911 caller in Gates' arrest says she never referred to race

Yeah it was a non story, but the press had to try to make another "evil whitey keepin the black man down" story out of it.
But thats expected, but sadly accepted and even more sadly believed.

When the President without knowing the facts (even though he did) took the "evil white man" side, that was a story.
It shows once again his mentality. I mean he can't keep up the act at every moment.

Well you'd better get with BioDefenseGrad because he's of the impression it was a stealthy "conservative" inquisitor who deftly blindsided the POTUS with the question.

Even as such, when did Obama use the words, "evil", "white" or "man" in concert with one another?

How could Obama know the facts as you presume absent hearing the side of the police, seeing the police report or hearing statements from witnesses??

Another faulty presumption by "meester..." I presume??

I'm still waiting though for you to enlighten us as to what we're missing behind the "smokescreens"...:wave2:
 
Well you'd better get with BioDefenseGrad because he's of the impression it was a stealthy "conservative" inquisitor who deftly blindsided the POTUS with the question.

Even as such, when did Obama use the words, "evil", "white" or "man" in concert with one another?

How could Obama know the facts as you presume absent hearing the side of the police, seeing the police report or hearing statements from witnesses??

Another faulty presumption by "meester..." I presume??

I'm still waiting though for you to enlighten us as to what we're missing behind the "smokescreens"...:wave2:

We ain't missing much I think.Seems like Health care reform is stuck, not surprisingly.Just ask Hillary how powerfull those interest groups in favor of the out of control cost wise system we currently have are.
 
Well you'd better get with BioDefenseGrad because he's of the impression it was a stealthy "conservative" inquisitor who deftly blindsided the POTUS with the question.

Even as such, when did Obama use the words, "evil", "white" or "man" in concert with one another?

How could Obama know the facts as you presume absent hearing the side of the police, seeing the police report or hearing statements from witnesses??

Another faulty presumption by "meester..." I presume??

I'm still waiting though for you to enlighten us as to what we're missing behind the "smokescreens"...:wave2:

I didn't say it was or it wasn't, I was merely entertaining the notion that someone else on this thread brought up. If you want to look at what many conservatives are saying, it was a "softball" question that Lynn Sweet gave to Obama and he inexplicably screwed the pooch.
 
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Jane Burgess

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Police officer Crowley lied, lied and lied in the police report.

Officer Crowley wrote on the report he spoke to the woman before he approached Professor Gates and entered the house. The woman never spoke to Officer Crowley.

It is a lie !

Officer lied, lied and lied and wrote whatever fit to protect themselves from illegal , bully tactics !!:nanner::rolleyes: :fight:



How do you know? Were you there on the scene? That lady has been taking flack online for being a racist. She may have very well talked to officer Crowley and now is lying so people will leave her alone. Personally I think Gates acted like a dumbass and if anyone is a liar and racist it is him. :2 cents:
 
I didn't say it was or it wasn't, I was merely entertaining the notion that someone else on this thread brought up. If you want to look at what many conservatives are saying, it was a "softball" question that Lynn Sweet gave to Obama and he inexplicably screwed the pooch.

I merely entertained the notion that you were suggesting so you two could compare cards so to speak.

How do you know? Were you there on the scene? That lady has been taking flack online for being a racist. She may have very well talked to officer Crowley and now is lying so people will leave her alone. Personally I think Gates acted like a dumbass and if anyone is a liar and racist it is him. :2 cents:

Well, it would seem to me a person who'd just arrived home by plane from China to find himself locked out having to break into their own home would likely already be in an agitated state. Gates sounds like a drama queen to begin with so that probably doesn't help. He's said he can't believe any American would be treated the way he was.

What suggests he's a racist to you?
 
I merely entertained the notion that you were suggesting so you two could compare cards so to speak.



Well, it would seem to me a person who'd just arrived home by plane from China to find himself locked out having to break into their own home would likely already be in an agitated state. Gates sounds like a drama queen to begin with so that probably doesn't help. He's said he can't believe any American would be treated the way he was.

What suggests he's a racist to you?

It could be the other things he said in his past, that illuminated his questionable comments to the Police Officer. Sometimes racist people suspect racism where none is intended, like a thief or a liar who suspects others are cheating them. As in, he was projecting his own racism onto the police officer.

You should google up his Yale acceptance letter (written when he was just 18, but in combination) and his 1996 'racist white institutions' speech. Mr. Gates was certainly preoccupied with race, heck he made a comfortable living out of it. I think he may have "issues" with White people, but his 2006 documentary on tracing the genetic roots of African Americans makes me think he's not a "cut and dry" racist. Perhaps he grew tired of it all and is a "post-racist" individual. He certainly seemed overwhelmed by all the different emotions he felt when he learned he was the descendant of a VERY important 4th century Irish warlord.

It turns out that Crowley is also a descendant of him too. Seeing that Gates looks like the Black version of my Dad, I think I'll get tested too:1orglaugh
 
It could be the other things he said in his past, that illuminated his questionable comments to the Police Officer. Sometimes racist people suspect racism where none is intended, like a thief or a liar who suspects others are cheating them. As in, he was projecting his own racism onto the police officer.

You should google up his Yale acceptance letter (written when he was just 18, but in combination) and his 1996 'racist white institutions' speech. Mr. Gates was certainly preoccupied with race, heck he made a comfortable living out of it. I think he may have "issues" with White people, but his 2006 documentary on tracing the genetic roots of African Americans makes me think he's not a "cut and dry" racist. Perhaps he grew tired of it all and is a "post-racist" individual. He certainly seemed overwhelmed by all the different emotions he felt when he learned he was the descendant of a VERY important 4th century Irish warlord.

It turns out that Crowley is also a descendant of him too. Seeing that Gates looks like the Black version of my Dad, I think I'll get tested too:1orglaugh

So he's an activist it seems.
 

Jane Burgess

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I merely entertained the notion that you were suggesting so you two could compare cards so to speak.



Well, it would seem to me a person who'd just arrived home by plane from China to find himself locked out having to break into their own home would likely already be in an agitated state. Gates sounds like a drama queen to begin with so that probably doesn't help. He's said he can't believe any American would be treated the way he was.

What suggests he's a racist to you?



The fact that he put this on his Harvard application "As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."


http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20090726_A_scholar_in_the_fray__Henry_Louis_Gates_Jr_.html
 
The fact that he put this on his Harvard application "As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."


http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20090726_A_scholar_in_the_fray__Henry_Louis_Gates_Jr_.html

His 1996 speech also pisses many people off. It's hard to peg down Gates, seeing that this stuff was 30 something years ago and 13 years ago. I saw his special in 2006 and he didn't really strike me as racist per se, more of as a guy who's made a living writing about racism and guilting white liberals, who's just grown tired of talking about racism. It's kind of funny how this incident blew up in his face, the officer Crowley thing is Karma I guess. Of all the Police that he had to have a confrontation with, it's that guy.
 
From his attitude and comments, I think it's logical to say that Gates was, and is, a "racist."

I feel sorry for the man.
 
From his attitude and comments, I think it's logical to say that Gates was, and is, a "racist."

I feel sorry for the man.


It's weird that he is though. He looks JUST like my dad, but with a tan and tighter curls in his hair. He's also a descendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages---like my Dad.

Makes me wonder if Gates is related to me...He is related to Crowley too!!

It's really strange when people go diggin through someone's lineage. Like when we found out that Obama and Cheney are cousins, and Bush and John Kerry are related too.
 
Bob Herbert as usual speaks truths many in the white community wish to not see or acknowledge.

This constant refrain of reverse racism(racism is one group being able to discriminate systematically against another) also gets kinda old.When all those stats Herbert sites are reversed then maybe it would be plauisible to make such a charge.

Constant refrain of reverse racism? Yes it's getting very old. I'm sure you must be tearing your hair out when you hear African Americans talk about racism as well. Not many people are talking about the issue of class in this case. Mr. Gates is an elitist jerk who just as well might have beaten Crowley with his cane for being "insolent."
 
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Bob Herbert as usual speaks truths many in the white community wish to not see or acknowledge.

This constant refrain of reverse racism(racism is one group being able to discriminate systematically against another) also gets kinda old.When all those stats Herbert sites are reversed then maybe it would be plauisible to make such a charge.

I've read Herbert's piece 3 times and I see no "truth to power" being spoken.
In fact, it's quite weak in comparison to some of the other articles defending Gates.

What I see in this is a member of the Black Liberal Elite doing a "what went wrong" report. He's thinking, hold on a minute, all the conditions were in order, but the outcome was all wrong! This is supposed to happen to men like us.

Also, how does he know that the officer had an attitude? He said himself he hasn't spoken to Gates for the article. When confronted with a problem with a police officer...chill. That's something that parents teach their children very early on in life. I'm surprised Gates didn't know it, or the reporter. Cooperate with the officer and file a report later. Be an ass, and through disorderly conduct impede the officer in fulfilling his duties, and this happens.

Mr. Gates should be the one to apologize, but his ego is so large that he is still saying 'I hope America learns something from this.' Why Crowley would even consider meeting with Gates again is beyond me, perhaps it's to fully repair his professional reputation. Gates needs Crowley more.
 
Constant refrain of reverse racism? Yes it's getting very old. I'm sure you must be tearing your hair out when you hear African Americans talk about racism as well. Not many people are talking about the issue of class in this case. Mr. Gates is an elitist jerk who just as well might have beaten Crowley with his cane for being "insolent."

Wrong. Plenty has been written about this from a class perspective. One of the first things I read about it was from another black college prof saying that Gates was falsely lumping himself in with black men from the projects, and was forgetting that he was, at least to some extent, part of an elite. It's an interesting argument, with a kernel of truth in it. But that argument - whether it's spoken by a black or white person - fails on two fronts. First, police officers are ALSO part of an elite, and have considerable authority that they can wield with considerable leeway, if not, in some cases, outright impunity. Crowley could arrest Gates, not vice-versa. Crowley could have tased or even shot Gates (Crowley surely had Gates, with his cane, outgunned) and his word would have been given considerable credit, the benefit of the doubt goes to the police officer, writing the report, regardless of how honest that officer may or may not be. Secondly, it is surely not just people from the upper-class elites who might resent or even be quite aggravated by an officer attempting to arrest them in their own home, on their own property, simply for being mouthy or raising their voice, when NO CRIME had been committed. Even Crowley's report doesn't make it sound as though Gates was being physically threatening at any point. People of all socioeconomic classes can get pissy if/when a cop starts complicating their lives.


I've read Herbert's piece 3 times and I see no "truth to power" being spoken.
In fact, it's quite weak in comparison to some of the other articles defending Gates.

What I see in this is a member of the Black Liberal Elite doing a "what went wrong" report. He's thinking, hold on a minute, all the conditions were in order, but the outcome was all wrong! This is supposed to happen to men like us.


I presume you meant to write "isn't" there?

Also, how does he know that the officer had an attitude? He said himself he hasn't spoken to Gates for the article. When confronted with a problem with a police officer...chill. That's something that parents teach their children very early on in life. I'm surprised Gates didn't know it, or the reporter. Cooperate with the officer and file a report later. Be an ass, and through disorderly conduct impede the officer in fulfilling his duties, and this happens.

Mr. Gates should be the one to apologize, but his ego is so large that he is still saying 'I hope America learns something from this.' Why Crowley would even consider meeting with Gates again is beyond me, perhaps it's to fully repair his professional reputation. Gates needs Crowley more.

If the officer had actually arrested Gates on a valid charge, for a legitimate reason, this would go to court. The facts speak for themselves. The charge was dropped. Gates had committed no crime, yet was arrested and hauled away... because his front door was stuck. We can easily surmise that the officer had an attitude because he insisted on arresting Gates even after Gates had shown that he was in fact in his own home and, thus, no crime had occurred. A professional officer, one not hell-bent on highlighting his authority just to flaunt his power, might have said "Very well then, I'll be on my way" upon learning that there was no crime to stop or investigate, and ignored Gates's ranting altogether. Once the officer determined that there was no crime, his duties were fulfilled. Making it personal (the race issue can really be put aside) was where he went wrong, arresting him just to show him who's the Big Bad Boss.

"When confronted with a problem with a police officer...chill."

And you don't have to be black to know that "chill(ing)" doesn't necessarily prevent an officer from being a royal prick. And if the officer is about to engage in false arrest, why should anyone, of any color, just "chill"?? Verbal protests strike me as entirely defensible, both morally and legally.

Would you have offered the same advice to Civil Rights protesters during the '50s and '60s, being beaten back by the cops? "Yo, why don't you people just chill, and do what the officers tell you to do?"

"When confronted with a problem with a police officer...chill. That's something that parents teach their children very early on in life."

Such attitudes and home-schooling are always a blessing in a totalitarian regime.
 
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