And then..

[Mayhem]

Haha! What are you trying to say about my fellow St. Louis compatriots?

I lived in Chesterfield for 3 years and in the city for 3 more, back in the '80s. I lived between Kingshighway and Grand. I was glad to leave but don't have any hard feelings toward the place. I've watched Ken Burns: Baseball a couple of times and one of the commentators, somewhere in there says, "St. Louis is arguably the most baseball-friendly city in the country", to which I always reply, "Yer damn right they are."

 

[Briana Lee]

How is that a babe link? C'mon, man!

Haha! I can't believe that!

I lived in Chesterfield for 3 years and in the city for 3 more, back in the '80s. I lived between Kingshighway and Grand. I was glad to leave but don't have any hard feelings toward the place. I've watched Ken Burns: Baseball a couple of times and one of the commentators, somewhere in there says, "St. Louis is arguably the most baseball-friendly city in the country", to which I always reply, "Yer damn right they are."

That is totally right! You should have been here for the World Series celebrations!!

 

[assari]

Liberals are open minded people who strive for equality, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of choice. Conservatives typically oppose those ideas.

Some of them are open minded people, but some of them behaving like nazis.

 

[Johan]

there were none.

This was the story of Sam's brain cells

 

[Harley Spencer]

See for yourself, how absolutely wrong you are.

http://www.slate.com/authors.ron_rosenbaum.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Rosenbaum

http://www.harpercollins.com/authors/14045/Ron_Rosenbaum/index.aspx

http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/08/ron-rosenbaum-gets-his-irish-up-about-ra

Ok. Everything you posted, aside from the wiki article, are opinion pieces.

Are people now calling republicans liberal and democrats conservative? How backwards are people now? Democrats are typically more liberal (I am a democrat), whereas republicans are typically conservative assholes. Now, of course there can be liberal republicans and conservative democrats, but generally, democrats are much more liberal than conservative. The main thing dems are conservative about is being conservative on the idea of freedom. Which is about being liberal.

Definition of liberal: Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

Definition of conservative: Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion.

Given this information, along with general knowledge about the subject, the article is a bunch of silly bullshit. Seeing as liberals are pro-choice, pro-change, pro-freedom, it is both stupid and unlikely that liberals are racist and that liberals dislike dark meat because they associate it with dark skin. To put it simply, it's idiotic. For white meat animals, like chicken, I do prefer white meat (breast) vs. dark meat (legs and such) because dark meat is slimy and I don't like slimy textures. However, I much prefer to eat steak, burgers and bacon.

And Bob, no I didn't change the subject. Sam posted an article regarding liberals being racist for eating white meat. I commented on it. That's on topic.

 

[Death-Proof-69]

there were none.

 

[bobjustbob]

Okay, you commented on Sam's silly turkey thing. You also made some pretty bold statements about Conservatives. My definition? Leave me the hell alone. Let me conduct my life my own way as long as It doesn't harm anyone. Don't tell me what I should eat. Don't tell me what to teach my kids. Don't tell me how much money I should make or how I should spend it. Let people say whatever words come out of their mouths. Everyone should be responsible for their own situations. There are many ways to rise above. Help people that are in need, you may come into the same situation as them and may need help along the line. Keep a good home and don't waste stuff. Shovel out the old couple that lives across the street from you when it snows. Knock on your neighbor's door occasionally and ask them if they need anything from the store.

My defination of a Liberal? You know one when you see one. They define themselves.

 

[Briana Lee]

Ok. Everything you posted, aside from the wiki article, are opinion pieces.

Are people now calling republicans liberal and democrats conservative? How backwards are people now? Democrats are typically more liberal (I am a democrat), whereas republicans are typically conservative assholes. Now, of course there can be liberal republicans and conservative democrats, but generally, democrats are much more liberal than conservative. The main thing dems are conservative about is being conservative on the idea of freedom. Which is about being liberal.

Definition of liberal: Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

Definition of conservative: Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion.

Given this information, along with general knowledge about the subject, the article is a bunch of silly bullshit. Seeing as liberals are pro-choice, pro-change, pro-freedom, it is both stupid and unlikely that liberals are racist and that liberals dislike dark meat because they associate it with dark skin. To put it simply, it's idiotic. For white meat animals, like chicken, I do prefer white meat (breast) vs. dark meat (legs and such) because dark meat is slimy and I don't like slimy textures. However, I much prefer to eat steak, burgers and bacon.

And Bob, no I didn't change the subject. Sam posted an article regarding liberals being racist for eating white meat. I commented on it. That's on topic.

Okay, you commented on Sam's silly turkey thing. You also made some pretty bold statements about Conservatives. My definition? Leave me the hell alone. Let me conduct my life my own way as long as It doesn't harm anyone. Don't tell me what I should eat. Don't tell me what to teach my kids. Don't tell me how much money I should make or how I should spend it. Let people say whatever words come out of their mouths. Everyone should be responsible for their own situations. There are many ways to rise above. Help people that are in need, you may come into the same situation as them and may need help along the line. Keep a good home and don't waste stuff. Shovel out the old couple that lives across the street from you when it snows. Knock on your neighbor's door occasionally and ask them if they need anything from the store.

My defination of a Liberal? You know one when you see one. They define themselves.

Guys....you do realise this is exactly what the troll king wanted right?

 

[Rey C.]

Harley, you have just changed the subject. Sam's piece was nothing but a silly thing he found that was amusing. Your stated views of the differences between Liberals and Conservatives is complete bunk from first word to last. I can pick apart each one of your accusations but to save space I will pick just one for now.

Freedom of speech? Political correctness was born in the left. Censureship on all points emerge from there. You want to shut down conservative talk and television. It was Al and his wife Tipper Gore that launched congressional hearings to put lables on music. Video games have ratings now. That came from the left.

It's not fair to make blanket statements about any group or stereotype, as there will always be members of any group which don't meet the stereotype. Right or wrong? As for political correctness being born on the left, the term politically correct was born on the left, as far as I know. I remember it popping up in the 80's when I was I school. But as it's really just another way of saying what is or is not socially acceptable, no, that concept was not born on the left, nor did it just appear in the 1980's. Just off the top of my head, I can think of many examples that go back much further than the 80's and many of those examples were born on the right or among religious and social conservatives.

Okay, you commented on Sam's silly turkey thing. You also made some pretty bold statements about Conservatives. My definition? Leave me the hell alone. Let me conduct my life my own way as long as It doesn't harm anyone. Don't tell me what I should eat. Don't tell me what to teach my kids. Don't tell me how much money I should make or how I should spend it. Let people say whatever words come out of their mouths. Everyone should be responsible for their own situations. There are many ways to rise above. Help people that are in need, you may come into the same situation as them and may need help along the line. Keep a good home and don't waste stuff. Shovel out the old couple that lives across the street from you when it snows. Knock on your neighbor's door occasionally and ask them if they need anything from the store.

My defination of a Liberal? You know one when you see one. They define themselves.

Hmm, well... except that your definition of a conservative is really the definition of a libertarian.

I live in a dark red area of a purple state. And believe you me, my local conservatives are anything but people who mind their own business or follow the live & let live mantra. But they're not all the same. Neither are all the liberal people that I know.

As for Sam's turkey thing... I didn't read it. As with 99% of what he posts, I figured it was just something stupid that might cause my IQ to drop 6 points. And if I read it at least 10 times, I'd soon be down to his level.

 

[bobjustbob]

There is no shortage of of people trying to force their values upon us all. But when I look at soccer games that keep no score, schools that won't allow red and green cupcakes during the holiday season, no red marks on graded papers for students, it like regulating hurt feelings. This stuff goes on and on and on and it comes from the Left. Let's not forget all of those things shoved down our throats,"For the good of the people." It wasn't the Right that forced condom inspections and soda police.

 

[ApolloBalboa]

There is no shortage of of people trying to force their values upon us all. But when I look at soccer games that keep no score, schools that won't allow red and green cupcakes during the holiday season, no red marks on graded papers for students, it like regulating hurt feelings. This stuff goes on and on and on and it comes from the Left. Let's not forget all of those things shoved down our throats,"For the good of the people." It wasn't the Right that forced condom inspections and soda police.

I agree with what you're saying, but I don't necessarily know if it came from the left anymore than it came from the right. People are just yuppie fucks nowadays who can't bear to let their kids learn that life isn't always fair early on. When I was in elementary school and a kid's parent brought cake in for his birthday and one kid was allergic to the red dye #842.15, that kid missed out on sweets, tough luck for him. Parents now need to be sent a list of every kid's allergies, dependencies, phobias, social problems, height, weight, body fat percentage, and so much other useless information that it eventually leads to tap water and carrot sticks for parties in school.

Again, I can't say that one side is any more to blame than the other for the "everybody's a winner" culture we live in now, but I think the situation is plain ridiculous either way.

 

[Harley Spencer]

It's not fair to make blanket statements about any group or stereotype, as there will always be members of any group which don't meet the stereotype. Right or wrong? As for political correctness being born on the left, the term politically correct was born on the left, as far as I know. I remember it popping up in the 80's when I was I school. But as it's really just another way of saying what is or is not socially acceptable, no, that concept was not born on the left, nor did it just appear in the 1980's. Just off the top of my head, I can think of many examples that go back much further than the 80's and many of those examples were born on the right or among religious and social conservatives.



Hmm, well... except that your definition of a conservative is really the definition of a libertarian.

I live in a dark red area of a purple state. And believe you me, my local conservatives are anything but people who mind their own business or follow the live & let live mantra. But they're not all the same. Neither are all the liberal people that I know.

As for Sam's turkey thing... I didn't read it. As with 99% of what he posts, I figured it was just something stupid that might cause my IQ to drop 6 points. And if I read it at least 10 times, I'd soon be down to his level.

Exactly. Like I said, are people getting their definitions of liberals and conservatives backward? The definitions I posted weren't some opinion that I pulled out of my ass, they are actual definitions that you will find in a dictionary.

Every conservative I can think of is a total asshole. Yeah, it's bold of me to say that, but it's the truth.

Case 1: "I like Obama but the only thing I hate about him is that he supports abortion. He's not getting my vote." Hmm... incorrect, he doesn't suppor abortion, he supports women's right to choose. His reasoning: "If I got a girl pregnant and she came to me and said she doesn't want to keep it because she just got drunk and isn't ready for a baby, I'd be pissed and make her keep it." Wow. Just wow.

Case 2: "The ****** won! Get your ammo!"

Case 3: Everyone in my family/step family who is conservative is either religious and looks down on anyone who doesn't follow God, or...

Case 4: A total racist prick. Take my grandmother for example. Hates gays, hates blacks. When she became aware that people tell me I look like Angelina Jolie, she said, "Ew! She is hideous! She has disgusting ****** lips!" Ohh... really? That's nice. And in case 2, that was my stepdad when Obama won the first election.

I could go on and on about this forever, but case in point, conservatives are typically anti-choice, anti-freedom, anti-abortion, anti-gays, etc. Every conservative I've ever known has discriminated against me for the way I look, has made asshole remarks about other peoples' choices and lives and appearances, has acted like I'm satan's spawn when I disagree with their religion, no matter how respectful I am about it, pushes their beliefs and opinions on me, and overall tries to put me down with insults, negativity, and condescending bullshit.

Yeah, you'll know a liberal when you see them. They're the ones at gay pride parades, they're the ones who have the carefree attitude that other people enjoy being around. You'll also know a conservative when you see one. They're the ones lecturing crowds about sex before marriage, age differences between couples, same sex relationships, women murdering babies (i.e. abortion), bitching about smokers, bitching about marijuana, bitching about drugs, preaching about God, criticizing tattoos and piercings, and treating customer service employees like worthless pieces of shit. They're not too hard to spot.

My intention here wasn't to be a bitch, but it just completely befuddles me that anyone in their right mind could mix up who liberals are vs. who conservatives are.

 

[bobjustbob]

Harley, you read my posts and know that I am a Conservative. Am I a total asshole? No two people in this world agree on everything. Some less so than others. That's okay. But for some reason it seems like people who think differently from you are the Boggie Man. Is it that you don't want to look like you may have some Conservative positions?

 

[assari]

How to identify them.

Liberal; A person who does not tolerate other people's opinions

Conservative; A person who understands the opinions of others, but do not want to have sex

*sarcasm*

 

[Harley Spencer]

Harley, you read my posts and know that I am a Conservative. Am I a total asshole? No two people in this world agree on everything. Some less so than others. That's okay. But for some reason it seems like people who think differently from you are the Boggie Man. Is it that you don't want to look like you may have some Conservative positions?

I am speaking generally in my posts. If I recall correctly, I did use the words "generally" and "typically" here and there. I also stated that there are of course exceptions. I said there are conservative democrats and liberal republicans, but most democrats are liberal and most republicans are conservatives. And I'm right.

No, it's not that I don't want to look like I have conservative view points. I think it may be the other way around. You're calling yourself conservative, but your description for a conservative is actually the description of a liberal. Perhaps it's you who doesn't want to admit that you have liberal positions.

In fact I don't know that I have any conservative positions at all. I practice what I preach. I am open minded, I am pro-choice. I believe that women reserve the right to choose whether they'd get an abortion or not. I support gay rights. I support teens making their own decisions when it's time to graduate high school and decide what they'd like to do with their lives, rather than their parents deciding for them. I support the idea of choosing your own spouse rather than being set up by your parents. Personally, I would never get an abortion. If anything, I'd put the child up for adoption if I truly felt that I couldn't care for my child. However, I do not force my opinion on that down everyone else's throats, which is what conservatives typically do. If another woman wants an abortion, fine. Personally, I am not gay, but I enjoy dabbling in same sex intimacy on occasion, and I support the right of gay marriage. Personally, I don't like killing animals, I have never gone hunting, but if someone else wants to go hunting, fine. Personally, I do not own a gun and I see no need for one, but if someone else wants to own a gun, go for it. Personally, I do not follow a religion, but if someone else wants to go to church every Sunday and pray before every meal, have at it. Just don't try to convert me. Personally, I have tattoos, but I don't look down on other people who don't have tattoos.

Like I said, I don't believe in God. But I do know a lot about the religion. I grew up in a family of religious conservatives who forced me to attend church every Sunday, go to church camp in the summer, pray before meals, sing christian songs in the car, etc. What is God's greatest gift to mankind? The answer is free will. So what are you doing when you're dictating what people may and may not choose to do? Taking away their free will.

The differences between conservatives and liberals are evident. Look them up online, go to your local library, hell, go to your local old folks home and have a chit chat about controversial topics. It seems to me that you're getting your idea of conservative and liberal mixed up. A conservative, essentially, is someone who holds their beliefs and opinions and whether or not others agree with those beliefs and opinions, wishes to have nationwide policies that reflect those stances. A liberal, essentially, is someone who holds their beliefs and opinions and whether or not others agree with those beliefs and opinions, supports policies that reflect peoples' rights to make their own choices.

I am a liberal democrat. You sound like a bit of a liberal republican. But you could also be a conservative democrat.

As I said before, and I'll say it again, there are exceptions to some conservatives and liberals. But generally, everything I've stated is true for the two sides.

 

[xfire]

 

[Rey C.]

There is no shortage of of people trying to force their values upon us all. But when I look at soccer games that keep no score, schools that won't allow red and green cupcakes during the holiday season, no red marks on graded papers for students, it like regulating hurt feelings. This stuff goes on and on and on and it comes from the Left. Let's not forget all of those things shoved down our throats,"For the good of the people." It wasn't the Right that forced condom inspections and soda police.

No, and it wasn't the left that forced all the kids (Jews, Muslims and atheists alike) to sing Christmas songs when I was in elementary school. I'm in agreement with you, Bob, that the things that you have mentioned have weakened and harmed our society. And yes, many of those things did come from people on the left side of the political spectrum, though I assume that not all people on the left agree with all of them - just as I assume that you wouldn't agree with forcing people of different religions to take part in the traditions of one particular religion. As a child, I remember being told by a local pastor that if I didn't "get saved", by being baptized in his church, that I couldn't go to Heaven. I asked what happens to Jews or people who didn't live in America, who wouldn't have the opportunity to get saved in his church. He said they couldn't go to Heaven. That was the same church where I went to Bible camp and we were told that God punished the Jews for going astray by unleashing Hitler on them. Now, that was a long time ago. But I promise you, among social/religious conservatives, these beliefs still exist. A (seemingly nice) fellow who I used to work with in 2008 commented that he had a tough decision to make for the election: God wouldn't want him to vote for a Black man, but he also wouldn't want him to vote for a woman VP. He was/is a pastor at a local evangelical church. And he was quite serious. He really believed these things and that's what he preached in his church.

Like I said, I grew up in the Bible Belt south. And I well remember that there was a hard line that was not to be crossed in matters of race, religion and sexuality. Though that line was not referred to as "political correctness" back then (the term didn't exist), that is exactly what it was - and that hard line was maintained by social and religious conservatives. What's the saying? A rose by any other name...

On most/many social matters, I also consider myself to be as libertarian as possible. I tend not to agree with extremists on either side of the political spectrum on most social topics.

 

[bobjustbob]

It would be easy for any of us to start citing legislation from the far Left and Right to try and defend our positions. I'm not going to go there unless challenged. The point of the matter is that we as a people can make things better for ourselves without being told what to do. Human beings are problem solvers on their own. Some of our ideas and solutions will come from the extreme. That's not a bad thing. A chance to redirect and solve the problems. Politically, many programs have been shifted by the parties that created them. Both extreme sides will want to call it a flip-flop but that just isn't the case. Sometimes the shit we push through just doesn't work. When I say we and us I am talking about both sides of the aisle.

Holly, if you want to think that all that is righteous comes from the left then go live in that world. As you continue to have an interest and participate in politics, you will learn that neither side has a strangle hold of ideas or solutions.

 

[Harley Spencer]

It would be easy for any of us to start citing legislation from the far Left and Right to try and defend our positions. I'm not going to go there unless challenged. The point of the matter is that we as a people can make things better for ourselves without being told what to do. Human beings are problem solvers on their own. Some of our ideas and solutions will come from the extreme. That's not a bad thing. A chance to redirect and solve the problems. Politically, many programs have been shifted by the parties that created them. Both extreme sides will want to call it a flip-flop but that just isn't the case. Sometimes the shit we push through just doesn't work. When I say we and us I am talking about both sides of the aisle.

Holly, if you want to think that all that is righteous comes from the left then go live in that world. As you continue to have an interest and participate in politics, you will learn that neither side has a strangle hold of ideas or solutions.

My name isn't Holly.

 

[Rey C.]

Surely he knew that.

And don't call me Shirley.