Argentina - Hands off the Falklands

tartanterrier

Is somewhere outhere.
If the Falklanders want to remain British then they shall.Although I think they should have a vote on the issue to
put the record straight once and for all ;)
 

Red XXX

Official Checked Star Member
If the Falklanders want to remain British then they shall.Although I think they should have a vote on the issue to
put the record straight once and for all ;)
Good then the Northern Isles can remain British, if Scotland votes for independance :drama:
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I would think their to busy fucking over Ireland, to worry about the Falklands.
 
Islands inhabitants should decide.
Cristina Kirchner just want to cover internal problems

Real Life is never as simple as that. There are lots of territories all over the world where the majority of inhabitants are foreign citizens. Heck, there are _countries_ whose nationals are minorities, like Borat's Khazakhstan. IIRC, khazaks are about 30% of Khazakhstan population, the rest is mostly russians.

If people could freely vote and decide to which country each territory would belong, there would be a worldwide mess, when the partition of state-owned companies, state priviledges and other governmental stuff would have to be split.

The only way to adopt this would be to abolish all countries and set up a world-wide democracy. But with 70% of world population living in dictatorships, this seems like an impossible dream.

It's better to dream that all girls are hot and naked.
 
The UK has controlled the islands since 1833, Argentina didn't even exist as its present form until 1853 so the UK has held the islands even before Argentina existed so their claims of sovereignty are laughable. In any case how can she moan about British colonialism when she isn't even a native of the region where Argentina is and is descended from Spanish and German immigrants. ps I wonder if the US will back us if this gets any more heated in light of these recent revelation:

How US nearly betrayed us to the enemy: Secretary of State threatened to tell Argentina British troops were landing on South Georgia

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oops-landing-South-Georgia.html#ixzz2Gxt1rg00


Royal Marines in San Carlos raising the Union Jack during the Falklands War

Argentinian intellectuals question country's claim to the Falklands

Group of 17 prominent figures comes in for criticism for supporting Falklands inhabitants' right to self-determination



A group of 17 leading Argentinian intellectuals has come in for heavy criticism from the government of President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and its members branded as traitors for supporting the right to self-determination of Falkland Islands inhabitants.

"I don't see how our country can impose on a group of 3,000 people, whose ancestors arrived there 180 years ago, a government, a sovereignty and a citizenship they do not want," said Fernando Iglesias, a former opposition legislator and one of the men behind Malvinas: An Alternative Viewpoint, a paper penned by the group. The paper argues against Argentina's long-standing position that Falklanders are a transplanted population from Britain with no rights over the islands.

Peronist senator Anibal Fernández dismissed the paper's 17 co-signatories, a veritable who's who of important thinkers, journalists and writers in Argentina, as "cheap intellectuals".

In a column in the pro-government daily, Tiempo Argentino, Fernández reaffirmed the official position that Argentina inherited the islands from Spain when it became independent in 1816, branding as usurpers the British who have ruled the islands since 1833.

"They are presenting a perverse document, plagued with inaccuracies and kinks, in absolute opposition to the wishes and sentiment of the majority of the Argentinian people," the right-hand man to President Fernández said about the document, which is causing furore despite not having yet been made public.

Following news of the train crash that killed at least 50 people in Buenos Aires on Wednesday morning and concerned about calls from pro-government media for a rally outside the venue where it was planning to present its document, the group is rethinking how to release its statement.

The mass-circulation populist daily Crónica featured pictures of members of the group against a red background under the headline In Favour of the Pirates accusing them of accepting the British position.

Argentina's claim to the islands it calls the Malvinas has been revived and placed at the centre of national policy by Fernández, on the eve of the 30th anniversary of the Falklands War between Great Britain and Argentina on 2 April. Adopting a hardline policy, Kirchner has blocked Argentina's ports to ships flying the Falklands flag and obtained the support of other South American nations who have also blocked their ports.

Supporters of President Fernández quickly flooded Twitter with abuse against Iglesias under the "Fernando Iglesias has died" hashtag. "Someone who fought tirelessly for imperialism has passed away," wrote one "K", as Fernández supporters call themselves. "Condolences have arrived from Margaret Thatcher," wrote another.

Iglesias says Argentina has much more urgent issues than the dispute with Great Britain to deal with. "The train crash today with some 50 dead is just another example," he said. "The nation's rail system is in disarray and this was an accident just waiting to happen."

Iglesias is especially indignant about foreign minister Hector Timerman's reiterated claim that Falklanders are a transplanted population with no rights over the islands. "My own grandparents only arrived in Argentina from Spain in the 1930s while some families on the islands have been there since the 1840s," says Iglesias.

One of the signatories, well-known author and journalist Pepe Eliashev, is concerned about the anger directed against the group. "These exasperated reactions from ultranationalists on the right or the left, and the government's use of the Malvinas as a smokescreen, do not bode well for the future," he said.

Iglesias says that despite believing Argentina has rights over the islands, "what we underline is the right to self-determination, we cannot impose citizenship or sovereignty on a population that does not want it".

Another member of the group, the historian Vicente Palermo, has gone the furthest, questioning even the basis of Argentina's claim. "There will be no Argentinian solution to the Malvinas question until the inhabitants want to become Argentinian," he wrote in a recent column in the conservative daily La Nación.

Another signatory, Jorge Lanata, perhaps Argentina's most popular journalist, opened his daily radio programme on Wednesday ironically calling himself "Morgan the Pirate" in response to the avalanche of criticism he is under. "I've been to the Malvinas. Over there they hate us. For them the war was an invasion. We speak of the Malvinas as if nobody lived there."

"We are aware we run the risk of being labelled traitors, but it is a risk we are willing to take if we believe in the right under democracy to express our viewpoint," says Iglesias.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/22/argentinian-intellectuals-question-falklands
 
Does the UK have the wherewithal and the will to go to war over the Falklands if it came to that?

Thatcher isn't PM.

Yes - the idea this time though is that no invasion force from Argentina would be succesful. In 1982 there were a handful of Royal Marines on the island. Now there is one soldier for every three islanders, and the island has a full landing strip with four Eurofighters stationed there permanently. Any landing force would be decimated before it got within sight.
 
You're right SebHo.

Part of me does want to say that Johnny Q. Adams wrote the Monroe doctrine and we weren't kidding about it. I'm sure Uncle Sam could scare up a force to move the soldiers out and deal with whatever Eurofighter may need contending with. That is a just a silly part of me though.
 
The UK has controlled the islands since 1833, Argentina didn't even exist as its present form until 1853 so the UK has held the islands even before Argentina existed so their claims of sovereignty are laughable. In any case how can she moan about British colonialism when she isn't even a native of the region where Argentina is and is descended from Spanish and German immigrants. ps I wonder if the US will back us if this gets any more heated in light of these recent revelation:

How US nearly betrayed us to the enemy: Secretary of State threatened to tell Argentina British troops were landing on South Georgia

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oops-landing-South-Georgia.html#ixzz2Gxt1rg00

This is pure nonsense. There was never any chance that the USA would support the argentinian dictatorship instead of England. This was the dictator's fantasies. Those were Cold War days, England was essential to contain the USSR, while Argentina was ruled by mass-murdering maniacs who threatened to go to war with Chile for three pieces of antartic shit just a couple of years before they went to war against England for another piece of shit.

Argentina seems to be doomed to be ruled by maniacs. Its national hero, Peron, was a nazi-loving bastard and rapist of 14-year-old girls, his only good quality was that he loved whores (and married two of them).
 

tartanterrier

Is somewhere outhere.
[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/red-xxx said:
Red XXX[/URL][/B], post: 7265706, member: 55251"]Good then the Northern Isles can remain British, if Scotland votes for independance :drama:

I can't see Scotland voting for that when the time finally comes to be honest.Shrek will have to move some mountains before
he gets my vote of confidence ;)
 
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