Ban on Gun Ownership?

[ninetysixcavy]

How many people do you actually know that make there own weapons or would even want to?! :1orglaugh

*confused* :dunno:

What does it matter? Do I have to know people that do that sort of thing?

 

[ninetysixcavy]

I think it's because they won't be compensated in any way. These owners have invested clean money on a legal piece of equipment that went to help the economy. Now it all gets taken away, which will require a tax, and, where will all these weapons go? My guess, they will find there way into the black market and undoubtedly into the hands of some poor Afghani or Iraqi! Oh the irony.

I believe in many cases it has little, if anything, to do with compensation. I could go purchase a handgun tonight (legally), for what amounts to peanuts to me. My philosophy is simple on the matter: criminals all have guns; I live in a mediocre neighborhood and I deserve the right to protect myself. I also believe in the right to hunt and I have known friends since I was a kid that owned guns and they never once did anyhitng remotely illegal with any of them. It's as simple as that to me. Others here are far more schooled on the issue and have far more intellect on the matter than me.

 

[dave_rhino]

*confused* :dunno:

What does it matter? Do I have to know people that do that sort of thing?

And how many people do you know that have or want guns?

You can't compare those "hand made" weapons to something that is in almost every home in america (guns). Totally different ball park.

Yes, there will always be guns around. But that doesn't mean you should make it worse by letting EVERYONE have one.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

You can't compare those "hand made" weapons to something that is in almost every home in america. Totally different ball park.

You'd be surprised at some of the stuff I found recently digging on the subject. I'll leave it at that. It's crazy what you can do with some basic equipment and a little info.

But that doesn't mean you should make it worse by letting EVERYONE have one.

Never said that.

 

[dave_rhino]

Yeah I know, I've read the anarchists cookbook.

But my point is, if you take away someones gun it doesn't mean he's gonna make a home made weapon. And if he does, then he shouldnt of ever had a gun in the first place.

 

[dave_rhino]

Never said that.

I know you never said that. Your government did.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

Yeah I know, I've read the anarchists cookbook.

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Well, well, well. You learn fast, my young Padiwon learner. But I have BETTER stuff than the A.C.

I know you never said that. Your government did.

Where?

 

[marquis2]

While I am a supporter of the 2nd amendment right,in one of the other threads on guns I contend there is a downside to guns.This paragraph is from a link from pistol club someone else put up debating me.






I was actually surprised how many suicides were with guns,wikepedia said 53% of suicides were with guns.I would of thought pills or something were really much more common way.

As mentioned before, the crux of the argument is whether or not the Second Amendment actually gives any such right.The idea that it does has been repeated so often that it's accepted as fact but a look at the actual wording throws doubt on it.

Suicide is often seen as a cry for help and many attempted ones are stopped in time .For example a drugs overdose case might be discovered and pumped out.It very often turns out that the victim is then helped to confront their problem and continue living.People jump into the water and suddenly change their minds and swim back.With a gun there isn't that much chance to reverse the decision.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Banning guns isn't going to solve the problem. Yes, it might provide temporary relief, but that's the most it would do.

Alcohol was banned during prohibition, but people IMMEDIATELY found ways to get their hands on it. People started making alcohol in their bath tubs and in their basements, some of who made money hand-over-first in the process. Huge companies, dedicated to the processing and distribution of alcohol were started (all illegally of course) and millions upon millions of dollars were being made. The government realized that by banning alcohol, they only created a greater demand for it, and eventually lifted the ban to get things back to the way they were.

 

[Facetious]

The question being asked is whether the Second Amendment actually gave those rights or has just been mistakenly interpreted to do so.
The actual wording of the Amendment itself seems to have plenty to do with equipping a militia and nothing to do with the rights of individuals to use arms for their own purposes.Taking it together with the Militia Act passed the following year , written by the same people this seems to have been the intention.

I believe that meddling with this issue could quite possibly egg on the dreaded a Constitutional Convention. If that occurs, count on severe civil strife along with a whole host of unfortunate unforeseeables. The initiator will wish he hadn't.
I understand what your saying though.

To me it's all academic ! There's plenty we can nit pick I suppose . . . But I live here and I like the way it is :1orglaugh

All things considered, it's relatively peaceful.

 

[Facetious]

Too boot . . .WE MUST BE READY FOR . . . ?

Henry Kissinger Quotes
"Today Americans would be outraged if U. N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

- at 5/21/92 Bilderberg Conference in Evian, France
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AND - Serious business !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVmtbLc4t6M


http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/29641.html


:ak47::eek:

 

[Facetious]

Doesn't this debate surface about every 20 years or so?

Days Shayd . . . Days ! :1orglaugh
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I guess if one were raised in a densely populated area of a city, guns are just plain foreign to most residents. The only ones with guns are cops and crooks. It's not like you're just gonna be able to open your back door and shoot a paper target 300 YDS out. Guns to rural people are chewing gum and riding a bike simultaneously. :dunno: yawn

Pretty uneventful 'cause we're well practiced ~

 

[pathfinder]

They gave you the right to own a gun in the first place, so technically that was them telling you what you can do. If they wanna take away those rights, it's their call.

Who is they? The people who "gave" us those rights were not "the government". They were the ones writing the rules to make sure that when the government was set in motion it wouldn't grow beyond the control of the people. They are by no means in any position to take anything... that's the whole point of the Bill of Rights.

 

[Imagine]

If the people elect officials that represent their views, why shouldn't they be in a position to take away something?

 

[Friday on my mind]

As mentioned before, the crux of the argument is whether or not the Second Amendment actually gives any such right.The idea that it does has been repeated so often that it's accepted as fact but a look at the actual wording throws doubt on it.

Suicide is often seen as a cry for help and many attempted ones are stopped in time .For example a drugs overdose case might be discovered and pumped out.It very often turns out that the victim is then helped to confront their problem and continue living.People jump into the water and suddenly change their minds and swim back.With a gun there isn't that much chance to reverse the decision.

I agree and while I support gun rights I will admit that the gun control advocates have some very good points on their side.The ease and ir-reversibility of gun usage for suicides is one of those points.But I think I know my history well enough to know why the founders included the 2nd amendment.As it has been pointed out here and other related threads it was to deter a future tyrannical govt by having an armed populace,this is shown I think repeatedly in the writings of the authors of the right which have been posted in these threads on guns.It was not about hunting or protecting the populace from each other it was about defending liberty.It may be antiquated now possibly but that was the original intent IMO.

 

[pathfinder]

Suicide? If they ban guns you'll just see more people hanging, jumping, poisoning, slitting, etc... That's a statistic that really has very little to do with gun control. If someone wants to check out (mirroring the "if someone wants to commit a crime) they're going to do it... just with a different "tool".
Not to mention... suicide supports Darwin's theory pretty well. If they're that fucked up, then the fact that they blow their brains out shouldn't affect my freedoms... they chose to give up all of their freedoms in one shot...

 

[Renegade1Oh]

The problem is, as a thinking, sane, rational tax payer, it is incomprehensible that my rights and freedoms are even considered to be restricted by some stupid two dimensional politician that wants to blame the woes of a fucked up cultural system in the US on guns, particularly handguns.

Why is Chuck Schumer, or Hillary or Rudy or Diane Fienstein thought to have a viewpoint that is more important than mine? They really have no clue or perception to what the heck they are doing. Their distorted little brains come up with a ban on guns as their problem of solving the internal problems of the US.

Absolute stupidity. I am so tired of the line, arsenal, as in the report of the kid with 30 BB guns recently or total misuse of the term "assault rifle", (already illegal in the US), as meaning anything that remotely represents a fully automatic military rifle.

It is basic common sense to understand that responsible people who are engaged in sport that Chuck, Hillary, Rudy, and Diane don't approve of, are not evil, mentally ill, or deviants of any sort.

I am personally against politicians that spend huge amounts of taxpayer dollars on wasteful lunches, dinners, and other expenses that normal people don't enjoy, and think a citizens review of their actions are necessary to make sure tax dollars aren't wasted crap we don't pay for.

Is something out of balance here?

Very Nicely Said AFA!!! Bravo To You!!! :glugglug:

 

[Renegade1Oh]

It's not that easy. You do have to go out of your way to get one, and it takes money and time. And here the only people going to get guns are the criminals. May sound stupid, but that is actually a good thing. It means not just any random person will go out and buy a gun.

That is what happens in USA though, you don't own a gun just to go robbing and killing, you have one for protection( or hunting/because you feel like it/etc) That "protection" also leads to deaths.

Sure, if you ban guns people will still be able to get them, and people will still be getting shot. But there will be a dramatic decrease in those numbers.

In another thread I wrote about my neighbor's house being Burglerized by "Metizo's", ILLEGAL MEXICAN'S. Three of them robbed my neighbor's house, took Jewelry, Money and his deceased Fathers Pocket Watch, they ransacked it, cut it up, tore the place up all the while the Alarm was going for they had busted a window to get in and it would not reset. Me and my neighbor's caught them as they came out the window and tied them up sitting in a little puddle of water on the grass. I had my AR-15, my 2 neighbor's had there AK-47's. Hey Dave, it took the Cop's 1 Hour and 5 min. to get here, after the alarm went off. Just think if this was your nice house, and your wife or girlfriend was home alone with them three "Metizo's", you know what would have happened to your wife or girlfriend had us neighbor's not answered the Alarm. They ALL had knives. Dave what would you want us to do, not go and check on your place and see if you & your family is O.K.??? Or do what we did, we got them. Tied the knots in square knots, the Cop's had to cut the rope's. They booked them, took them to the next County where INS had a BUS, in route to the Airport, the next day they was back in Texas, getting ready to get shipped back accross the Border, we have an Imaginery Line In The Sand for them. But I have a question for ya Dave, what would you've want us neighbor's with our guns to do??? Check your place, if your wife or girlfriend was being Raped, what would want us to do??? I'd like an answer. If we didn't have gun's with us and we said "Hey, Get Off Dave's Wife Right Now", think they'd listen to us? We have a big problem here, a gun will settle it. How about in Germany, at the airport a guy took a woman hostage with a knife, hey no gun involved here, the police danced around about 20min. while a knife was at her throat, then the Cop's tackled him finally.

 

[Phaeton]

If a shooting happens at a public place I admit I would puss out and run, I'd see shit and get the F out!

If that same violence came to my home or my neighborhood; me, Mr. Lead Pipe, two 120LB German Sheperds, a 90Lb Doberman and 140Lb Weimaraner would get to work. I'd would grieve for the rest of my life if I lost one of my baby puppies, but I know they would protect me and my family to the bitter end. I understand wanting protection, but I prfer large German dogs. If I had to go to a dangerous place, I would never take a gun, I'd take my pups.

But if anyone wanted to take them from me because of a bit of legislation, they would have to kill the lot of us. They are my best friends.

 

[rabidbadger]

whether you like guns or not- fuck anybody, and i repeat FUCK ANYBODY who wants to ban them. i am so goddamn sick of this bleeding heart "waahhhhh somebody might get hurt.... or offended..... somebody else did something stupid, so now YOU have to pay for it..... waaaahhhhh, the govt. knows best..... waaahhhhh" bullshit agenda all these pussy ass liberal fascists keep trying to push. fuck the un and their proposed worldwide ban on "small" arms. fuck the bleeding hearts, fuck the million mom march and fuck all this dishonest propaganda that the leftist media keeps spewing about gun violence. watch in the next 10 years as muslim extremists fist fuck europe until it becomes their own personal playground. you know why? because the citizens can't have guns, that's why. you want america to end up the same way? keep lobbying for more unconstitutional, bullshit gun laws. you want big brother controlling your life, taking your personal freedom away and making you a slave? keep lobbying for more gun control.

god i am so sick of this shit. support the libertarian party and the nra. they are the ONLY people who care about constitutional rights in this day and age.