Andew Luck or R.G. III?
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RG3 is stastically the Number 3 ranked (QB rating) QB in the league in front of Tom Brady and Drew Brees...Luck isn't even in the top 25...http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/p...sort/quarterbackRating/year/2012/seasontype/2
The Option stuff was put in to maximize RG3's unque talent and intelligence...which is something any smart innovative Coach would do...design the Offense to cater to the strengths of the particular talent of your players.
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RG3 is in good company. It doesn't get any better than Brees, Brady, and Rogers.
BCT
Pucker Up Butter Cup.
Knew RG3 was the better pick. I know its early but so far its not even a comparison really.
Cam Newton is garbage this year. Piss poor attitude and leader. He comes off as uneducated (he is of course) and like the world is out to get him. Griffin will be better than him in the long run AINEC.
RG3 maybe be statistically on their level after 7 games, but I certainly wouldn't put him in their class overall yet, although he is off to a great start...which can be both a curse and a blessing, because on one hand, everybody knows what he is capable of, but one the other hand, now expectations for him are much higher to play consistantly at a certain level.
I think both RG3 and Luck are outstanding talents, and have the potential to be great...I thought that first pre-season game when they faced each other was a great game and set the tone for what we can hopefully expect from them the rest of their career..
I hope they both do great things in their NFL careers because the League is at its best when the amount of top-notch QB's is at it's highest !
John_8581
FreeOnes Lifetime Member
Me? Andrew Luck - however I'm prejudiced, being a Colts fan. 
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Maybe the New York Jets will get him? How I can't stand them! With the fat f*ck loudmouth Head Coach Rex Ryan...
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Maybe the New York Jets will get him? How I can't stand them! With the fat f*ck loudmouth Head Coach Rex Ryan...
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Ace Bandage
The one and only.
Really?
Right now AL12 is #7 in the league in QBR with RG3 right behind him at #8. Luck also has 4 wins on a horseshit team.Looks pretty close to me, Scooter.
According to ESPN, RG3 is ranked #7 and Luck is #29...Not to mention, the slight decrease in RG3's rating was do to his wide recievers having one of the worst games in NFL history by dropping, or flat out missing, 10 accurately thrown passes.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/p...sort/quarterbackRating/year/2012/seasontype/2
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/p...sort/quarterbackRating/year/2012/seasontype/2
Ace Bandage
The one and only.
That's not QBR. There are two different rating systems.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr - Luck #7, RG3 #8
QBR in a nutshell:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6833215/explaining-statistics-total-quarterback-rating
Think of it as Sabermetrics for football.
Thank you for the quote,....Yes I have read the QBR explanation before....I've always preferred the passer rating stats because I find them to be more common sense and straightforward, whereas the TQBR seems to be unnecessarily abstract and obtuse. Alot of the announcers who played football like Troy Aikman have often said that they have no idea how the stat people come up with the QBR numbers.
This is especially subjective to me:
The Total Quarterback Rating is a statistical measure that incorporates the contexts and details of those throws and what they mean for wins. It's built from the team level down to the quarterback, where we understand first what each play means to the team, then give credit to the quarterback for what happened on that play based on what he contributed.
They don't ask the player's what "each play meant" to them, instead, it's a totally unrelated statistician who probably never even played football deciding the signifigance of each proffesional QB's throws.
But you are technically correct that Andrew Luck does have a 1 point higher QBR than RG3, but RG3's passer rating is 21 points higher than Luck's....I live in the DC area so naturally I'm going to go with RG3, but I might go with Luck if I was a Colts fan, such as yourself. I think they both have promising careers ahead of them, especially if they get surrounded by better talent.
Ace Bandage
The one and only.
To each his own. I prefer QBR because it incorporates all aspects of the position, takes into account performance in pressure situations, and attempts to articulate how many points and wins the QB is responsible for. Just like I also prefer runs created, OPS, and OBP to more traditional offensive statistical analyses in baseball.
I'm a stats nerd though so that's why I tend to favor QBR. I'm also naturally going to be more of a fan of Luck than RG3. I do think that long term, Luck has more of an upside. The Redskins need to figure out how to protect RG3 and keep him upright. He's not big enough to be running all over the place and taking hits. I also think teams are going to figure him out eventually. He'll be more successful than Newton, but I think Luck will have the better career.
I'm a stats nerd though so that's why I tend to favor QBR. I'm also naturally going to be more of a fan of Luck than RG3. I do think that long term, Luck has more of an upside. The Redskins need to figure out how to protect RG3 and keep him upright. He's not big enough to be running all over the place and taking hits. I also think teams are going to figure him out eventually. He'll be more successful than Newton, but I think Luck will have the better career.
I don't think teams will ever figure out RG3 because he's not a one-trick pony...he has the athleticism, but yet he's a remarkably accurate passer, as indicated by his superior passer rating....then on top of all that, he is extremely intelligent, so he makes good decisions when making his reads...RG3's biggest problem is that he is playing with a bunch of bums that expect to loose...so when that 3rd and eight comes up...he's hitting the guy between the numbers, but they don't expect it to be there so they drop it, let it go thru their hands, sometimes even hit them in the face...
If guys want to win, the ball will be there for them...they just gotta catch it and stop trying to find ways to loose. RG3 has already made signifigant adjustments to how and when he runs, and he's not taking the big hits like he was on some of his fakes and runs...also true he is slight of build, but so is Eli Manning, and we see what he's been able to do...
Both Both Luck and RG3 are intelligent and accurate throwers,,,but the difference is RG3's world class athleticism...Luck is very good for a rookie, but I think RG3 is a top ten talent in the league OVERALL...He is the real Deal.
BCT
Pucker Up Butter Cup.
Really?
Looks pretty close to me, Scooter.
I won't lie, its looking like Luck is doing better in the win department so far, they really should be 5-2. RG3 will be better statistically but given that he doesn't have the best team around him right now Luck will right the ship quicker in Indy. Good post Andronicus
GibbsGrad2002
Mr. Nice gallery
I think both of them will have great careers hopefully neither one of them gets injured in their career
alexpnz
Lord Dipstick
Luck also has many more weapons at his disposal than RG III does as. It is hard to judge a quarterback just off of his ability alone. I said the same thing about Jay Cutler last year. I always thought he was a good qb, but it was hard to tell that when his face was in the dirt 18 times a game last year.
Ace Bandage
The one and only.
Really? Reggie Wayne constitutes many more weapons? The fuck else does he have?
T.Y. Hilton, Donnie Avery, Vick Ballard, Coby Fleener, Dwayne Allen, LaVon Brazil, and Donald Brown aren't exactly elite players.
He has history with Fleener and name me 5 teams that would turn down Reggie Wayne? At least he has a receiver he can depend on and a tight end in which he has rapport with. I would much rather be in Luck's shoes than RG III's. Something is better than nothing. To have Reggie Wayne or Santana Moss? Hmmmm, Potential Hall of Famer or some overrated speedster that has a long bout with the dropsies? That is a no brainer.
Little Red Wagon Repairman
MFOMBSoPGA
Yep