Ban on Gun Ownership?

[McRocket]

I'm totally cool with a background check and waiting period. I don't see this as an infringement because, in the end, I will have the gun. It's really the only way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Anyone that knows about the streets, knows that there is NO way to keep guns out of North American (and especially U.S.) criminals hands that really want guns.
Almost anyone with enough cash can get hold of a gun any day they want to in a medium sized city with just the smallest of connections on the street.
When I was connected, getting hold of a handgun was none too difficult; even here in Canada. But they attract allot of attention up here. And most criminals don't want that.
But if I wanted one with no questions or much attention, I could just hop across the border to the 'States and within 24 hours I would probably have a handgun. Even if I knew no one in the city I was in when I arrived - providing the city was of at least 100,000 people in size.
And so could most of you with a decent amount of cash; whether you were law abiding citizens or just out of jail for murder.
In fact, the more well known of a criminal you are - the easier it probably would be.

 

[Facetious]

Personally I would love to see the ban on machine guns lifted... not the restrictions on purchase, although the $200 tax stamp and the few months it can take to process the paperwork, but the ban on manufacturing new machine guns. IMHO this would create a HUGE market for gun owners who have been getting ass raped on prices of "pre-ban" machine guns.

I hear you ! Good points ! I would like to see the .50 Cal. ban go away here in Kalif. ! As if people have been shot with a Barrett Jus' neck down to .49 Cal. :1orglaugh . . then .48 Cal. then . . I've had my eye on one of these . As for now . . no can do.

I'm totally cool with a background check and waiting period. I don't see this as an infringement because, in the end, I will have the gun. It's really the only way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I would even welcome the implementation of this system on all guns (rifles, shotguns, etc) as a trade off for some other laws being dropped.

+ 1 ~

 

[marquis2]

Why TF would ANYBODY advocate the loss of Second Amendment Rights in an increasingly domineering political atmosphere ? ! WHY ? . . .Demikan or Republikrat ?

Me thinks that you needs to study your history !

The question being asked is whether the Second Amendment actually gave those rights or has just been mistakenly interpreted to do so.
The actual wording of the Amendment itself seems to have plenty to do with equipping a militia and nothing to do with the rights of individuals to use arms for their own purposes.Taking it together with the Militia Act passed the following year , written by the same people this seems to have been the intention.

 

[shayd]

Doesn't this debate surface about every 20 years or so?

 

[pathfinder]

The question being asked is whether the Second Amendment actually gave those rights or has just been mistakenly interpreted to do so.
The actual wording of the Amendment itself seems to have plenty to do with equipping a militia and nothing to do with the rights of individuals to use arms for their own purposes.Taking it together with the Militia Act passed the following year , written by the same people this seems to have been the intention.

Way back in the way back when they were writing the Bill of Rights the militias were formed by individuals and those individuals took their own firearms to battle. The two were intertwined and that's the point. If it ever becomes necessary for the citizens to reclaim the country from a government that's grown beyond the control of the people it's intended to serve.

Take the guns out of the hands of the individual and you disarm the militia. Do you think the state or federal government is going to provide the arms for a militia made up of individuals that they are trying to control?

 

[dave_rhino]

People might not agree with it now, and I understand. But the generations to come will be thankful.

 

[allan]

People might not agree with it now, and I understand. But the generations to come will be thankful.

Indeed, it's normal here in the netherlands

 

[sterobbo01]

What will this achieve? We have some of the strictest Gun Laws in the world in the Uk and Guns are still so easy to get hold of. I cant imagine how this would work in the US where it's even easier to obtain a gun.

 

[dave_rhino]

What will this achieve? We have some of the strictest Gun Laws in the world in the Uk and Guns are still so easy to get hold of.

It's not that easy. You do have to go out of your way to get one, and it takes money and time. And here the only people going to get guns are the criminals. May sound stupid, but that is actually a good thing. It means not just any random person will go out and buy a gun.

That is what happens in USA though, you don't own a gun just to go robbing and killing, you have one for protection( or hunting/because you feel like it/etc) That "protection" also leads to deaths.

Sure, if you ban guns people will still be able to get them, and people will still be getting shot. But there will be a dramatic decrease in those numbers.

 

[AFA]

It just takes a crafty lawyer following the mood of the times, (and money), to reinterpret any laws or parts of the constitution.

I personally can't stand hearing "it sucks", on TV shows. I think it's lame and sounds like crap to spice up something otherwise easily ignored.

Why are my rights being violated by pop culture and someone else's sense of cool?

 

[Imagine]

I personally can't stand hearing "it sucks", on TV shows. I think it's lame and sounds like crap to spice up something otherwise easily ignored.

Why are my rights being violated by pop culture and someone else's sense of cool?

You do realize, I hope, that for this analogy to be even remotely related to gun control, all gun-related deaths and injuries would have to be self-inflicted. To my knowledge however, guns are generally used against other people.

 

[Friday on my mind]

You do realize, I hope, that for this analogy to be even remotely related to gun control, all gun-related deaths and injuries would have to be self-inflicted. To my knowledge however, guns are generally used against other people.

While I am a supporter of the 2nd amendment right,in one of the other threads on guns I contend there is a downside to guns.This paragraph is from a link from pistol club someone else put up debating me.


"Numbers
by Richard Ripley
While there were 28,163 gun deaths in 2000, only 776 were accidental. 16,586 were suicides, and 10,801 were murders. Deplorable as those numbers are, the one thing that you can say about suicides and homicides is that they are deliberate, not accidental. You can also guess that most of the homicides were related to criminal activity (drug dealing, etc), and not ordinary, everyday people 'losing their temper'. Suicides are usually caused by a profound despair that life isn't worth living. People get to that point and then decide how to do it, rather than seeing a gun and saying "Oh, a gun! I think I'll kill myself..."

In 2000, death by firearms weren't even in the Top 10 causes of death (in order: heart disease, cancer, stroke, respiratory disease, accident, diabetes, flu and pneumonia, Alzheimer's, Nephritis, and Septicemia). (source, CDC, http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html)

So where do the big numbers come from? Simple, add in suicides and homicides -- including the justifiable homicides (violent aggressors killed by police and private citizens defending innocent life). And to show how deadly guns are to children, count everyone under 19 years of age (sometimes even 24!) as a "child". The majority of the deaths in the "child" category then become 14-18 year olds in the drug business killing each other over money, merchandise, power, and turf.
*Some or all of this item was obtained from the NRA ILA web site."

I was actually surprised how many suicides were with guns,wikepedia said 53% of suicides were with guns.I would of thought pills or something were really much more common way.

 

[dave_rhino]

A question to all those opposed to it:

Is it because you actually want a gun? Or are you just pissed off because "it's your right" to own one and they are taking it away?

I hope it's not the latter...

 

[Imagine]

Really? That's more suicides than I thought. Nevertheless, it'd be interesting to see the injuries as well, and even if about 2/3rd are self-inflicted, it still beats the 0/3rds self-inflicted suffering from watching TV-shows (I think it's a pretty safe assumption that a very small number of people watching TV are forced to do so).

 

[ninetysixcavy]

A question to all those opposed to it:

Is it because you actually want a gun? Or are you just pissed off because "it's your right" to own one and they are taking it away?

I hope it's not the latter...

I want the right to protect myself, and my family, from criminals. Also, I grew up with hunters - as friends and family members - and I believe this is also part of why I want to be able to own a gun. It's part of my/our American culture.

And by golly, people should be "pissed" if their rights are intruded upon. The government has no right to tell you what you can and can't do, outside of what you do to other people (criminals don't apply here). Taking away rights goes against everything this country [America] stands for.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

Really? That's more suicides than I thought. Nevertheless, it'd be interesting to see the injuries as well, and even if about 2/3rd are self-inflicted, it still beats the 0/3rds self-inflicted suffering from watching TV-shows (I think it's a pretty safe assumption that a very small number of people watching TV are forced to do so).

There's quite a few gun fatalities by way of suicide. Either way, I do believe that figures are inflated using all kind of faulty info, as FOMM pointed out, just to scare all these nincompoops into to this false sense of fear in America. Yeah, people get killed every day; I see them on my news cast every day. But the killer's usually not some law-abiding old guy who was running around on the street toting metal for the fun of it.

 

[dave_rhino]

The government has no right to tell you what you can and can't do

They gave you the right to own a gun in the first place, so technically that was them telling you what you can do. If they wanna take away those rights, it's their call.

outside of what you do to other people

It only takes a split second to go from 'not harming other people' to another gun related incident... I'm sure a lot of people have bought guns only meaning to protect themselves and ended up killing someone unecissarily.

Taking away rights goes against everything this country [America] stands for.

It's not like they are taking away your right to smile or your right to start a family. It's just a gun. And it could save lives.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

They gave you the right to own a gun in the first place, so technically that was them telling you what you can do. If they wanna take away those rights, it's their call.

No. They gave us the right to Freedom.

It's not like they are taking away your right to smile or your right to start a family. It's just a gun. And it could save lives.

It could also save lives....a lot of lives. Do you really want me to start posting links to sites that teach you how to make your own weapons? :nono:There's pleanty of them, and there will always be a Black Market. Weapons will never go away, so I just assume to live in a world where I have good, law abiding neighbors, to watch my back.

 

[dave_rhino]

Do you really want me to start posting links to sites that teach you how to make your own weapons?

How many people do you actually know that make there own weapons or would even want to?! :1orglaugh

 

[Phaeton]

A question to all those opposed to it:

Is it because you actually want a gun? Or are you just pissed off because "it's your right" to own one and they are taking it away?

I hope it's not the latter...

I think it's because they won't be compensated in any way. These owners have invested clean money on a legal piece of equipment that went to help the economy. Now it all gets taken away, which will require a tax, and, where will all these weapons go? My guess, they will find there way into the black market and undoubtedly into the hands of some poor Afghani or Iraqi! Oh the irony.