In addition to being estrogen like, overconsumption of soy isoflavones have also been linked to thyroid, bladder and kidney problems in some people.:2 cents:
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In addition to being estrogen like, overconsumption of soy isoflavones have also been linked to thyroid, bladder and kidney problems in some people.:2 cents:
Did the meat eating scientists tell ya that.
No silly... It was from the independant survey... Which just happened to be funded by the Dairy Industry of USA
Well, if you're a guy you can try a little experiment for yourself.
Drink soy milk for a week and see if "lil Johnny" is still performing the same.
Here's one of many different links which discusses soy isoflavones..
http://www.berkeleywellness.com/html/ds/dsSoy.php
Wow, fool proof experiment there...
I've been drinking soy for over 7 years... "lil Johnny" is still working fine for me.
Drinking soy milk is completely different to taking soy isoflavin supplement pills or tablets...
Even your article agrees -
See my original point. I'm not claiming soy is poison...I just suggested not consuming too much of it....especially if you're a man. For women it is generally good for them
Everyone knows (or should know) that supplements are generally inferior to natural sources for nutrients. This link appears to be debunking a claim made by a pill manufacturer.
But again, I never said it was poison. I suggested that if you're going to use soy protein as a replacement for other proteins, evidence suggests that too much consumption of isoflavones can be bad.
The are many empirical studies and data that support the notion that isoflavones have phytoestrogens. As a man, I don't want to add estrogen to my body.
Everyone knows (or should know) that supplements are generally inferior to natural sources for nutrients. This link appears to be debunking a claim made by a pill manufacturer.
But again, I never said it was poison. I suggested that if you're going to use soy protein as a replacement for other proteins, evidence suggests that too much consumption of isoflavones can be bad.
The are many empirical studies and data that support the notion that isoflavones have phytoestrogens. As a man, I don't want to add estrogen to my body.
so what man, that's why they have viagra!
and it's way better for your heart than eating a steak.
Personally, I seem to have a higher than average sex drive, but it is probably that I'm just a pervert that likes to hang out on porn forums all day. God Bless. :thumbsup:
Well, the best quality protein isn't from steak.
Now who's the perv?
Organic farmers believe that animals deserve a good quality of life before they are slaughtered. Yes it EVENTUALLY died to become food, but animals raised on an organic farm are given the same considerations any other non-meat farm animal are. They're born, they get to enjoy the sunshine and nibble on the grass and when its their time, they are killed. But their life isn't soley existant because they're food. Their life exists to prove a point, to raise the standards of how animals are treated. They're bred and raised for far more than just to fill anyones stomach.
And yes, when I was a vegetarian I got sick. I was young and although I researched how to properly maintain a vegetarian diet and lifestyle, my immature aversion to certain foods (mainly legumes/soy) kept me from getting my nutrition. NOW, being older, and better educated, I can maintain a lifestyle in which I limit my meat consumption (only eating organic) and planning more meals around meat replacements.
And please hun, don't get so rash about my post, or any meat eaters posts as well. Everyone gets their opinions and can choose their lifestyle...I agree that being a vegan/vegetarian is a great way to keep healthy, and not support animal cruelty...but I think the main thing here is to promote HUMANE meat consumption to those who love their meat and won't drop it for anything. Organic is the way to go. Its pricier, but holy hell it makes you feel good when you know you are keeping the farmers in the business of caring for their animals.
nope i love meat but my moms dog is a vegertarian .
i swear im not lieing she wont eat meat but she loves fruits and veggies
i swear im not lieing she wont eat meat but she loves fruits and veggies
I'm not vegetarian, i don't think i could live without meat in my diet, it's good stuff.
What i don't understand is some of the conflict vegetarians get from omnivores, I've met loads of people who are vegetarians and well i've never once thought oh something's wrong with them and neither have any of my omnivore friends. Is it a subject that is really that hard for some non-vegetarians to get a grip with? Or maybe an issue in America? (I'm British)
I do hate the argument's about killing animals for our food source but it's something we've been doing for years and is a natural instinctive process that all animals go through, i disagree with the inhumane treatment some animals receive, the issue of intensive farmed chicken and battery hens has been quite a public issue here over the past two years or so and the excuse many people had for eating the chicken that wasn't humanely farmed or free range was that the meat is alot cheaper if you buy meat that's had a shitty life and it's bought out of neccesity unfortunatly. Yeh those people probably could turn vegetarian if they didn't want to eat meat but i think many people wouldn't want.
I try to eat only Organic/free range meat because not only has the animal had a good quality of life it tastes much better and if i don't eat it the meat will just be left to rot.
What i don't understand is some of the conflict vegetarians get from omnivores, I've met loads of people who are vegetarians and well i've never once thought oh something's wrong with them and neither have any of my omnivore friends. Is it a subject that is really that hard for some non-vegetarians to get a grip with? Or maybe an issue in America? (I'm British)
I do hate the argument's about killing animals for our food source but it's something we've been doing for years and is a natural instinctive process that all animals go through, i disagree with the inhumane treatment some animals receive, the issue of intensive farmed chicken and battery hens has been quite a public issue here over the past two years or so and the excuse many people had for eating the chicken that wasn't humanely farmed or free range was that the meat is alot cheaper if you buy meat that's had a shitty life and it's bought out of neccesity unfortunatly. Yeh those people probably could turn vegetarian if they didn't want to eat meat but i think many people wouldn't want.
I try to eat only Organic/free range meat because not only has the animal had a good quality of life it tastes much better and if i don't eat it the meat will just be left to rot.
My teeth and maulers say "meat" as does my digestive system. And I'm not gonna go against nature! So, yes, I eat meat and I am NOT a veg....
I suppose getting your throat slit would be worse than having some Lion hanging off of it while the rest of her pride rips chunks of your flesh and innards off and out of your body. Or being dismembered alive by a pack of hyenas.
Meat eaters don't get upset we get annoyed by people who believe they've "seen the light" and start to drop their thundering hammer of judgment on us.
If you've made the decision to forgo eating meat (for whatever reason), that's you're own, personal decision. No one likes being proselytized against eating meat because (of all things) animals die to become food. What a novel concept, animals die at hands of carnivores or omnivores to become food. Imagine that.
No, I'm not. But I wish I was, because I do believe it's the compassionate way of living.
Man kind has no real reason to eat meat except for its own pleasure. We're smart enough to know that proteins and other nutritients can be gained elsewhere, and crafty enough to get ahold of these products instead of killing animals. So saying you eat meat because "it's the natural thing to do" would be like referring to chimps to defend an act of rape. Monkeys rape, so that's also natural isn't it? We separated ourselves from animals long ago, and carry the responsibility to act accordingly.
Nevertheless, I've tried vegetarianism and even being a vegan. But I'm too fond of meat (pun?) and always end up having a juicy burger or barbequed ribs. So I admit that I give into that urge at the cost of animal lives. Just like I eat candy despite it's unhealthy, and drive fast despite knowing it can cost me my life. No one is perfect. I do however try my best to make sure the meat I eat does not come from suffering animals or bad farming.
Another argument often put forward but people to counter vegetarians is how "my effort makes little difference, those animals will die anyway." This is an absurd way of thinking in a democracy. It would mean that you should not vote, and you should not save a person's life given the chance - because the outcome is not solely dependent on your own effort. One has to do what they can, it's an obligation when we're given the freedom of choice. Liberty comes with the little cost that you do what you can do fulfill your idea of what's right.
On a side note, vegetarianism, when done properly, is most likely way more healthy than eating meat is for several reasons. The exception being wild meat I would guess.
Man kind has no real reason to eat meat except for its own pleasure. We're smart enough to know that proteins and other nutritients can be gained elsewhere, and crafty enough to get ahold of these products instead of killing animals. So saying you eat meat because "it's the natural thing to do" would be like referring to chimps to defend an act of rape. Monkeys rape, so that's also natural isn't it? We separated ourselves from animals long ago, and carry the responsibility to act accordingly.
Nevertheless, I've tried vegetarianism and even being a vegan. But I'm too fond of meat (pun?) and always end up having a juicy burger or barbequed ribs. So I admit that I give into that urge at the cost of animal lives. Just like I eat candy despite it's unhealthy, and drive fast despite knowing it can cost me my life. No one is perfect. I do however try my best to make sure the meat I eat does not come from suffering animals or bad farming.
Another argument often put forward but people to counter vegetarians is how "my effort makes little difference, those animals will die anyway." This is an absurd way of thinking in a democracy. It would mean that you should not vote, and you should not save a person's life given the chance - because the outcome is not solely dependent on your own effort. One has to do what they can, it's an obligation when we're given the freedom of choice. Liberty comes with the little cost that you do what you can do fulfill your idea of what's right.
On a side note, vegetarianism, when done properly, is most likely way more healthy than eating meat is for several reasons. The exception being wild meat I would guess.
Why have sex and risk disease when we're "crafty enough" to create babies in test tubes? I suppose the answer would be, there are other reasons we humans have sex other than just for creating babies. Eating meat for many (at least for me) is about more than mere nutritional value, it's largely about taste. That's why we continued to consume it. Also, it's assumed that animals who act primarily out of instinct don't have the intelligence to consent....a key component for establishing rape.
Vegetarianism may well be "healthier" than a diet that includes meat. But has it ever occurred to you, what's the point? I mean, you could live as healthy as possible, never get sick and at the end of it you're still going to end up like the rest of us...dead. You're just not a statistic that we can say died of something.
The argument tends to be that your quality of health may privy you to a life without suffering. But what about the people born into suffering or those who don't eat meat but get ill from some other environmental condition or get mangled in a car crash or some other such accident?
Bottom line, if someone chooses not to eat meat anymore...more power to them. But stop making specious arguments in attempts to convert others. :fight:
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