Angeles National Forest Ablaze - 105,000 Acres +

[BDwestcoast]

So then I guess we shouldn't feel sorry the next time an earthquake flattens the Nimitz freeway, killing Lord knows how many, because the bay area, like so cal, is known for earthquakes, yet people insist on living there?

And apparently you missed post 10....there hasn't been a fire in that sector of the Angeles National Forest for 60 years.

The people in that area aren't safe from earthquakes either, and mudslides for that matter. Not to mention we've had water shortages in the Bay Area, so that means its even worse in so cal.
Maybe I'm using flawed logic, but shouldn't the chances of a fire in that area go up, if fires from the previous year burned everything else?

 

[Facetious]

It's hard to feel sorry for people who insist on living in an area that is known to burn to the ground every year.

I wasn't dwelling on the private property losses, that's probably the last thing that I'm concerned with. How about :

√ The human risk involved in fighting these blazes in the air and on the ground ?

√ The expenses involved in combating such blazes at a time when the state is facing bankruptcy

√ The abundance of wildlife that will undoubtedly perish

√ The air pollution exhausted from the fire as well as from the equipment involved in fighting the fire

√ The alkaline enrichment pollution from fire ash combined w/ rain run off > into the streams causes all kinds of havoc to the ecosystem

√ The potential for landslides and flooding to occur during the winter rains in the affected area(s) due to the absence of green vegetation

√ The strain on fire dept resources in California, Nevada, "Arid zona" and any other region or state that has been called upon to act as a strike team to fight such immense fires causes the urban & rural fire depts to run thin on resources to fight fires or may cause extended emergency medical response times in areas where you might live :dunno:

√ Finally, and I'm certain that I missed a few :o
The expenses related to the reforestation of the area affected, that is, if the assholes @ the sierra klub don't file a lawsuit to prevent reforestation.

:wave2:

 

[Petra]

And apparently you missed post 10....there hasn't been a fire in that sector of the Angeles National Forest for 60 years.

And that's why this fire is so bad. The forest needs to burn every so often in order to get rid of the natural and highly flamiable debris...and a lot of forests need to burn in order to renew itself.

However, us stupid humans seem to like to settle in places and disrupt the natural order of things...like putting out all the natural caused forest fires for the past 60 years. Then we like to act all surprised that suddenly there's a monster fire created that is beyond our control. What do people really think is going to happen to all that dried out forest debris that's been allowed to build up all these years?

 

[Facetious]

There used to be a California Conservation Corp that would with regularity groom our forestlands i.e. clear dead dry low hanging branches and asstd sundry dry natural fuel sources off of the ground for removal so that in the event that a fire would somehow ignite the fires wouldn't be so extreme and the wildland firefighters would be able to make better progress when fighting our forest fires.... Then came the sierra club which started out with good intentions (Same as Greenpeace), that is until a gaggle of radical so called environmentalist attorneys essentially tossed out the original founders of these orgs and decided that they would make a cushy living on attorney fees by going around filing frivolous lawsuits against any entity, govt affilliated or otherwise that would dare to manage the forest different than what the sierra klub had deemed to be "correct". The sierra klub had / has essentially put a stop to rational forest maintenance, they've even changed the direction in the way the CCC operates, these two bit pseudo environmentalist pyromaniacs, if only y'all look at their practice objectively, you will find the truth > The sierra klub today is not the same wholesome outfit that it was in the beginning, I can assure you.

For instance, there was a fire about 4 - 5 years ago in the Plumas Natl forest in N.Cal - This particular fire was a fast moving fire that left a forest full of perfectly good standing timber, as only the branches and foliage had burned. Well, It's common knowledge that it's best to get that timber the hell outta there before it becomes infested with the dreadful bark beetle, the forests worst enemy aside of fire itself.
Sooo, A local mill in the area submitted a bid to the U.S. Forest Service (IIRC) to clear the timber and replant new fresh indigenous trees throughout the area wherever they had removed timber....
No Flippin way ! The sierra klub would have none of it .... get it ?


I'm soo done with this for now :1orglaugh

I don't see how the next Governor (hopefully Gavin Newsom) will not HAVE to overhaul the entire state.

OH would you PLEASE ! :ACK: :COUGH:

ukey:

 

[ninetysixcavy]

That's sad stuff, F. I think they need to have more controlled fires to combat this, because it seems darn near every year they are having this problem in your state. I don't know if they can have controlled fires or if that's even possible, but it'd be something that I would think they could use to combat this sort of madness. :dunno:

 

[busenbust]

Approximately 70 sq. miles (and growing) of heavy fueled forestland is burning out of control w/ no apparent containment date in sight. Two firefighters have lost their lives in an attempt to flee the extremities of the heavily fueled high ambient weather temp blaze. Hats off gentlemen. :angels:

Gallery including pics fron downtown L.A. / Story

Abysmal pictures - prayers and everything - and even then you have the beautiful scenic Glendale sunset (4) and the hopeful 'At play again' (10) (beautiful, within context I mean).

 

[Facetious]

We need not burn the forest in order to maintain it. Why needlessly kill the wildlife, pollute the air and stream run off when all we need is 8 to 10 years time, a good conscientious forester and a collection of willing minimum security prison inmates and a conservation corp that would operate much like they did 30 - 40 years ago.......they'll have the forest cleaned up.

I reiterate - the reason why the forest is so crowded with trees and full of dry fuel i.e. dead branches etc. is because the sierra klub essentially demanded that mankind keep his hands off of the forest land "because it isn't natures way".

Sierra klub = 1st class pyromaniacs - IMNSHO

 

[Friday on my mind]

We need not burn the forest in order to maintain it. Why needlessly kill the wildlife, pollute the air and stream run off when all we need is 8 to 10 years time, a good conscientious forester and a collection of willing minimum security prison inmates and a conservation corp that would operate much like they did 30 - 40 years ago.......they'll have the forest cleaned up.

I reiterate - the reason why the forest is so crowded with trees and full of dry fuel i.e. dead branches etc. is because the sierra klub essentially demanded that mankind keep his hands off of the forest land "because it isn't natures way".

Sierra klub = 1st class pyromaniacs - IMNSHO

While I totally am sympathetic to the dilema of people in such areas and the heroics shown by the fire fighters it is true that forest fires are a natural function in nature.I know in places like yellowstone where they always used to go after any at all fires to put them out they no longer do that recognizing that again forests need to burn some times.It gets rid of the dead stuff naturally and the burnt areas comes back soon with all new life strionger than before.It's a natural process that has been going on forever.Man has to somewhat adapt to such things and not always try to eliminate them.Same thing goes on with beach erosion,beach wants to move you better let it.Here in NJ they have tried to fight the beaches moving and in some areas ended up with no beach at all, with now seawalls where beaches once were.

I love those pictures taken by satelitte of the US at night showing all the lights ganged up primarily on the two coasts.We herd together and populate those regions big time and yes I am one of those,but I was born here lol.

People do build (overbuild) in areas they maybe should not ? Lets give tax incentives to move to the mid-west.:eek:

 

[georges]

sad to see this happening.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

Makes me think of this, too:

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[Facetious]

it is true that forest fires are a natural function in nature.I know in places like yellowstone where they always used to go after any at all fires to put them out they no longer do that recognizing that again forests need to burn some times.It gets rid of the dead stuff naturally and the burnt areas .It's a natural process that has been going on forever.Man has to somewhat adapt to such things and not always try to eliminate them

Only relatively lite, low to the ground grass & brush fires can be beneficial in assisting new, better and stronger vegetation to take root, Unfortunately, such mild wild fires only make up for a tiny percentage of the whole. Stick with me now, no one in their right (or left lol !) mind could possibly believe that the following areas of the Angeles National Forest are actually going to "come back'' "stronger" and "quicker" than the original natural vegetation, Have... a ...look... see .

The previous 4 pictures reveal that of a "canyon burnover" as it is known in the firefighting community; the fire was said to have absolutely "Gone Nuclear" due to low daytime relative humidity (below 10% at the time), high outdoor ambient temps (in the high 90s on up to the low 100 degree temps at the time) and finally something that you may find surprising lol ! , the immense quanity of readily available natural vegetation fuels.
...Read about the terrifying drama here when a 30,000 foot tall "fire convection column'' COLLAPSES upon itself. Here is a time progressed video of the very inferno that consumed the basin in the previous 4 pictures.

:flame: :flame: :flame:​

Freaky stuff, huh ?

 

[Facetious]

Note the dark gray plumes shooting upward and then all at once white plumes begin to appear before "the collapse"..


woooooow !

..... and n ..now I think that I just felt an earthquake !
A lite one, mind you, but just he same... :shivers: