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this only applies to the folks that use the shit out of the data. me? the most ive used is between 100 - 150 mb. that means the 200mb for $15 would be great rather than the $30 unlimited. let the hating commence :hatsoff:
AT&T Kills The $30 Unlimited Data Plan
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Which brings me back to my point ... if you don't like the consumer-end, become a provider! Capitalism with responsible regulation in action, quit bitching and start providing for yourself if you really don't like it. Again, it's this total lack of self-responsibility that has led consumers to wanting to be entitled, instead of recognizing the reality is that when you really get fed up, you "build a better mousetrap" instead of running to the government.
If "popular environmentalists" would do that in this country, we'd change overnight ... for the better! Instead, we get 100% bitching, 0% solutions, with a mixed-bag of "popular awareness" that solves absolutely 0 problems. I cannot harp on this theme enough, and it's why the US is absolutely fucked by its own citizens, not big business or government.
It's all about attitude, and it's why 80-90% of millionaires exist. You know, the self-made ones that make up the majority of this country? I mean, you can't run a successful, small business in this country without having a gross income of quarter to half million dollars/year today. Of course, when you do, you still live in $30-50K/year. Which leads into my other comments on taxes, but we've already gone there.
Which is where over 90% of Americans are utterly ignorant about the real people who provide in this country, and the real people who are allegedly "rich/wealthy" yet live on less and have less "discretionary income" than the typical, middle class family that averages $50-80K/year. But we've also covered that too, and people accusing me of being out-of-touch. Small business owners like myself have always felt that we, we definitely are out-of-touch! As are engineers even more so.
We're out-of-touch with the majority of people in this country that think they are "entitled." Sad, extremely sad. But call us small business owners idealists that put things into action.
And you still can't explain me, which is why you keep getting confused. Libertarian-Capitalists do believe in regulation, when required to ensure competition. Setting up a new provider, leveraging the backbones and towers of others, is how many of these other options work.
Which brings me back to my point ... if you don't like the consumer-end, become a provider! Capitalism with responsible regulation in action, quit bitching and start providing for yourself if you really don't like it. Again, it's this total lack of self-responsibility that has led consumers to wanting to be entitled, instead of recognizing the reality is that when you really get fed up, you "build a better mousetrap" instead of running to the government.
If "popular environmentalists" would do that in this country, we'd change overnight ... for the better! Instead, we get 100% bitching, 0% solutions, with a mixed-bag of "popular awareness" that solves absolutely 0 problems. I cannot harp on this theme enough, and it's why the US is absolutely fucked by its own citizens, not big business or government.
And you seem to be ignoring the fact that all the "big boys" tap each other's networks too, at the same rates! Especially the backbones, but also some of the wireless towers when they are compatible technology.
It's all about attitude, and it's why 80-90% of millionaires exist. You know, the self-made ones that make up the majority of this country? I mean, you can't run a successful, small business in this country without having a gross income of quarter to half million dollars/year today. Of course, when you do, you still live in $30-50K/year. Which leads into my other comments on taxes, but we've already gone there.
Which is where over 90% of Americans are utterly ignorant about the real people who provide in this country, and the real people who are allegedly "rich/wealthy" yet live on less and have less "discretionary income" than the typical, middle class family that averages $50-80K/year. But we've also covered that too, and people accusing me of being out-of-touch. Small business owners like myself have always felt that we, we definitely are out-of-touch! As are engineers even more so.
We're out-of-touch with the majority of people in this country that think they are "entitled." Sad, extremely sad. But call us small business owners idealists that put things into action.
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Al that being said...I'm still not sure what your rant was toward me. I never bitched here about rates or changes...and there a many alternatives to not liking the rates or service...you could just choose against having the service altogether.
Nothing I'VE said here should have left you nor anyone else with the impression I support some sense of consumer entitlement. I've said here a few times that this service is still generally a "luxury" type service irrespective of it's saturation in the marketplace.
Others have suggested there is price fixing, their rates or profits are too high, etc. With respect to the notion that their rates are too high in relationship to what it costs to generate the service, I think it's a bit naive IMO.
As far as your regulation analysis in relationship to libertarianism...no regulation is really amenable to strict libertarianism. But IF there was...it certainly wouldn't be a regulation mandating rates at which a business must supply service to some other business.:2 cents:
Al that being said...I'm still not sure what your rant was toward me. I never bitched here about rates or changes...and there a many alternatives to not liking the rates or service...you could just choose against having the service altogether.
Nothing I'VE said here should have left you nor anyone else with the impression I support some sense of consumer entitlement. I've said here a few times that this service is still generally a "luxury" type service irrespective of it's saturation in the marketplace.
Others have suggested there is price fixing, their rates or profits are too high, etc. With respect to the notion that their rates are too high in relationship to what it costs to generate the service, I think it's a bit naive IMO.
As far as your regulation analysis in relationship to libertarianism...no regulation is really amenable to strict libertarianism. But IF there was...it certainly wouldn't be a regulation mandating rates at which a business must supply service to some other business.:2 cents:
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At this point, most American Libertarians would just love both the left and right to stop using the government to run and/or sanction everything. That's the problem.
We haven't had any focus on capitalism with regulation in a long time. It's either been socialism (government run) or facism (government sanctioned). Just good'ole capitalism with regulation, as required, would be ideal.
The whole reason we have regulation in the telco area is because the initial investment costs are very high. Now I do have to apologize, because it was D-Rock that really got me going:
1) Building local towers at their major customer sites, which gives major, unfettered, local capability for those customers. This is extremely profitable.
2) Using public frequencies for metro and Internet capabilities for long-distance backbone, especially for home access (such as employees at home). Even the "big boys" have been doing this as well.
3) Paying two (2) "big boy" providers for additional access, both 2G EDGE, although one is currently negotiating 3G UTMS with one partner (since no one uses the same 3G in the US). This is largely for their customers when they travel.
Both of them started with nothing.
And yet ...
I think most people are naive when it comes to running a business. In fact, I just had this conversation today with another business owner, and we laughed quite hard (in total agreement
).The American Libertarian party isn't about strict Libertarianism. In fact, strict Libertarianism doesn't factor in economic models at all.
At this point, most American Libertarians would just love both the left and right to stop using the government to run and/or sanction everything. That's the problem.
We haven't had any focus on capitalism with regulation in a long time. It's either been socialism (government run) or facism (government sanctioned). Just good'ole capitalism with regulation, as required, would be ideal.
The whole reason we have regulation in the telco area is because the initial investment costs are very high. Now I do have to apologize, because it was D-Rock that really got me going:
Both of my colleagues are doing three (3) things:
1) Building local towers at their major customer sites, which gives major, unfettered, local capability for those customers. This is extremely profitable.
2) Using public frequencies for metro and Internet capabilities for long-distance backbone, especially for home access (such as employees at home). Even the "big boys" have been doing this as well.
3) Paying two (2) "big boy" providers for additional access, both 2G EDGE, although one is currently negotiating 3G UTMS with one partner (since no one uses the same 3G in the US). This is largely for their customers when they travel.
Both of them started with nothing.
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What frequency bloc do they use for air interface (radio link between mobile and the towers/sites they build) A, B, etc.?
What frequency bloc do they use for air interface (radio link between mobile and the towers/sites they build) A, B, etc.?
I don't think anyone had the impression that no one would benefit from this. But for the average iPhone user, (and there are a lot on the AT&T network) you're talking GB of data transmission per month. Plus, Jobs just made a big deal out of the fact that you can now transmit 720p video with the new iPhone and additionally watch Netflix on your iPhone. That's going to rack up rather quickly.
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