentage.

 

[georges]

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What's your vice ?

Well, if it's tobacco, the government is about to pull one over on you as they have decided to eventually limit nicotine levels by as much as 50 %.
Knowing the behavior of smokers, you can bet that they'll be lighting up 50 % more to make up for what was lost. Isn't this going to further damage the delicate balance of the eco system ? :shocked:

We are truly a nation run by morons ! Megalomaniacal and dictatorial morons at that. :helpme::crash::ban::throwup::flame:

You can thank voters and the Obamamania for having elected Obama as president.

 

[busenbust]

It's the bloody morons who take the money and run who should be shot...and they've always got an excuse - Capitalism?? Yeah, right: read as Theft

 

[titsrock]

Big Tobacco has nobody to blame but themselves for this. They purposely marketed their products to kids/teens. They would simply disregard any regulation or buy off Republicans. Those days appear to finally be over.

Retailers who sell cigs to minors and celeb glory mags need to be put on notice too.

I don't see where this bill outlaws cigs....

 

[Hot Mega]

The difference is that tobacco was regulated by the Department of Agriculture as a cash crop instead of a drug. That's a huge difference.

The government does do this with alcohol. Currently, there aren't any restrictions on the types and amounts of chemicals in cigarettes. The content of alcohol is strictly regulated and can not exceed a certain percentage.

That's a huge difference.

Isn't that my point?

Also, it depends on what you consider "strictly regulated" in terms of alcohol content. Certainly the FDA wouldn't be doing their job if they allowed products in the marketplace which could cause acute poisoning with normal use.

But even without reading the specific regulation, at what point is ETH Alcohol "percentage" regulated?? Rectified spirits may be purchased in the US and they can be as high as 96% abv. Not much content regulation if you ask me. From what I know, alcohol is largely regulate for tax and labeling purposes not strength.

There are prima facie regulations on the amounts and types of chemicals products like cigarettes may contain. Under strict product liability law if you sold a product like cigarettes with levels of chemicals known to cause acute poisoning and death you would most certainly be held liable criminally and civilly. :2 cents:

 

[feller469]

Meanwhile, Orren Hatch has his Utah-based "herbal" companies cranking out all the diet pills they can while the FDA does nothing. Then again, wasn't Vioxx approved by the FDA?

 

[D-rock]

Another problem is that there isn't an adult person under about 70 years old that can legitimately claim they had no idea that cigarettes were really bad for them before they first took them. If your started smoking in the 40s or 50s maybe you have a case about the tobacco industry making money off of a product the general public didn't know was that bad. Anybody after that doesn't really have a case in my opinion. Anybody with even a shred of common sense could tell how bad they were for you since then. Since people that aren't adults aren't allowed to legally buy them, that just pretty much means the government wants to become closer to a nanny state and tell you what you should put into your body or how you should use something.

Smoking cigarettes is stupid, but people should be allowed to make stupid decisions if doesn't directly effect anybody else. As far as underage smokers, the final blame for underage people smoking against the law is on underage smokers themselves, their parents, and they people who sold them if they knowingly sold them to underage people. Ultimately the tobacco industry can't be blamed for that either. They never had a mind control ray pointed at underage people.

 

[Facetious]

Big Tobacco has nobody to blame but themselves for this. They purposely marketed their products to kids/teens. They would simply disregard any regulation or buy off Republicans. Those days appear to finally be over.

Oh, brother are you serious ?

Retailers who sell cigs to minors and celeb glory mags need to be put on notice too

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C'mon, you know better that there are already laws on the books for this. As for the cruddy hollywood glitzy mags, 'haven't opened one in over 10 years.

I don't see where this bill outlaws cigs....

Me neither . . but . .
They do have the power to reduce nicotine levels by 0 - 40 - 50 or greater percentage.

If the gov. did force big tobacco to reduce nico levels by some 50% overnite, how do you think that would play out ?

I think that smokers will be lighting up more frequently (maybe twice as much).
This just makes for a greater number of cigarette butts in the city streets, not to mention the increased amount of smog in our atmosphere.

As said earlier - smokers will essentially have to smoke more units in order to get that feeling -
• Is that healthier ? NO !
• Will big tobacco make better profits and sales than previous ? Yes
• Will the govt. capitalize in the reception of twice (or near twice) the tax revenues because people will smoke more ?

If you thoroughly review the likely effect(s) of nico reduction, you'll tend to find that "big tobacco" will still be "big tobacco", just all the more stingier and ruthless after being coerced into manufacturing a 1/2 potency cigarette with the same amount of burn content as the former regular cigs.

And all over again, the Tobacco entity will be regulated for what particular reason ? Follow the money as usual.


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