Anyone on this site up for a friendly political debate?

I will start.

I reject the economic theory commonly called “supply-side economics.” If I understand it correctly, the idea is if you reduce taxes on the wealthy, they will invest the extra money (start new businesses, expand existing businesses ect) and that will create more jobs.

My econ professors were always fond of using hypothetical situations to explain economic theories so I will do the same.

Let’s say that you own a restaurant. Now let’s say that there is a recession. Because of this recession there are less people than normal in your restaurant, and as a result you lay off most of your waitresses. Now let’s say that someone gives you a bunch of money, $100,000 is a nice round figure. Now this is more than enough money to pay a waitress for a year, but as a smart business owner you know that if you hire a waitress she will just stand around in the restaurant because there is no one to serve.

My point is that investment is only viable when the economy is doing well.

If the economy is doing well, and your restaurant is full nightly, then you should be seeing a healthy profit. If this is the case then you don’t really need the government’s help. You already have the money to start hire more servers.

It seems to me that the economy is driven by demand rather than supply. More customers make your restaurant more profitable not more servers.

I believe that the tax cuts would work better on the middle and lower classes than on the upper classes.

I guess this would be trickle-up?

Discuss.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I think the "investment is only viable when the economy is doing well" statement applies to both supply-side and demand-side sectors of the economic equation. I'm not certain what effect a middle and lower income level tax cut will have on stimulating the economy right now. With prices rising so quickly and dramatically based on the cost of oil and its wide-ranging ramifications rather than strict supply or demand influences, I don't see anyone rushing out to buy that new car or high-def TV just because they happen to get a tax cut....at least not in the present economic environment. Folks seem to be more concerned about just getting by than anything else right now.
 

Facetious

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^ + 1 ! :thumbsup:

Your professor's model is correct so long as the nation's economy is not experiencing a recession. I agree with you, in that you're $100,000 investment would be poorly served (sorry for pun :o) as you've suggested.
Most people, if they were to acquire $100,000 today would be foolish, aside from a few, select instances, to invest any greater than 15 % of that capital in business.

Much of what econ professors teach is a false sense of hopefulness . . after all, who wants to encourage a bad economy ? Answer : the democratic party entering their national convention, just coming off of a failed 2 term republikan presidency, that's who. :2 cents:
 
Congratulations, you've discovered Keynesian economics.

I think my post would be better described as Keynesian lite

I'm not certain what effect a middle and lower income level tax cut will have on stimulating the economy right now...Folks seem to be more concerned about just getting by than anything else right now.

I totally agree with you there. I was really just making the point (not a new point by any means) that supply-side economics ignores demand. Personally I don't think that tax cuts alone are a solution, regardless of who they target. Also You Might be interested to know that polls conducted a few months ago support your statement as well. When asked what they would do with their stimulus checks most Americans said they would pay bills, buy groceries or spend the money on other things that would constitute "getting by."

There are already tonnes of threads about politics having another isnt going to help.

Dude if you don't like the thread you don't have to read it or post in it. It isn't like I lured you into this thread by promising "hot nekkid babes" and then pulled a bait and switch. It clearly says "political" in the title.

Now back yo the topic at hand.
If not Keynesian or supply-side, what kinds of policies do you think would best stimulate a lagging economy?
 
Trickle down is no longer an effective way to stimulate the american economy if the tax cuts are not very targeted.Trickle up will always work better now IMO.While maybe 50 years ago giving tax cuts to the well off would have resulted in that money being invested in the US and resulting in economic growth here that no longer works.Now they will invest a lot of the cuts in other countries giving little benefit to the average american.Nothing wrong with investing in other countries but lets not try to say that will help the american worker.
 
If not Keynesian or supply-side, what kinds of policies do you think would best stimulate a lagging economy?

Obamanomics is our solution. End needless middle east wars. End Bush tax cuts. More Sector regulation so we have no more Housing/Commodity Speculation/Credit *Bubbles*

I would drop the U.S. Corporate Tax rate (the Repubs like to peg this at 35%) to 28% for his first term and see if our big-mouthed belly-aching Corps will "invest" in America with jobs and stop outsourcing jobs and offshoring profits.

The worst Economist ever was Milton Friedman.
 

Facetious

Moderated
Obamanomics is our solution.
Really ? Do I get a guarantee with that ? Are you really . . really that impressionable ?
What's this man's economic track record ?
Oh I forgot, he was a "community organizer" :rolleyes:

From the Illinois state assembly . . to the Senate . . to modern American apologist. How could you atheists actually vote for a christian man ! :thefinger

Answer -> He's NOT a christian !

You know what ? Fuck all this economics stuff ! I have a better idea ! I wanna be just like johnny edwards and become a trial law-yeah so I can attack America's medical establishments. I have the verbal prowess to accomplish anything in the court of law . . It's a win win ! I wouldn't have to worry about any recession, I can wield my way into the hearts and minds of these pathetically ignorant juries, easily convincing them that wex standx on xthe xsidex ofx thex children !
For then I can do as I please ! and clearcut any damned forest that I please !! I am King ! Do as I say . . Not as I do ! :thefinger

Political hypocrites make me vomit ! :pukey:
Particularly the little ambitious ones. :squish:
Yeah, it's just "friendly debate" lol !
 
too bad the thread starter decided to have an unfriendly debate and isn't around anymore to continue this one.
 
Obama's economic track record is more impressive than John "I admit I know nothing about the Economy" McCain.

I'm actually enjoying watching McCain's campaign go up in flames before our eyes, so many months before November and President Obama hasn't even clowned him in a debate yet.

Will the McCain campaign still be a viable option whenever we get to a debate or will he already be 30 pts behind Obama? I guess we're about to witness the first ever "Mercy Debate" in American politics...:1orglaugh:)

Let's see..President Bush flipflopped and decided to talk to Iran, per Obama's request. al-Maliki agreed with Obama's Iraq Occupation Exit Plan. John "I have no clue about the Economy" McCain's Economic Advisor (Phil Gramm) resigned in shame...Shit, how can things possibly GO BETTER FOR President Obama?:thefinger
 
too bad the thread starter decided to have an unfriendly debate and isn't around anymore to continue this one.

Yeah, perhaps we can nominate him for MOTW:dunno: I think it's always fitting to remember *promising* noobs who :Flame: so quickly and spectacularly...:rolleyes:
 

Facetious

Moderated
My econ professors were always fond of using hypothetical situations to explain economic theories so I will do the same.


pkx - Maybe it's a matter of policy that hypotheticals are offered in place of "real world" quarterly reports, for instance. After all, I'm certain that the state run colleges rather their profs not endorse or favor any particular / specific stocks or sectors within the market.

Just a guess :o :dunno:
 
The worst Economist ever was Milton Friedman.
I like Milt ... I don't agree with everything he said but.... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

That was just priceless.

Yet another one of your charming "yank their chains" type post, eh titsrock?

Perhaps your could explain to us dumb idiots with your astute, knowledgeable economic mind as to why Friedman's economic theories were wrong?
 
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