Bush's Legacy

[georges]

It could have been worse so would I be you, I would stop complaining.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

A dirty bomb in Manhattan goes off, and you will be singing a different tune. Frankly I don't care what Africans think about our new prez, I care about our first-world country, America, and a standard of life we Americans are entitled to. I just see that all going down hill. Shit, try finding a decent job today. It will not be very easy.

It might not be easy, but if you think America is just going to lay down and give up you should get out of the country. America has bounced back from troubled times before, it will do so again. End of story. If you have no faith in your country, you should leave. :hatsoff:

 

[billyguy1977]

I think were screwed no matter who's in office. America isn't what it used to be.

 

[Dawn]

So, all you ultra-left-wingers should know that Bush was an old school liberal, spending until there was no tomorrow. What a chimp! He single-handedly ruined America. Congratulations Jorge! I'd venture to say this chimp was more left-leaning than Bill Clinton. What a country....

What's the reasoning there? A left-leaning administration would never had spend the money the way GWB did. Yet, i fail to see in which left-leaning significant area he spent a single penny. Neither any old school liberal area... :dunno:

I just saw the sad reality that regardless of political ideologies, anyone can be an idiot with the State money.

It's pathetic to spin things around to ooze some anti-leftish propaganda. :1orglaugh

 

[Jagger69]

George W. Bush is basically a decent man and a patriot....he meant to do good. Beyond that, as president, he was a deluded, closed-minded and stubborn man who rarely displayed intellect but rather relied on his instincts and emotions to guide his decision-making processes. I believe that history will ultimately portray him in exactly this light.

 

[No_Man]

A dirty bomb in Manhattan goes off, and you will be singing a different tune. Frankly I don't care what Africans think about our new prez, I care about our first-world country, America, and a standard of life we Americans are entitled to. I just see that all going down hill. Shit, try finding a decent job today. It will not be very easy.

I'm no fan of Bush, but I think the fact that a dirty bomb didn't go off in Manhattan should count for something. If nothing else good comes from it (and nothing might), Bush's legacy must include the 7 years of domestic security following 9/11. Maybe U.S. soil won't get attacked again for 100 years and those 7 years will be forgotten, but for me, right now, they matter a lot.

So, W., for successfully giving us 7 years without a terrorist attack... :hatsoff:

And for everything else... :thefinger

 

[Jagger69]

I care about our first-world country, America, and a standard of life we Americans are entitled to.

Dude, as Americans, we aren't "entitled" to anything. Whatever benefits we enjoy as American citizens need to be earned. We've earned them in the past and need to continue to earn them now and every day in the future....but we aren't entitled to them by any means.

Comments like that are what make the rest of the world despise us. Perhaps you didn't really mean it the way it sounds....???

 

[Larry Love]

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/bush_legacy_part_two/2009/01/20/173445.html?s=al&promo_code=7826-1

So, all you ultra-left-wingers should know that Bush was an old school liberal, spending until there was no tomorrow. What a chimp! He single-handedly ruined America. Congratulations Jorge! I'd venture to say this chimp was more left-leaning than Bill Clinton. What a country....

So now George Bush is a leftist? Geez.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Dude, as Americans, we aren't "entitled" to anything. Whatever benefits we enjoy as American citizens need to be earned. We've earned them in the past and need to continue to earn them now and every day in the future....but we aren't entitled to them by any means.

Comments like that are what make the rest of the world despise us. Perhaps you didn't really mean it the way it sounds....???

Actually, living in a first-world country that my ancestors helped create, and seeing this fiasco happening that we are all in debt over 30k+, I would say I have a damned legitimate right to be pissed. The elites will not be happy until we are all slaves. Come on man..

 

[Jagger69]

Actually, living in a first-world country that my ancestors helped create, and seeing this fiasco happening that we are all in debt over 30k+, I would say I have a damned legitimate right to be pissed. The elites will not be happy until we are all slaves. Come on man..

Your response has no relevance to my comment that I can discern.

 

[amanda_pk]

George W. Bush is basically a decent man and a patriot....he meant to do good. Beyond that, as president, he was a deluded, closed-minded and stubborn man who rarely displayed intellect but rather relied on his instincts and emotions to guide his decision-making processes. I believe that history will ultimately portray him in exactly this light.

We are still too close to the scene to properly assess how history will look at George W. Bush.

Richard Nixon is example #1. 30+ years changes everything.

 

[om3ga]

He was Chancellor ie controlled the public purse for all the years before he became PM.He had a very large influence on all money matters including the introduction of tuition fees.
The debts are partly those he incurred while Chancellor plus those recent ones (banks etc) and also from relaxing banking rules and encouraging borrowing.

I haven't forgotten Gordo's & Bliar's raid on our pensions, when they took charge (daylight robbery of £ 5 BILLION of OUR cash, I believe).

Sad thing is, I can't stand David Shameron either - he reminds me of Tony Bliar....

 

[Member2019]

Remember, when Republicans increase educational spending, the media says the opposite

What's the reasoning there? A left-leaning administration would never had spend the money the way GWB did. Yet, i fail to see in which left-leaning significant area he spent a single penny. Neither any old school liberal area... :dunno:

Ummm, welfare, unemployment benefits and, massively, educational increases were rampant in the first W. term, well before Iraq.

Some were due to the poor state of the economy when he took over, especially the layoffs in Q1 and Q2 of 2001 that were not his doing. Additional costs were after 9/11 in the economic aftershocks (easily measured in the trillions beyond the immediate $400B impact). So he really didn't have a choice in those. Gore would have done the same. It was the "leftovers" of the shitty state of the economy that Clinton left it in (despite the surplus of $200B in 2000, the predicted 2001 budget was a massive deficit increase) -- although it wasn't half has bad as Obama is getting, I'll fully admit.

But when it came to education, Africa and other, social programs, those were direct promises by W. which he committed to. The problem is that the US media and, therefore, the International media will misreport the actual spending on education, among other things, when a Republican is in the White House. This only causes Republicans to capitulate and spend even more. As an American Libertarian-Capitalist, it drives me bonkers when Republicans do this. They often keep trying to "appease the left-leaning US media" by handing out more entitlements.

The Republican Congress and Clinton Presidency actually cut entitlements from 1995-1998. The only way the Republicans were able to do that is because a Democrat was President, especially Clinton. Clinton was great for saying one thing, but doing the right thing -- or better yet, saying what people wanted to hear, but knowing there was no chance in hell anything would pass in Congress. Kyoto was a perfect example, with no Democrat Senators (his own party) voting for it (shot down 0-98-2). Clinton was not for Kyoto at all, but he signed it for PR, knowing full well it wouldn't pass. He didn't even bother to lobby one of his own Senators to vote for it (which is why demonizations of W. regarding Kyoto are rhetoric, not reality).

I just saw the sad reality that regardless of political ideologies, anyone can be an idiot with the State money.
It's pathetic to spin things around to ooze some anti-leftish propaganda. :1orglaugh

Unfortunately, because the Republicans are more right-leaning, and the US is already very right-leaning versus its own media, let alone the rest of the world, the Republicans tend to get "tugged" left. It's what pisses us Libertarian-Capitalists off the most about Republicans.

I really cannot stand "bleeding heart" media. Unfortunately, W. gave into it while not scoring any points. Now that was before the Iraq war. With the Iraq war, it became ultra-pork spending. America voted in a new Congress in 2006.

But when that new, Democrat Congress took over, they pulled the same "give me pork so I'll support the war" non-sense the Republicans did to their own W. As a result, the approval ratings of the US Congress fell lower than W.! Ironically, the American public is far more in-touch with reality than the media and the politicians. They knew what was coming well before they would admit.

Sadly though, we still have a good 25% of the US population that listens to the out-of-touch, bleeding heart media and they "keep up with the Jones," which is costing us -- the middle class and small business owners -- for their mistakes. No one is to blame for that. In fact, a lot of this started in the '70s and only got progressively worse in the '80s, '90s and this decade. How people solely blame W. for SUVs and outsourcing is laughable. Hell, even Gore has major oil ties (and most of his wealth and standard of living is tied to it and his family, hence why he's always paid lip service, but no actual change in his living).

 

[zell]

Bush's legacy is that he was an asshole that he thought he was always right and never could admit that he ever made a mistake.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Re: Remember, when Republicans increase educational spending, the media says the oppo

Ummm, welfare, unemployment benefits and, massively, educational increases were rampant in the first W. term, well before Iraq.

Some were due to the poor state of the economy when he took over, especially the layoffs in Q1 and Q2 of 2001 that were not his doing. Additional costs were after 9/11 in the economic aftershocks (easily measured in the trillions beyond the immediate $400B impact). So he really didn't have a choice in those. Gore would have done the same. It was the "leftovers" of the shitty state of the economy that Clinton left it in (despite the surplus of $200B in 2000, the predicted 2001 budget was a massive deficit increase) -- although it wasn't half has bad as Obama is getting, I'll fully admit.

But when it came to education, Africa and other, social programs, those were direct promises by W. which he committed to. The problem is that the US media and, therefore, the International media will misreport the actual spending on education, among other things, when a Republican is in the White House. This only causes Republicans to capitulate and spend even more. As an American Libertarian-Capitalist, it drives me bonkers when Republicans do this. They often keep trying to "appease the left-leaning US media" by handing out more entitlements.

The Republican Congress and Clinton Presidency actually cut entitlements from 1995-1998. The only way the Republicans were able to do that is because a Democrat was President, especially Clinton. Clinton was great for saying one thing, but doing the right thing -- or better yet, saying what people wanted to hear, but knowing there was no chance in hell anything would pass in Congress. Kyoto was a perfect example, with no Democrat Senators (his own party) voting for it (shot down 0-98-2). Clinton was not for Kyoto at all, but he signed it for PR, knowing full well it wouldn't pass. He didn't even bother to lobby one of his own Senators to vote for it (which is why demonizations of W. regarding Kyoto are rhetoric, not reality).

Unfortunately, because the Republicans are more right-leaning, and the US is already very right-leaning versus its own media, let alone the rest of the world, the Republicans tend to get "tugged" left. It's what pisses us Libertarian-Capitalists off the most about Republicans.

I really cannot stand "bleeding heart" media. Unfortunately, W. gave into it while not scoring any points. Now that was before the Iraq war. With the Iraq war, it became ultra-pork spending. America voted in a new Congress in 2006.

But when that new, Democrat Congress took over, they pulled the same "give me pork so I'll support the war" non-sense the Republicans did to their own W. As a result, the approval ratings of the US Congress fell lower than W.! Ironically, the American public is far more in-touch with reality than the media and the politicians. They knew what was coming well before they would admit.

Sadly though, we still have a good 25% of the US population that listens to the out-of-touch, bleeding heart media and they "keep up with the Jones," which is costing us -- the middle class and small business owners -- for their mistakes. No one is to blame for that. In fact, a lot of this started in the '70s and only got progressively worse in the '80s, '90s and this decade. How people solely blame W. for SUVs and outsourcing is laughable. Hell, even Gore has major oil ties (and most of his wealth and standard of living is tied to it and his family, hence why he's always paid lip service, but no actual change in his living).

Wow, good post. It's pretty much right on all respects.