Al-Qaeda-linked force captures Fallujah ? That ain't good.

meesterperfect

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...baeb2a-74aa-11e3-8def-a33011492df2_print.html

So it was all for nothing or what?
Jeez.

BEIRUT — A rejuvenated al-Qaeda-affiliated force asserted control over the western Iraqi city of Fallujah on Friday, raising its flag over government buildings and declaring an Islamic state in one of the most crucial areas that U.S. troops fought to pacify before withdrawing from Iraq two years ago.

The capture of Fallujah came amid an explosion of violence across the western desert province of Anbar in which local tribes, Iraqi security forces and al-Qaeda-affiliated militants have been fighting one another for days in a confusingly chaotic three-way war.

Elsewhere in the province, local tribal militias claimed they were gaining ground against the al-Qaeda militants who surged into urban areas from their desert strongholds this week after clashes erupted between local residents and the Iraqi security forces.

In Fallujah, where Marines fought the bloodiest battle of the Iraq war in 2004, the militants appeared to have the upper hand, underscoring the extent to which the Iraqi security forces have struggled to sustain the gains made by U.S. troops before they withdrew in December 2011.

The upheaval also affirmed the soaring capabilities of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the rebranded version of the al-Qaeda in Iraq organization that was formed a decade ago to confront U.S. troops and expanded into Syria last year while escalating its activities in Iraq. Roughly a third of the 4,486 U.S. troops killed in Iraq died in Anbar trying to defeat al-Qaeda in Iraq, nearly 100 of them in the November 2004 battle for control of Fallujah, the site of America’s bloodiest confrontation since the Vietnam War.

Events Friday suggested the fight may have been in vain.

“At the moment, there is no presence of the Iraqi state in Fallujah,” said a local journalist who asked not to be named because he fears for his safety. “The police and the army have abandoned the city, al-Qaeda has taken down all the Iraqi flags and burned them, and it has raised its own flag on all the buildings.”

At Friday prayers , held outdoors and attended by thousands of people, a masked ISIS fighter took the podium and addressed the crowd, declaring the establishment of an “Islamic emirate” in Fallujah and promising to help residents fight the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his Iranian allies.

“We don’t want to hurt you. We don’t want to take any of your possessions,” the man told the crowd, according to the journalist, who attended the prayers. “We want you to reopen the schools and institutions and return to your normal lives.”

The extent of the militants’ control over the city was unclear, however. Some local tribes were challenging their presence, and there were scattered firefights, according to another Fallujah resident who also did not want to be named because he is afraid. The Iraqi army fired shells into Fallujah from bases outside the city, killing at least 17 people, and most residents spent the day hiding indoors, he said.

In the provincial capital, Ramadi, tribal fighters have succeeded in ejecting al-Qaeda loyalists, according to Ahmed Abu Risha, a tribal leader who fought alongside U.S. troops against al-Qaeda in Iraq following the “surge” of U.S. troops in 2007.

The tribesmen are cooperating with Iraqi police, Abu Risha said, and are receiving weapons and support from the Iraqi army. Among those killed in the fighting was Abu Abdul Rahman al-Baghdadi, the emir, or leader, of ISIS in Ramadi.

“All the tribes of Anbar are fighting against al-Qaeda,” he said. “We are happy this fight is taking place. We will confront them face to face, and we will win this battle.”

But it was unclear whether all the tribal fighters battling the al-Qaeda-affiliated militants were doing so in alliance with the Iraqi government. The current violence evolved from a year-long, largely peaceful Sunni revolt against Maliki’s Shiite-dominated government that drew inspiration from the Arab Spring demonstrations elsewhere in the region. But it was rooted in the sectarian disputes left unresolved when U.S. troops withdrew and inflamed by the escalating conflict in neighboring Syria.

Those disputes include the exclusion of Sunnis from important decision-making positions in government and abuses committed against Sunnis in Iraq’s notoriously inequitable judicial system.

When Maliki dispatched the Iraqi army to quell a protest in Ramadi this week, local tribes fought back. Maliki ordered the troops to withdraw, creating an opportunity for al-Qaeda fighters to surge into towns from their desert strongholds and triggering battles across the province.

Though some tribes have turned against the al-Qaeda-affiliated militants, others have not, said Kirk Sowell, a political risk analyst based in the Jordanian capital, Amman, who edits the newsletter Inside Iraqi Politics.

“Basically, no one is in control,” he said. “The situation was really horrible anyway, and the operation against Ramadi made it worse.”

A group representing the tribal fighters, calling itself the Military Council of the Anbar Rebels, posted a video on YouTube in which masked men declared their opposition to Maliki’s government but made no mention of al-Qaeda. The fighters called on local members of the Iraqi security forces to desert, hand over their weapons “and remember always that they are the sons of Iraq, not slaves of Maliki.”

Whether or how the Iraqi security forces will be able to regain the initiative is unclear. ISIS fighters have steadily asserted their control over the province’s desert regions for months, buoyed by their consolidation of control over territory just across the border in Syria. They are more disciplined and better armed than the tribal fighters drawn into the fray over the past week, and the Iraqi security forces lack the equipment and technology that enabled U.S. troops to suppress the al-Qaeda challenge.

In the past year, al-Qaeda has bounced back, launching a vicious campaign of bombings that killed more than 8,000 people in 2013, according to the United Nations. Sectarian tensions between Iraq’s Sunnis and the Shiite-led government have been further inflamed by the war in Syria, where the majority Sunni population has been engaged in a nearly three-year-old struggle to dislodge President Bashar al-Assad, a member of the Shiite Alawite minority.

Al-Qaeda’s ascendant influence in Syria has given the militants control over the desert territories spanning both sides of the *Iraqi-Syrian border, enabling them to readily transfer weapons and fighters between the arenas.

In Syria on Friday, there were demonstrations in several rebel-held towns against ISIS’s presence, and in at least one town ISIS fighters opened fire on protesters, echoing the suppression of anti-government demonstrations by Syria’s government in the early days of the revolt. Clashes also erupted between the al-Qaeda-affiliated fighters and Islamist fighters from the newly formed Islamist Front in the rebel-held north, in a sign of growing tensions between Syrians and foreign-influenced extremists.

Most residents of Fallujah do not support the al-Qaeda fighters, the journalist there said, but they also lack the means to oppose them, and they also oppose the Iraqi government.

“It is sad, because we are going back to the days of the past,” he said. “Everyone is remembering the battles of 2004 when the Marines came in, and now we are revisiting history.”
 

Mayhem

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It was always for nothing. And I supported the invasion back then. It was always for nothing.

At least now, not one American was killed in the manufacture of this fiasco.
 
I'm sure the 95 US boys killed in Fallujah in 2004 are glad to see that they died for nothing.
 
What in the holy fuck did we think was going to happen? The Iraqi security force was going to keep Al'Qaeda out of Fallujah entirely?

Can you imagine how supremely shitty it would be to live there? Man, my heart goes out to those folks who, due to financial or familial circumstances are bound to that city.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Same thing will happen when (if) we finally leave Afghanistan. Sad....so many lives lost for nothing.
 
These folks were allowed to reappear in Al Anbar province because the Shiite controlled Iraqi government is not sharing the country's wealth to the Sunni majority Al Anbar's liking.

This area faired better, but not great, under Hussein. They are used to being in control of Shiites, not impoverished or kept out of government.

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Same thing will happen when (if) we finally leave Afghanistan. Sad....so many lives lost for nothing.


Iraq? Yes. Lost for nothing in Afghanistan? I'm not so sure. Our next few wars will be fought with drones and other robots.
 
I'm sure a few well placed drones would sort them out ;)

This. But we don't have a Status of Forces agreement with Iraq so they are on their own.

You can say that the battle of Fallujah was all for nothing, but consider all the jihadists who were killed during that battle who won't be wearing the latest bomb vest chic on London buses. Yeah, there's plenty to replace them but you know what? It's NEVER a bad thing to kill one of these fundamentalist-koran-thumpers whenever we can. Remember, they want you subjucated or dead, infidel.

Also, Musab al-Zarqawi, who was responsible for hundreds of bombings, kidnappings and beheadings (remember Nick Berg?) was flushed out of Fallujah during our invasion and was later tracked down and killed courtesy of terminal guidance. So all in all it wasn't a total loss.
 

feller469

Moving to a trailer in Fife, AL.
I love how the media still refers to this as a "war." this is no war and never has been. this is all about protecting our oil interests in the area and keeping them out of the hands of the Chinese. The military bases we had in Western Europe as a deterrent to communist aggression are now being shifted to this god-awful part of the world. If this is a war, what are the objectives? If the enemy will not fight according to the Geneva Convention codes, why should our soldiers? This is about to become a religious war, despite the US involvement primarily being financial.
 
The invasion of Iraq was crap, always was crap, and only become crappier.

We also stayed far too long in afghanistan should have left after we shot all the Al-Qaeda we could catch let them creep back into the light and shoot, bomb, poison and whole new bunch.

This 'country' has been an abysmal pile of shit for 4000 years and it was just flat stupid to poor money into it.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Our next few wars will be fought with drones and other robots.

Only if our next war doesn't take place until Amazon is delivering packages house-by-house, using those fantasy drones that Jeff Bezos mentioned when he took the media talking airheads on a snipe hunt a few weeks back.


As for Iraq... say folks, how much of a problem was Al Qaeda in Iraq before the fake patriot neocons, Zionist GOPers and the slow-witted Democrats followed Bush/Cheney into war? None? OK, that's what I thought. Just checking. But still, what with ol' Saddam being such a terrible, evil, awful, devil-worshiping, bad man (heard he was just like some dude named Hitler? :dunno:), good thing we got rid of him and filled Iraq with democracy, apple pie, truth, justice and the American way. You simply cannot put a price on those things. Course, the Chinese didn't mind putting a price on those things (the money they loaned us to go on this fishing expedition). The last estimate I saw, which included the direct costs, amortized interest costs through 2050, care of returning/disabled vets and various complementary costs, stood at $6 trillion.

I liked G.W. Bush better when he was spending his money on liquor, whores, baseball and drugs. I reckon he weren't such a bad dude back then.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
The invasion of Iraq was crap, always was crap, and only become crappier.

We also stayed far too long in afghanistan should have left after we shot all the Al-Qaeda we could catch let them creep back into the light and shoot, bomb, poison and whole new bunch.

This 'country' has been an abysmal pile of shit for 4000 years and it was just flat stupid to poor money into it.

^^^Hells yeah!

We need a fist-pump smilie on here!
 

Red XXX

Official Checked Star Member
"a war begun for no wise purpose, carried on with a strange mixture of rashness and timidity, brought to a close after suffering and disaster, without much glory attached either to the government which directed, or the great body of troops which waged it. Not one benefit, political or military, was acquired with this war. Our eventual evacuation of the country resembled the retreat of an army defeated” This was written by G.R. Gleig chaplain to the British Army during our first Afgan war ..... in 1842 ..... we never seem to learn!
 
The invasion of Iraq was crap, always was crap, and only become crappier.

We also stayed far too long in afghanistan should have left after we shot all the Al-Qaeda we could catch let them creep back into the light and shoot, bomb, poison and whole new bunch.

This 'country' has been an abysmal pile of shit for 4000 years and it was just flat stupid to poor money into it.

We shot a bunch of Al Qaeda in 2001 and 2002, but OBL and a lot of the leadership still lived.

I think people are forgetting that in order to develop the intelligence networks and gain access for our teams to kill Al Qaeda operatives over the years, we've had to develop alliances with people most of whom were already vulnerable to attacks by the Taliban BEFORE 9/11.


The U.S. and Britain have developed a reputation for leaving their allies and agents high and dry.
 
I'm sure a few well placed drones would sort them out ;)
Agreed; let's send Mariah Carey CDs
Same thing will happen when (if) we finally leave Afghanistan. Sad....so many lives lost for nothing.
Not really; we got some good books out of the conflict.
These folks were allowed to reappear in Al Anbar province because the Shiite controlled Iraqi government is not sharing the country's wealth to the Sunni majority Al Anbar's liking.

This area faired better, but not great, under Hussein. They are used to being in control of Shiites, not impoverished or kept out of government.

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Iraq? Yes. Lost for nothing in Afghanistan? I'm not so sure. Our next few wars will be fought with drones and other robots.
Did you just advocate sharing the wealth?
And what are the chances that our next war will be fought against robots? Skynet exists now.
"a war begun for no wise purpose, carried on with a strange mixture of rashness and timidity, brought to a close after suffering and disaster, without much glory attached either to the government which directed, or the great body of troops which waged it. Not one benefit, political or military, was acquired with this war. Our eventual evacuation of the country resembled the retreat of an army defeated” This was written by G.R. Gleig chaplain to the British Army during our first Afgan war ..... in 1842 ..... we never seem to learn!
That's because you Brits live in the past.
 
We shot a bunch of Al Qaeda in 2001 and 2002, but OBL and a lot of the leadership still lived.

I think people are forgetting that in order to develop the intelligence networks and gain access for our teams to kill Al Qaeda operatives over the years, we've had to develop alliances with people most of whom were already vulnerable to attacks by the Taliban BEFORE 9/11.


The U.S. and Britain have developed a reputation for leaving their allies and agents high and dry.

We committed resources that should have been in Afghanistan destroying Al-Qaeda into the debacle that was Iraq thus limiting our capabilities where it was needed and in turn locking us into Afghanistan far longer than was necessary.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Yep, he nailed it! :thumbsup:
 
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