Buffalo Wild Wings waitress refuses to serve cops.

[meesterperfect]

Virginia has concealed weapons permits. Unless the business has a sign stating no guns, then a citizen with a CW permit has the right to bring their gun. I not sure if alcohol is served if that makes a difference.

yeah but don't you know, now all around the country we have " Gun Free Zones". Meaning your 2nd amendment right is reduced to moot.
Ah, gun free zones. As if a person who is planning on going on a shooting spree is gonna say , " Oh shit, That's a gun free zone, oh forget it.... guess I'll just go home and watch reruns of Joanie Loves Chachi...all 3 of them".

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

yeah but don't you know, now all around the country we have " Gun Free Zones". Meaning your 2nd amendment right is reduced to moot.
Ah, gun free zones. As if a person who is planning on going on a shooting spree is gonna say , " Oh shit, That's a gun free zone, oh forget it.... guess I'll just go home and watch reruns of Joanie Loves Chachi...all 3 of them".

You're acting like that's the only issue though. Guns make people nervous. Keep in mind that on "Gun Appreciation Day" there were no fewer than five accidental shootings at guns shows (and more in private residences), not all of which were self-inflicted.

So it's hard to say the nervousness is baseless.

 

[Philbert]

No, it's not (hard to say). Selective outrage is so obvious and lame, so if you are freaked by fuckin' firearms (when was the last time the world was weaponless? When was the last time the USA had no guns?) stick your head back in the sand or wherever you like to keep it and hum "ain't gonna see no guns no more!"

Hundreds of fatal car wrecks every day, very few gun deaths per million, and all libs can fixate on is the few accidental gun discharges.
Makes me wanna shoot somebody (figuratively speaking, of course.)

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

No, it's not (hard to say). Selective outrage is so obvious and lame, so if you are freaked by fuckin' firearms (when was the last time the world was weaponless? When was the last time the USA had no guns?) stick your head back in the sand or wherever you like to keep it and hum "ain't gonna see no guns no more!"

Well, that was... really kind of pointless. Of course there are guns. Of course there are always going to be guns. They're tools. Useful ones even. Doesn't mean you want to share a Denny's with a bunch of guys who are brandishing them. Don't particularly want people lugging jackhammers or chainsaws into one either, and if the management wants to forbid that, well, that's their choice.

Hundreds of fatal car wrecks every day, very few gun deaths per million, and all libs can fixate on is the few accidental gun discharges.

And how often are cars put to every day use as opposed to guns? That's kind of relevant. We have millions of motorists sharing the road at all times using their cars, are gun owners publicly firing off rounds in each others general direction as often? That's sort of a useful thing to factor into the statistics.

Also useful though is context. Those cars are used to convey people from Point A to Point B. They serve a purpose. And of course, we have rules about where they should and shouldn't be, right? If I drive my car up your lawn you're going to take issue with it. If I drive it into the middle of a mall or restaurant, again, it's going to cause problems. Everything has a place, and the middle of a family restaurant probably isn't the place for a whole lot of things.

Though the most important fact is... if the property owner wants guns out, it's their property, their rules.

 

[otter311]

establishments still have the right to serve to who ever they wish and on a business stand point she did the right thing. very few patrons want to be sitting and drinking with openly displayed firearms. plus once the word goes around that they are cops even fewer are going to want that 3rd beer for fear of a dui. just my thoughts. take em or leave em i couldnt care less

 

[Philbert]

Wow...do you watch Dora, too?
If I was to park my gun in a BWW's parking space that'd be as weird as your ramble about cars in restaurants, since even the sweet Down's Syndrome 12 year old eating in BWW's knows police carry guns...who but some airhead lib thinks that's weird? Don't allow police in your restaurant? Yeah, until someone hears that and the gun toting 'bangers start coming in every night and robbing the place.
Why do you think (did I overstate the obvious? Think?) the restaurant management apologized so fervently? Cause popo keep the shit from hitting the fan with their guns and authority. Anyone upset by eating in a place where there are police also eating is a stupid third grade dropout with a criminal intent somewhere in their heart.
Nowhere in any account did the officers "brandish" their firearms...
I would wave a friendly hi to any police officer I was eating next to, and be glad they were nearby.
The waitress is most likely not a featured server at that BWWs, most likely.
Not to mention a discrimination lawsuit possible if LE were singled out for non service as a matter of policy. LE are REQUIRED to go armed on duty (and off) and most everyone knows this.
And...Not to mention the longer response times to any emergency calls from any establishment who made it clear LE were NOT welcome. And I'd not complain if 'twere so...

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

If I was to park my gun in a BWW's parking space that'd be as weird as your ramble about cars in restaurants, since even the sweet Down's Syndrome 12 year old eating in BWW's knows police carry guns...who but some airhead lib thinks that's weird? Don't allow police in your restaurant? Yeah, until someone hears that and the gun toting 'bangers start coming in every night and robbing the place.

Except of course this ultimately isn't about the police. They weren't kicked out. It caused a stir because they were plainclothes officers and the clientel were ill at ease with seeing people who didn't look like cops carrying guns in a restaurant.

They didn't look like cops. Didn't look like security guards. And they were brandishing weapons in a place where weapons don't exactly belong on the average citizen (as noted by the fact that it's not a shooting range and is a gun free zone).

I would wave a friendly hi to any police officer I was eating next to, and be glad they were nearby.

Except, you know, folks there didn't know they were cops, and unless you're psychic you wouldn't either since they weren't in uniform and didn't walk through the door flashing badges and telling everyone it was okay because they were cops. Their guns were, however, visible to several of the patrons.

Not to mention a discrimination lawsuit possible if LE were singled out for non service as a matter of policy. LE are REQUIRED to go armed on duty (and off) and most everyone knows this.

Except that just about every restaurant has a sign that states that management reserves the right to refuse service, and law enforcement isn't a protected group last I checked. Beyond that, the article itself says that they weren't actually ejected, so it's tough to level a lawsuit.

Did you actually read the article, because it doesn't seem like you did. Your suggestions don't reflect the actual events.

 

[Philbert]

Your posts get sillier and sillier. Waste of time discussing anything with a puzzled slow learner.

 

[bahodeme]

yeah but don't you know, now all around the country we have " Gun Free Zones". Meaning your 2nd amendment right is reduced to moot.
Ah, gun free zones. As if a person who is planning on going on a shooting spree is gonna say , " Oh shit, That's a gun free zone, oh forget it.... guess I'll just go home and watch reruns of Joanie Loves Chachi...all 3 of them".

I just looked at the CW law in Virginia and it states

J3. No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises. A person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of such a restaurant or club and consumes alcoholic beverages is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. However, nothing in this subsection shall apply to a federal, state, or local law-enforcement officer.

So this confirms the last part of my post.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308
Though not the smartest thing to do, but you can in some areas of Virginia carry it in an outside holster.
My one thought is it is to conceal a firearm and still have it accessible. These guys didn't do a very good job of concealing if the patrons noticed.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Your posts get sillier and sillier. Waste of time discussing anything with a puzzled slow learner.

The article provided by Fox News (you know, pro-Second Amendment Fox News?) states the following...

The police were in plainclothes, the patrons did not know they were police.
The cops' firearms were visible.
The restaurant is a "gun free zone", though this rule does not apply to the police (however, again, they were in plainclothes).
The restaurant is allowed to establish their own rules on their own premises.
The waitress talked to the police, they identified themselves as police to the waitress.
The waitress did not eject the police, she consulted with her manager as to what to do about the issue.​

This the scenario the article presents. You're talking about everyone knowing these were police, and those same police being kicked out.

You also made inane comparisons between accident rates of much used vehicles and (comparatively) seldom used weapons, then objected when that comparison was extended beyond itself.

 

[bahodeme]

Except that just about every restaurant has a sign that states that management reserves the right to refuse service, and law enforcement isn't a protected group last I checked. Beyond that, the article itself says that they weren't actually ejected, so it's tough to level a lawsuit.

That's what Denny's thought in the '90's and early '00s. It REALLY caused them trouble when several Secret Service agents stopped at a Denny's outside Andrews AFB and "refused" (everyone received and finished their food except one with no explanation on why it was taken so long) to serve the one agent who was black.
The other problem you now have is, whether off or on duty, the law enforcement community chooses to boycott the establishment. Not just this particular one (which the police chief for that area wants to do), but others as well. It may be the officer or their friends/family may be on a softball team. They choose now to go somewhere else. Other officer is on a hockey team and does the same thing. This particular one is not in a major market (Richmond, Newport News, etc.) so this could hurt them financially, which is why we are on misunderstanding road.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

That's what Denny's thought in the '90's and early '00s. It REALLY caused them trouble when several Secret Service agents stopped at a Denny's outside Andrews AFB and "refused" (everyone received and finished their food except one with no explanation on why it was taken so long) to serve the one agent who was black.

There's an obvious problem in that situation because black people are a protected group. You can't legally use that as a basis for denial of service. In that case there's definitely grounds for a lawsuit.

I'm not 100% that law enforcement aren't a protected group, but if they are I've never seen any indication of it.

The other problem you now have is, whether off or on duty, the law enforcement community chooses to boycott the establishment. Not just this particular one (which the police chief for that area wants to do), but others as well. It may be the officer or their friends/family may be on a softball team. They choose now to go somewhere else. Other officer is on a hockey team and does the same thing. This particular one is not in a major market (Richmond, Newport News, etc.) so this could hurt them financially, which is why we are on misunderstanding road.

Obviously it's a stupid thing to do. You're absolutely correct there. But these establishments do have the right to set their own rules and deny service based on any criteria they chose which are still legal. Even if it's a moronic decision that will shoot themselves in the foot. So no, there shouldn't be grounds for a lawsuit as was suggested (unless someone can point out a law which gives the police protected status when it comes to such matters).

 

[Rattrap]

Did you actually read the article, because it doesn't seem like you did. Your suggestions don't reflect the actual events.

Your posts get sillier and sillier. Waste of time discussing anything with a puzzled slow learner.

I haven't seen Mr Philbert around in some time...but this is about on par with what I remember.

Good points throughout, HHJJ.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

I haven't seen Mr Philbert around in some time...but this is about on par with what I remember.

Good points throughout, HHJJ.

Ah, okay. I'm new here, so beyond the obvious ones I don't know a lot of the posters. And thanks.

 

[georges]

You annoy me.

You annoy everyone with your neverending stupidity and your godlike praise of communism, you clueless dingbat.

 

[vodkazvictim]

You annoy everyone with your neverending stupidity and your godlike praise of communism, you clueless dingbat.

You! Start using the computer to look for jobs instead of typing on Freeones!
If you're lazy, benefit-taking immigant Muslim arse is going to use the computer while my benefits are paying for you then use it to look for a job, not porn. Parasite.